| Author | Message | ||
     tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4952 Registered: 5-2001 |
Partition the place into three countries, try and get the UN to keep them off of each others' throats? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3181 Registered: 5-2004  |
I say we just leave. One night, have every single US serviceman/woman pack up all their gear and head home. After all, we're not the ones shooting at everyone. If the Iraqis can't get along, that's their problem. Or better yet, since they were dealing OK with each other under a brutal dictator, let's set up another one. I bet Noriega is just itching for a new opportunity. More reasonably, I think we need to put a plan together for withdrawal over time. We need to force the Iraqis to build the military the right way. Giving a soldier the right to quit any time they feel like it (for example, if they don't like the food, or aren't happy doing clean up patrol) simply does not work. Someone needs to sit down with the various factions and explain to them as succinctly as possible that this is their only chance for freedom. If they fsck it up, they are going to end up in a civil war that no one will win, and will likely end up in a dictatorship at least as bad as they were just "liberated" from. Then we need to follow the withdrawal plan to the letter. Let them see that we are serious about leaving. Draw down forces to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Slowly cycle those forces home after three to six months. But I'm not a military strategist. That's what we pay our military leaders for. We just need to listen to them once in a while. Give them a goal and let them make the right decisions. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 4732 Registered: 5-2001  |
yes, it should be three countries. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3183 Registered: 5-2004 |
I disagree completely. Shouldn't it be up to the Iraqis? oh wait. Nevermind. Actually, I doubt most Iraqis would go for that. The three countries would not share the oil money that they would desparately need to maintain their infrastructures. Without it, they're just another Afghanistan. Plus, I believe the Shi'a (people and land) would get absorbed by Iran. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4953 Registered: 5-2001 |
well if they want to be part of Iran, why not? One less faction in a civil war. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2109 Registered: 8-2003  |
Turkey wouldn't be too pleased about being next door to an independent Kurdish republic, either. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3184 Registered: 5-2004 |
Except that I believe they are in an area that has quite a bit of oil. This would give Iran an even larger portion of the global oil supply, which is not in our country;s best interests at this point in time. | ||
| Chris Prenovost Citizen Username: Chris_prenovost Post Number: 953 Registered: 7-2003 |
. . . Sounds like trying to keep them together is the only realistic option, after reading the above. Now, how do we do that? | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 776 Registered: 5-2001  |
Strawbury; I will not tattle to Dave on you for your attacks and name calling as you do because I have more dignity, and ironically, like the crying baby face you started this thread with. You are a pathetic nobody whose only way of getting any attention is by displaying your hypocritical personality disorder on MOL. I really feel sorry for you. You have no dignity. You are pathetic. Keep making a fool of yourself and name calling. It's all you've got. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1443 Registered: 10-2005 |
Blah blah blah...lets keep talking about this topic...none of our opinions will ever chanage but lets keep talking about it... MOL Bush haters and liberals. If you hate the situation in Iraq, grow some balls and do something about it. You do remember my old motto don't you? Start a revolution or shut up. Anomynous whining doesn't count. Straw-You have to admit that Bush needs to something different with this Iraq thing. His PR sucks on this matter. We are dragging our feet at the moment and something has to change. If we are kicking butt then sell the notion please. -SLK | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2110 Registered: 8-2003 |
If you support the situation in Iraq, grow some balls, enlist and do something about it. I do remember your old motto, and I have my own version. Join up or shut up. Anomynous cheerleading doesn't count.  | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4954 Registered: 5-2001 |
Maybe we can put a red dot over slk's house, too. | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7242 Registered: 10-2001  |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq Ok, we have the Iraqi cabinet in place. As I explained above this is crucial in discussing the "now what" in Iraq situation. Again, as I stressed above this cabinet is key to the eventual pullout of the coalition forces. With the cabinet and the continued successful training of the Iraq army, the goal is an Iraq Democracy defending itself against terrorists looking to create a civil war. Since the attempt to start such a war as I explained above has been unsuccessful to date there is still hope we will succeed. However, the terrorists will continue and it is up to the Iraqi Government to stay together while attempting to keep the majority of Iraqis from losing hope. This is a major turning point in the war and could be the light at the end of the tunnel for U.S forces. Now, let me explain how the libs need to react to keep their angry, anti American nonsense alive during this tense time in Iraq. The lib must hope the cabinet crumbles as both Shi'ite and Sunni members get bumped off. Members of their famlies including children should be targets as well for the sake of the lib argument. If the Iraqi Government breaks up thanks to terrorist activity Iraq is doomed and so is our mission, certainly great news for libs. If on the other hand the Government sticks together so will the people and so will the Democracy. Eventually the terrorists will have to re-focus elsewhere especially after we leave. Americans such as myself who love their country remain hopeful we've turned the corner and can conclude our work in Iraq within the next 2 years. For the sake of Iraq, Democracy and America, let's hope so, | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 777 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oh, I get it! Even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, all the terrorists have gone there and our military followed them. Now they are trying to create a civil war over there so they can plan other terrorist attacks such as 9/11 even though that had nothing to do with Iraq. It's idiotic reasoning by "Amerlicans like you" that got us into this mess. If "Americans like you" are really able to believe this crap I bet they can probably convince themselves to lick lick themselves like dogs. The result would probably satisfy "Americans like you" in a similar way. Otherwise, they are just a "morons" to quote you. | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7243 Registered: 10-2001 |
Llama spells "American", "Amerlicans".  | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9476 Registered: 4-1997  |
In somewhat off-topic, but related, news: the next version of Firefox looks like it will have spellcheck built in for when you're typing in a text box (ie., posting on MOL). OK, continue... | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2112 Registered: 8-2003 |
that'll be awsome | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7244 Registered: 10-2001 |
Do the ZONA!  | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 75 Registered: 2-2006  |
llama- That was remarkably well said.  | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7246 Registered: 10-2001 |
holy stupidity. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1449 Registered: 10-2005 |
llama- I am with straw. But it is not stupidity, rather complete and utter naievety(sp). Our beef with Saddam has nothing so much to do with 9/11 and everything to do with the WOT. Although there is debate going to and fro about HOW MUCH ties Saddam had with world terrorists don't be naieve to think he didn't at least have indirect relationships with them. BTW, what kind of an American are you? Just curious, one who would sell his country out in a second just to prove he is right? I get it, it is all about you being right, nothing more, nothing less. -SLK | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5417 Registered: 10-1999  |
See, that's the problem with political discourse today. Someone disagrees with the President? Well, then "Bam!!", they must be the kind of American who would sell his or her country out. On another note, thanks for the laugh with the line: "Our beef with Saddam has nothing so much to do with 9/11 and everything to do with the WOT." I thought that the 9-11 reason and the "War on Terror" were the same, but that's just me ... | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1453 Registered: 10-2005 |
Nohero- I have no problem with disagreeing. If you disagree with Dubya then so be it. I have just noticed that it has turned to the battle of the ego for many, especially for those who disagree with Iraq/WOT. Just an observation, that is all. -SLK BTW, 9/11 is just PART of WOT. Did you (conveinently) forget all the other reasongs given for taking on Iraq? Don't forget, one the underlyiing reasons the US is in Iraq is because the UN failed to do its job. For diplomatic reasons, this isn't explicity stated but... | ||
| Bailey Citizen Username: Baileymac Post Number: 293 Registered: 3-2005 |
um.. seems to me the other reasons for taking on Iraq (WMD for example) seemed to be WRONG! The UN effort to stop Iraq from developing WMD seems to have actually worked. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5421 Registered: 10-1999 |
No, I did not. But those reasons, have little to do with the reasons which are now being used. Your question might be better posed to the Administration, which seems to be trying to "forget" the rationales they used to sell us this war. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1457 Registered: 10-2005 |
NoHero- You are the one with your fruit of the looms tied in a knot over this, not me. You inquire. -SLK | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5423 Registered: 10-1999 |
I beg to differ. If anyone's "fruit of the looms" are "tied in a knot", it's the folks who are vigorously defending the Administration at the present time. In a sense, I have "inquired" about why the Administration thought it was a good idea to launch an invasion of Iraq. How? Simple - I read what they said in 2003. The simple fact is that what they said, does not fit the facts (either now, or those which were known in 2003). The bottom line is that they perpetrated a bamboozling of the American public. Fortunately, people are beginning to realize this. Let me know if there is a better answer to those who question, "the other reasongs given for taking on Iraq?" | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7247 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nohero, You're slipping into a radical left argument. This thread has been asking what next in Iraq. I have offered what I feel needs to be done next as have a few other posters such as FFOF. You are arguing in a "should of, could of, would of" style. I mean certainly Democrats such as Kerry and Kenney and Clinton and Edwards, etc. could have voted not to authorize war in Iraq but they chose not to. Certainly, The President could have continued giving the UN inspectors all the room they needed to do their work. However, none of this happened and we invaded Iraq. Ancient history. Now, as the thread starter asks? "What next?" | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11593 Registered: 5-2001 |
If you want to get depressed read the front page story in today's New York Times about the Iraqi police, especially the special commando units.  | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7248 Registered: 10-2001 |
Read it..Sadly, it was an NYT job...Hard to take their reporting seriously anymore. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-2003 |
You're slipping into a radical left argument. If thinking the war was a mistake entered into under false pretenses is a radical left argument, then around 2/3 of this country is now radical lefties. Or could it be that Straw and his little friends are the radicals? (Hint: 1/3 is not a majority viewpoint, no matter how loud Hannity screams it). | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7249 Registered: 10-2001 |
again, should of, could of, would of.. Are you prepared to offer insite into what you think we should do next? If not, please post elsewhere. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2114 Registered: 8-2003 |
Why add any other "insite" into what we should do next? You seem to have a pretty good handle on it. Looks like "hope" is our best bet. | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 778 Registered: 5-2001 |
SLK, As far as selling off our country, it is Bush who wanted to approve turning over our ports to the UAE to refresh your memory. As far as reasons for invading Iraq,if we had just reason to go to war, it should have been put out, but never was. Just a litany of lies and excuses by our government. I am the kind of American that expects the truth from them, not deception. | ||
| Chris Prenovost Citizen Username: Chris_prenovost Post Number: 954 Registered: 7-2003 |
So, what do we do next? Bush's record breaking incompetence has put us in a very difficult position. The situation over there is so FUBAR as to be almost unrecoverable. Forget, for a moment, the administration's lies about the WOT, WMD's and 9/11. What do we do now? I really hate to say this, but maybe a dictatorship would be the best alternative. I cannot see another way of ending the insurgency or keeping the country together. I cannot see another way of turning the lights on and, more important, keeping them on. . . . just a thought | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11596 Registered: 5-2001 |
Straw, I read everything about Iraq with a grain of salt. The article I mentioned is detailed, names names, dates and location. I tend to believe most of it. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 920 Registered: 12-2003 |
again, should of, could of, would of.. Are you prepared to offer insite into what you think we should do next? If not, please post elsewhere. Straw spells "insight," "insite." But seriously, what's the point of even having this discussion with a radical dead-ender like yourself? If you're so divorced from reality that you can't acknowledge that going in was a mistake, and that the administration misled the country about why we were going, I don't expect a fruitful (so to speak) debate to result. Show a little integrity by owning up to your side's mistakes, and maybe we can go from there...but until then, it's like trying to have a debate with the loony on the street corner. You and your radical playmates only make up about 1/3 of this country...therefore, your thoughts and opinions are meaningless. | ||
| Chris Prenovost Citizen Username: Chris_prenovost Post Number: 956 Registered: 7-2003 |
He and his radical playmates control all three branches of government. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 922 Registered: 12-2003 |
I know...it's terrifying. But people are starting to wake up. | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7250 Registered: 10-2001 |
So Chris writes: "I really hate to say this, but maybe a dictatorship would be the best alternative. I cannot see another way of ending the insurgency or keeping the country together. I cannot see another way of turning the lights on and, more important, keeping them on." This he writes a few days after Iraq approves a cabinet and now has a fully functioning Democratic Government. Chris, you're either not paying attention or frankly you're a communist. There is no other excuse for what you've just written. I'm very disappointed with you. |
