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The Soulful Mr T
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 6:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

{from AlGore.org}

"An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's Groundbreaking Book on Global Warming, Goes on Sale Wednesday, May 24th

Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore's book "An Inconvenient Truth," ($21.95; trade paperback) which features the latest intelligence and authoritative research from top scientists around the world, as well as facts, charts and graphs that explain the devastating causes and implications of global warming, goes on sale Wednesday, May 24th, across the country. The book, which received a positive review in the May 23rd issue of the New York Times, has generated a tremendous amount of media attention.

Mr. Gore will appear on The Today Show in an interview with Katie Couric Wednesday morning, May 24, and will be interviewed by Tom Brokaw on NBC
Nightly News in the evening.

On Thursday, May 25, he will appear at Town Hall in New York City.

Mr. Gore will be interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR's "Fresh Air" on Tuesday, May 30, and will appear on CBS' The Early Show with Harry Smith on Wednesday, May 31.

Mr. Gore will appear on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on Thursday, June 8, and on The View on Monday, June 19.

He will appear on The Late Show with David Letterman on Friday, June 23.

In addition, Mr. Gore will make at least a dozen more major national appearances to promote the book. He is slated for book-signings in New York, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Nashville, Houston, Vancouver, and other major cities.

In anticipation of high demand for the book, Rodale has already shipped more than 100,000 copies to stores. This book has been certified carbon neutral by Native Energy.

For more information go to www.nativeenergy.com
(link:http://www.nativeenergy.com/)
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Straw Kennedy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 7:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sadly, a very important topic and film will be discredited due to Gore's participation. Gore isn't taken seriously by most Americans anymore. Plus, many are going to see this as a vehicle for soft money contributions to Al's 08 run.

Most Republicans want Al to run since it will force Hillary to slide left, which as we know is a killer for any Presidential candidate today.

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llama
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 7:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sadly, is our President "taken seriously" anymore except by morons???
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Straw Kennedy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 7:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Llama,

Please don't post on this thread. It's going to be an interesting topic and you're not capable of adding anything of substance to the conversation.
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The Soulful Mr T
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 7:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

(Sorry to keep pasting bits from the NY Times, I know it's a singular and left-leaning perspective but I think these writers are so clever and articulate - and - I AGREE WITH THEM! Please someone post a responsible OpEd from another pub. I'm all ears.)

Enter Ozone Woman

By MAUREEN DOWD, Published: May 24, 2006
WASHINGTON

Al Gore must want to punch Hillary Clinton right through the hole in the ozone layer.

At the National Press Club here yesterday, the New York senator finally took a passionate stand. After giving a courteous nod to her old rival Al as "a committed visionary on global warming," she purloined his issue and his revolution, going his Earth Tones in the Balance one better by wearing a blinding yellow pantsuit that looked as if it could provide solar power to all of Tennessee.

Apologizing for, while really wallowing in, her "wonkish speech," Hillary waxed rhapsodic about "unlocking the full potential of cellulosic ethanol" and getting "the low-sulfur diesel rule fully implemented." She droned on numbingly about carbon dioxide sequestration, biomass liquid fuel bases, "feebate" tax incentives, hybrid plug-ins, flex-fueled vehicles, continuous reheat furnaces, renewable portfolio standards, Danish wind power, Brazilian ethanol and Kyoto greenhouse targets. (And you thought she was incomprehensible on health care.)

She got so far down in the weeds — or switch grass — that she advised her listeners about weatherizing their homes and checking their tires to save fuel. "At every gas station," she chirped, "there ought to be a little sign which says, 'Have you checked to see if your tires are inflated to the right pressure?' "

She made it clear who's in power and who's in Cannes when she ostentatiously promised to take her motorcade back to Capitol Hill and introduce legislation for a strategic energy fund to jolt inert government and insatiable Big Oil into action.

Her timing is cunning. This is supposed to be Ozone Man's moment in the sun. His movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," opens today, buoyed by such raves that his supporters believe his green crusade could net him both a gold statuette and a white house.

He's being hailed as the new Comeback Kid, as New York magazine calls him, a passionate pedant. (Better than a compassionate conservative.)

Shaken by the Asian tsunami, Katrina, gas prices and a literally explosive Middle East, many Americans now see the environment and conservation as the scintillating, life-and-death subjects that Al Gore has always presented them as, rather than the domain of cartoonish sandal-wearing, tree-hugging, New Age-y, antibusiness wackos.

As John Heilemann notes in New York, the Gore boomlet is also driven by "the creeping sense of foreboding about the prospect of Hillary Clinton's march to her party's nomination." Hollywood's top environmental campaigner, Laurie David, a producer on the Gore movie, argued, "It's not time to experiment with trying to put in office the first female president or with somebody people feel is such a polarizing figure."

Some Democrats are secretly compiling data to prove that Hillary is unelectable to derail the notion that she's inevitable. Gore loyalists suggest that they could be co-front-runners — a couple of raccoons in a bag.

The two hall monitors have always bumped against each other, first competing to be Bill Clinton's co-president, and then over Democratic money in the 2000 election.

So we are left with the prospect of a race between these two Democrats (Al, a popularly elected president; Hillary, a co-ruler). Neither was president, but both think they have been. Al's a seeker and Hillary's a triangulator (or you might say she's inflating her tires to the right pressure). They have shared the problem of stiff, situational personae, when they seemed to wake up every morning trying to figure out who they should be, how they should appear or how they should position themselves. By fashioning their identities all the time, they condemned themselves to being seen merely as identity fashioners.

Hillary is keeping Bill at a distance so he doesn't overshadow her, contradict her, embarrass her or hurt her attempt to pander to the right. But Al, who says he and Bill have made up and are now brotherly, may want to embrace the Big Dog this time, realizing the cost of muzzling him in 2000 (and the cost of taking hired guns' advice to soft-peddle the environment).

Since Hillary and Bill often rendezvous to watch "Grey's Anatomy" on Sunday nights, that's a good time for her to soak up his unmatched political smarts.

But as someone in Bill's circle wryly told Mr. Heilemann, the boy can't help himself: "You can see him talking to Hillary one minute, then ducking into his study to take Gore's call and advise him on how to beat her."

What a contest: two ersatz ex-presidents vying for the support of a real one.

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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

do we need any more evidence why people don't take Gore seriously? when you get crap like that written about him in the NY Times, you don't have a chance. Dowd helped Bush get elected in 2000 by writing a ton of stories about Gore that made him an object of ridicule. who cares that most of what she was writing was untrue? Dowd loves being the cleverest person in the room, and it was just so easy to be clever when she was tearing down Gore with phony stories about earth tones and Naomi Wolf. and now she's at it again. she should be ashamed of herself. but I'm sure she's not. she's probably quite satisfied with her awesome cleverness.

The Democrats have no chance in '08 unless they can stand up to this nonsense on allegedly "liberal" op-ed pages.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While I am trying to locate it, I just read a review on Gore's movie on the train ride this morning. They gave it one star, claiming the movie was less about GW and more about how Al Gore is the almighty savior of the planet and human race.

Surprise, surprise....

And I agree with Straw, llama...if you are going to attempt to steer every conversation to an anti-bush rant then please spare us...

ok, you don't like him...get over it already....

-SLK
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a dumb -- and abjectly partisan -- reason for giving the movie 1 star. The movie is about Gore's efforts to bring an important issue the attention and response that it warrants. That issue is global warming, but the movie is about Gore. They ought to give themselves 1 star for awareness.

I will never understand why people get so much apparent joy out of beating up on Al Gore. The guy is brilliant, dedicated, and as hard-working as they come. Perhaps he makes his critics realize that they themselves are so unhelpful and so meaningless compared to him that they resent him for it. Dowd, Tierney, and others achieve little more in their lives than providing a few moments of distraction for commuters by jotting down some snide remarks about people. Nice life. Meanwhile, Gore is dedicated to humanity, and is also making a TON of money with his green funds and various side gigs.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen Gore's presentation. Not a single person there (and some of them are not "libs") had anything but praise for it. He's not at all "wooden." He's passionate, engaging, even funny sometimes. and obviously knows his stuff. it is beyond appalling that journalists continue to beat up on this guy, when he's trying to do something important. maybe there's a spot in hell for them. or Bermuda if the earth keeps getting hotter.
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Straw Kennedy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look the film may or may not have merit. I've read some who've said it's brilliant to others who say it's just Al Gore's way to make some noise like a kid saying "look at me Mom!"

Anyway, I think a film like this would be better served if it included let's say people like Bill Clinton and McCain. Gore's participation is a distraction.

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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Frankly, he's gotten so many great reviews and so much good press related to the movie and his environmental work that I think Republicans and any other '08 prez candidates (like Hillary) are starting to be scared.

Gore looks like a paragon of integrity next to most of our politicians..... especially the current administration. It's nice to see him so successful, passionate, and (reportedly) happy.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just by the reaction and threat it seems to be to those with closed minds like Strawbury, I bet it probably is a great book and film and I am very much interested in seeing them.

Strawberry,

Don't post on this thread any more because your opinion is not valued in case you didn't realize it by now.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

llama, you have no business saying that.

As far as closed minds go, the pot is calling the kettle black.

Strawberry is welcome to post as often and wherever he likes. It's called freedom of speech.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look.
Go see the film. It is nothing like Michael Moore's film. It is science. It is a documentary put together from the presentation Gore has been making regarding the subject.
Straw, your abject partisanship aside, why does the fact that it is a Gore project make it worthless? I suppose in the same way that Dubbya's presence in the WH makes the US less credible.
This is not a political issue. It is a scientific and, to a degree, a moral issue. It is, an inconvenient truth. And no matter what your politics you will learn something you didn't know before.

And Chris, while I am not a defender of Llama very often, Straw said the same thing to Llama that you chastize Llama for saying to Straw. It was a childish rebuttal. Playground junk. They are both free to post
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris, I agree with Llama.

The reason why is because of Straw's earlier post where he said:

Quote:

Llama,

Please don't post on this thread. It's going to be an interesting topic and you're not capable of adding anything of substance to the conversation.


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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mjh-

I am hoping Gore does run and win in 2008. I wouldn't mind being a basher instead of being the bashed! :-)

llama, the one that has unkind words for all things to the right of his politics is calling someone else close-minded? Go figure.

I steer clear of self declared "openminded" individuals because if you stick around long enough you will find out they are in fact not.

-SLK

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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SLK, you can change from being "bashed" to being a "basher" today. All you have to do is forsake the evil emperor. In the end, even Darth Vader came back over to the side of good.
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Straw Kennedy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

First off,

I'd like to apologize to Chris for comments made on another thread. He obviously cares as do I about the situation in Iraq and since we have different opinions we clashed, rather than discussed. I respect Chris.

Secondly,
As we see this thread has turned into a situation where we have a handful of posters more interested in attacking me, than they do discussing the film. Al Gore has the same issue. There are plenty of folks already discussing Al's particpation in the film, rather than the film's message. Al distracts since the millions who've already dismissed him won't listen. As I said, someone such as McCain, Bubba Clinton, even Colin Powell for instance would serve a film like this much more so than Gore.

All that said, I happen to believe global warming is a serious concern. I'm not sure there is much frankly we can do about it without seriously overhauling our need for oil. I also believe the day we seriously address the global warming issue is the day the American economy suffers as a result. So, if it's President Gore or President Giuliani or President Hillary, that President will be short lived. America will not re-elect a President who winds up tanking an economy while costing America jobs.


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Straw, first off let me say I appreciate your serious posts on this thread.

You're right about tanking the economy, at least if we do it that way. But we're going to have to overhaul our need for oil anyway in the next few decades. It's a finite resource, and many experts think we're near or at the "peak" of discovery and production. It's going to run out, and well before it runs out it is going to become prohibitively expensive. Don't forget too that we do more with oil than burn it. Oil and its byproducts go into paving roads, manufacturing plastics and fabrics, and a lot of other things; for all of these we are going to have to find substitutes or pay through the nose. That in and of itself is enough to murder our economy.

They say we have enough coal for a few hundred years, but I don't think those calculations take into account the fact that we'd need to use it in place of oil.

The downfall of our economy has been widely predicted every time new environmental regulations are put into place, but it hasn't happened yet.

We need a big push to develop efficient and reliable energy sources and start bringing them on line right now. Neither solar, wind, tide, nuclear (which BTW is non-renewable) will likely be enough alone, but in combination we must find a way to make them work.

There's a lot more we can do to improve fuel efficiency that hasn't been done yet. Lightweight composites can be used instead of steel and are even stronger, aluminum can be used instead of cast iron. This stuff is more expensive now, but that will change once the usual industrial economies of scale get a chance to kick in.
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Look at that the Emporor himself is trying to lure Chris over to the dark side.

Help us Chris Prenovost, you're our only hope.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Quote:

While I am trying to locate it, I just read a review on Gore's movie on the train ride this morning. They gave it one star, claiming the movie was less about GW and more about how Al Gore is the almighty savior of the planet and human race.




gee, I wonder how hard it would be to "locate" that review. you know, I took a wild guess, and thought about it for 5 or 10 seconds, and had a revelation. I think I "located" it:

http://www.nypost.com/movies/66485.htm
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 1:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That shouldn't surprise me. What other piece of trash "news" would he read?
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On Wednesday, May 24, in select theaters in New York and LA, a film by Davis Guggenheim about Al Gore’s global warming slide-show will open. I have seen the slide-show. It is — by far — the most extraordinary lecture I have ever seen anyone give about anything. And I’ve now seen the film, An Inconvenient Truth, twice.

I will rarely ask favors of those who read here. But this is one. No issue is as important. I doubt you will ever see an argument as compelling. And though this is a beautiful and pasisonate film, it is, in the end, an argument that gets built upon the ethic that guides at least some conversation in places like this — facts, reason and a bit of persuasion.

I push for you see this because of the peculiar economics of theaters. Unlike blog posts, that are equally as available always, whether or not this film gets seen is a function of what happens in the next four weeks. If many see it, then many more will have the opportunity. So if there is a time to see it, it is early and often.

You’ll see me credited at the end. I gave some advice re fair use (you can’t believe the insanity filmmakers live with). And some might notice that Guggenheim is on the board of Creative Commons. But none of that is behind this recommendation: Even if you want to reject the argument, understand it first. This is a perfect opportunity to understand it.


Larry Lessig (wow)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 2:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We can decide for ourselves.

Here is a video file of Al Gore's presentation(as I found it in thewatt.com) (this is not the movie):

Movie - right click and "Save as": Download here(.asf video file, 233MB, 1:20hr)
Audio - Download here (.mp3 audio file, 29MB, 1:11hr)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 2:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Mr T, for the Dowd column. Jeez, she's never gentle, is she?

To my eyes, I think she damned Hillary more than Gore, but I'm not sure if she meant to. Hillary is looking worse and worse in my eyes, which isn't saying much.
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Chris Prenovost :

Where was your little 'freedom of speech' post when Straw told
llama not to post earlier? Shouldn't they BOTH have that freedom?
Or is it just the one you like...?
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Aw, c'mon, see the movie and buy some ridiculously overpriced popcorn!

Pippi and I are gonna go this weekend.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Rastro-

Nope, keep holding your breath till 08 bud.... :-)

-SLK

Dr. Boogie-Yes I should clarify...I shoudl of wrote I have no fooking time to locate it....
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. . . . must. . . resist . . . . dark side. . .

TOO LATE!

You're either with me. . . or against me.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
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Chris,

You missed my sarcasm. He first told me not to post at the beginning of the thread right after my first post. I would never say something like that seriously, but I will direct your post right to strawberry, who deserves it. You hear what Chris says Strawbury!
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

slk,
yes, it took a whole lot of time to locate - perhaps 45 seconds to type www.nypost.com and find the link to the review that was right there on their home page.


whatever, I just thought it was funny that you couldn't seem to remember it was in the Post. hmmm, what local paper might have given the movie 1 star...hmmm, I don't know, could it have been the News Record? maybe the Village Voice, what about The Onion...
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dr.,

What part of "I have no fooking time to locate it..." do you not understand?

-SLK
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I understand that it's taken you longer to read my response and post 2 replies than it took me to link to the review.
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When will you Dems learn that retreads don't work!! Did we bring back Quayle? Is Cheney a front runner? NO, NO, and NO. This is politics not a "who is the best or most qualified" contest. I really thought after the close races of 2000 and 2004 that 2008 would be a great time in U.S. political history and I was pumped. Instead it looks like you Dems have already conceded it will either be a retread VP or a 1600 PA Ave housewife. Either way, the Republican nominee wins. Now, give Warner the nomination and I might get a little nervous.
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I agree with you again! Despite his qualifications, a retread seems like a losing proposition.

I disagree that Hillary was a White House housewife, but that's immaterial to your point, which I buy.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 5:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Except Gore won the popular vote.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 6:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,
You know I had to get something in.

Dave,
We don't know that. They stopped the recount didn't they?

And of course like any good neo-con, I hope like heck you guys run either Gore or Hillary. That would do more for Republican mobilization than anything any of our party leaders could do. I just wish you guys would finally "get" it. As a fan of the political spectrum I want a good fight. We haven't had one in a long time. I was just hoping you guys finally understood. I think many of your leaders do, but your entire party rests in the hands of Hillary. I know it, Gore knows it, and you know it. And I love it.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 8:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Southerner, you keep missing the fact that we do get it. We, the people, get it. The politicians don't. We get (and the politicians don't get) that the Democrats are a floundering party without a strategy and without a cohesive message. The party is screwed for the foreseeable future, unless we stop floundering and cohede (is that a word?) our message.

It's all over the press. Or at least my press. Maybe it's not in USA today or Fox News.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,
I know you get it. I'm not addressing the nation (unless MOL has a lot more subscribers lately). I am talking to the mindless libs on this board who see a conspiracy under every rock and can't understand that politics is politics and nothing has really changed except the team in power. That they can't see their whines and rants were our whines and rants during the Clinton years. Why can't most of them understand this is business as usual and the minority party always believes their ideas are better and their guys are more honorable. When we were the minority we did and now that they are the minority they do. They don't see this Tom. They really believe the Repubs are evil and Bush is a criminal. Why else would those mindless libs on this board tout Gore and Hillary. You obviously understand these two are losing candidates and you can't put ideas into practice by losing.

I guess I just want some honest political discussions but most of the libs here are incapable. I've said it before, but I'll repeat it (shocking) - most of you libs are new to being the minority so you don't really know how to react so you go off the deep end ever day. You should learn to settle into your new role and accept it. Then cry wolf when you actually see the wolf. Not just because Foj says to!
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Souhterner, Retreads? Like Nixon?

The Claridge theater in Montclair will show the movie on June 2nd.
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Foj
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Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Souhterner, Retreads? Like Nixon?

The Claridge theater in Montclair will show the movie on June 2nd.
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Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go, Al, go.
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Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gregg Easterbrook in Slate.com:

Broadly, An Inconvenient Truth denounces consumerism, yet asks of its audience no specific sacrifice. "What I look for is signs we are really changing our way of life, and I don't see it," Gore intones with his signature sigh. As he says this, we see him at an airport checking in to board a jet, where he whips out his laptop. If "really changing our way of life" is imperative, what's Gore doing getting on a jetliner? Jets number among the most resource-intensive objects in the world.

This raises the troubling fault of An Inconvenient Truth: its carelessness about moral argument. Gore says accumulation of greenhouse gases "is a moral issue, it is deeply unethical." Wouldn't deprivation also be unethical? Some fossil fuel use is maddening waste; most has raised living standards. The era of fossil energy must now give way to an era of clean energy. But the last century's headlong consumption of oil, coal, and gas has raised living standards throughout the world; driven malnourishment to an all-time low, according to the latest U.N. estimates; doubled global life expectancy; pushed most rates of disease into decline; and made possible Gore's airline seat and MacBook, which he doesn't seem to find unethical.


http://www.slate.com/id/2142319

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