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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1371
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:53 pm: | 
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http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/pentstrike3.gif |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4930
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:47 pm: |
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Wait a minute. Something is strange here. Let me see if I can put these two side by side:
Look at the top one. Notice how when the first flash of the explosion is visible, you can see the entire back half of the airplane, and in the frame before the entire plane is visible.
Look at the bottom one. At the same point, no airplane at all is visible. I thought that maybe they were on different timers or exposures, but if you look closely at the frame-by-frame silhouette of the explosion it's identical in both. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11531
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 4:45 am: |
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The second set of photod are obviously doctored. Note that where the plane appears in the first series there is a light area that would be indicative of someone using a photo editing program to eliminate the plane from the photos.
However, I am sure the the true conspiracy buff will say just the opposite and claim that the right area is a cruise missle and the first set was doctored by inserting the Boeing. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4932
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 7:25 am: |
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every place that is showing the "new" video, it looks like the bottom one. This is the only place I've seen the actual plane. |
newone
Citizen
Username: Newone
Post Number: 376
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 8:05 am: |
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I remember seeing a "doctored" CNN tape of the second plane hitting the south tower. There was a "missile" added to the footage that streaked past - however, there was no smoke trail and by the direction the "missile" was flying in, it would have hit the building I was in. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11535
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 8:33 am: |
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I take back my earlier remarks which I made, as is often the case, before the coffee kicked in.
The first video is a slow motion (for lack of a better term) version of the second video. If you look at the actual explosion this is pretty clear. Also, now that the old eyes are working, I think I can see an airplane tail at the beginning of the second video. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4933
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 9:10 am: |
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The first is slow motion, but it's the same frames as in the second. Look for the small pieces of debris flying out to the right in frames 3/4; Look at the T-shaped piece of debris just above the roof line at the far left of the last frame. Also, at the first white flash of the explosion, look at the rectangular structure that is silhouetted, and how it masks the explosion in the next few frames. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4934
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 11:13 am: |
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The one with the plane is fake. The Pentagon's version doesn't show it, nor does Judicial Watch. Here are the two frames that purportedly show the planes, somewhat enlarged. Note the crappy silho of the nose in the first, the misplaced wing in the second, and how this cheap camera managed to freeze a plane going 600mph.
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themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2906
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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What's the source of this stuff? What was the original framerate? How was it turned into video files? This was an object doing 500 mph.
In the top, the plane appears to move about 25 feet from frame to frame. If it was travelling 500 mph, that's 733 feet per second, so 25 feet would be a frame rate of 29.3, which is actually just about right. Seems legit.
You can't pull off a hoax on this scale. And if they did, they would have more clearly pinned it on Saddam, and maybe killed Osama, too.
The bottom version is pretty fast to make any assessment about by just looking. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3288
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Whatever is whizzing by in the bottom version seems too small to be a 757, but it is VERY blurry.
I can't think of a more likely target for do-it-yourself conspiracy manufacturers than the 9/11 video footage that is out there. It will be very hard to know what is legit out there. (Especially when you can't be sure if the authorities are completely trustworthy.) |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1373
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 8:52 pm: |
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IIRC, The DOD video is 1 frame per second. The Video with the AA 757 is faked by a friend, though the proportions (height of 757 tail & top of Pentagon) are close. The bottom video is from the 5 frames released 4+ years ago.
In the offical video, there is no 757. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1374
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 9:03 pm: |
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Heres the full video from the DOD- 3+ minutes:
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html
scroll down to the flt 77 video number 2.
At the DOD link, that , stop the video at second 24, and jump it to second 25.
There is an obect, a plane like object. I dont think a 757 leaves a white trail of exhaust. In front of the exhaust is a triangle shaped object, kinda like the rudder of a plane. The "rudder" of the plane is at the horizon, and can be seen against the sky. It is clear in the 24th second of the video.
If that is the rudder of the plane in the video, then the rest of the obect is very dark, if not black colored. Wasnt flight 77 an American Airlines 757? Since when do they paint their 757s dark grey or black?
There is no 757 sized object in the offical video. The fake 757 video makes the point. A 757 is nearly as tall as the roof of the Pentagon.
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1377
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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Here is the first Pentagon video:
http://pserver.mii.instacontent.net/defense/flight77/fl77-1_11094135.WMV
Here are some screen grabs:
 
Was there supposed to be a AA 757 in the picture? Maybe something the size of a 757? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1378
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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This will make the size relationship clear.
From:
http://news.uns.purdue.edu |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1379
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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This will make the size relationship clear.
From:
http://news.uns.purdue.edu |
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