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Straw Kennedy
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7219
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:34 pm: | 
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USA TODAY was wrong. Bellsouth never released call records.. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1769
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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BellSouth had multiple opportunities to weigh in on the story before it ran, but didn't. |
Straw Kennedy
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7222
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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"There has been much speculation in the last several days about the role that BellSouth may have played in efforts by the National Security Agency (NSA) and other governmental agencies to keep our nation safe.
As a result of media reports that BellSouth provided massive amounts of customer calling information under a contract with the NSA, the Company conducted an internal review to determine the facts. Based on our review to date, we have confirmed no such contract exists and we have not provided bulk customer calling records to the NSA."
story no longer has merit.
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Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2024
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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So let me get this straight: An article has an error in it, so throw out the whole article. Nothing in it could be valuable anymore.
Genius thinking there. The whole NSA issue is actually NO LONGER AN ISSUE. You are all safe now. Go back to bed little sheep. The ALWAYS GREAT AND SUPER-INTELLIGENT STRAW has alerted us that this is a non-issue. I feel so much better now. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4918
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:31 pm: |
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This only addresses one carrier, but what about ours -- Verizon?
But wait a minute; just a few days ago you felt that it was vitally important to our safety that BellSouth et al cooperate. Now you're saying everything's OK because they never did.
Can you clarify your actual position on this for us? |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 440
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:20 pm: |
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So Bell South needed to conduct an internal review to determine whether or not they were doing this? Huh?
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notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3274
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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I can see it now...
"Attention all BellSouth employees, please report to conference room 12 immediately. Okay... now that you're all here, we would just like to ask anybody who has turned over call logs for all of our customers over the NSA to raise their hand. Anybody? No? Okay, okay, that's fine. Back to your desks, folks." |
Straw Kennedy
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7223
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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obviously. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2902
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:14 pm: |
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There's always a position and a fallback position:
There would be nothing wrong with it, but it never happened.
It would be ok to out Plame, but no one did. If they did, she deserved it.
Don't be squeamish - torture is ok, but we don't use it.
The CIA didn't look hard enough for threats in Iraq, the CIA gave Bush bad info about Iraq posing a threat.
What the president does is legal, what is legal is always what the president does.
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Straw Kennedy
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7224
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:17 pm: |
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Seems like every time you libs report "facts" to discredit the President, those facts are wrong.
Dan Rather lost his job over it, now this..
Man, you libs just don't get it. Never have, never will.
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dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1774
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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Straw seems to think that the NSA did not compile phone records of private citizens. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3138
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:23 pm: |
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If I say squares and circles are rectangles, the fact that circles are not rectangles does not mean squares are not.
If I say Verizon and BellSouth provided the NSA with call information, and BellSouth did not, that does not mean Verizon did not. And it does not mean that it was right for Verizon to do it (or for the NSA to ask for it). |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4922
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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What about Verizon? What about AT&T? I haven't heard any denials from them.
Again, what's your position:
a) turning over the records was essential for national security
b) not turning over the records was the right thing to do and it was silly to think it had ever happened
c) whatever Karl says (today)
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Mustt_mustt
Citizen
Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 568
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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Listen to this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-hipp/im-so-loathsome-i-could-_b_21033.html |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5620
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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Verizon denies giving out phone info
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/16/news/companies/verizon/index.htm?cnn=yes
Possibly a Pulitzer Prize-winning story??? Nah...even if true, it doesn't tear down a republican. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 470
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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Seems to me they should be going through people's garbage too.
If so, have you confirmed that your refuse is treated confidentially by your wastehauler? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3147
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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Once your refuse has left your home, it is in the public domain.
Are you sure they're not going through your trash?  |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3279
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 9:17 am: |
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Odd that Verizon would take so long to deny that they gave out info, or that they were even asked for it by the government.
Don't worry, Straw, they're probably lying. And if not, perhaps some other ways in which our privacy and rights are being eroded will come to light and cheer you up. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1776
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 9:21 am: |
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cjc's right. The media never go after Democrats. Clinton hardly ever generated headlines in his eight years. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3280
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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Clinton who? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3151
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:00 pm: |
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I'm curious... with all the phone companies saying they didn't cooperate, where did the NSA get all these phone call data? Perhaps the phone companies computer systems are not the only source of this information. And just because they didn't cooperate doesn't mean the NSA didn't get it from them <cue music from 24 or James Bond> |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5622
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:06 pm: |
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dave23 -- the point was Pulitzer Prizes. There's no question the media can be dragged into covering a story they don't want to. The Swift Boat Vets come to mind. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2101
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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Quote:New Presidential Memorandum Permits Intelligence Director To Authorize Telcos To Lie Without Violating Securities Law
In recent days, AT&T, Bell South and Verizon have all issued statements denying that they’ve handed over phone records to the NSA, as reported by USA today.
There are three possibilities:
1) The USA Today story is inaccurate;
2) The telcos left enough wiggle room in the statements that both the USA Today story and their statements are accurate; or
3) The statements from the telcos are inaccurate.
Ordinarily, a company that conceals their transactions and activities from the public would violate securities law. But an presidential memorandum signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))
There is no evidence that this executive order has been used by John Negroponte with respect to the telcos. Of course, if it was used, we wouldn’t know about it.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/17/new-executive-order/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060509-1.html
http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34Act/sec13.html |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1779
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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cjc,
You're funny. "Don't want to do?" The media loved the swift boating nonsense and they had a field day with Clinton. Remember that it was the NY Times that was the main impetus behind Whitewater. Perhaps the name Lewinsky rings a bell? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5623
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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Media was late to Swift Boats (as was Kerry's non-reaction). Those ads were playing for weeks if not months before the media reported on it. Who won the Pulitzer prize for Whitewater and over 12 convictions from that case? Who won the Pulitzer for Lewinsky?
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Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5399
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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Quote:Who won the Pulitzer for Lewinsky?
Maureen Dowd, in 1999. You can read those columns (from throughout 1998) at this link. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3286
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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But an presidential memorandum signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))
Oh for cryin' out loud... Doc, tell me you're joking. Please. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2103
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 4:50 pm: |
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I wish. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
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Why would a phone company admit to violating federal statute? And open themselves up to 100's of billions of dollars of liability.
I hate to dump on my fellow DEMS & Libs. But really people.
DO bank robbers rob a bank, and then put out a press release saying they robbed the bank.
$1,000 per infraction. DO the friggin math. You plead guilty to a parking ticket. Not this.
Has OJ yet to say he did do it? Boring Libs. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1390
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:25 am: |
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Put a fork in this thread its DONE
"Ordinarily, a company that conceals their transactions and activities from the public would violate securities law. But an executive order signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))"
Straw man, waz up? |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 9:40 am: |
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cjc,
The fact that the media covered it all undermines your allegation. It was a pot of lies (that should have been the story) and the mainstream media's coverage gave them "legitimacy". |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1782
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 9:45 am: |
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Verizon's "denial" was decidedly twisted and legalistic. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14341
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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Agreed. Their statement said that they don't provide unfettered access to their records. How nice. So they provided "fettered" access. I.e. they charged for them. Wow, now I feel better!  |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1394
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 8:49 pm: |
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Read this please
"Ordinarily, a company that conceals their transactions and activities from the public would violate securities law. But an executive order signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))"
See the date: May 5th, When did the USA Today story come out? Can you intellectual DEMs put 2 & 2 together. |
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