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themp
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"A jaw-dropping moment occurred in Bush and Blair’s Thursday presser: Bush said he regretted saying "bring it on" (precise wording in 2003 was "bring ‘em on") and "wanted dead or alive." He admitted he should have been more sophisticated in his use of language."

So he was wrong by his own admission. Think of the burden so many of us had of being right for all that time about those two quips and having to argue about it. It takes conservatives so long so concede to the obvious.
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notehead
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 1:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A stunning precedent from the president. I suspect he suffered some kind of software glitch.
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 2:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was stunning to see Bush and Blair side by side answering the same questions. Agree or not, Blair was eloquent at times, thoughtful throughout. Bush came off as unquestioned idiot, like always, a stuttering, mumbling douchebag.
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ina
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not so fast. Check out the shot of Bush smirking and the comment from Richard Wolffe at Newsweek:
... the big giveaway was at the end of that answer, I don't know if you can see it on camera, but the President flashed a big grin to those of us sitting in the front rows. It didn't seem that he was quite as contrite as his performance.
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/26/142512/143
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tom
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the smirking chimp
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ina
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Tom. Wish I could figure out how to do that.
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llama
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 6:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A small step towards admitting that the war was a mistake. That will come in a few years.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RL said:

"Bush came off as unquestioned idiot, like always, a stuttering, mumbling douchebag.

Let me tweak that a bit:

Robert Livingston comes off as unquestioned idiot, like always, a stuttering, mumbling douchebag.

Much better! :-)
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Duncan
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess I don't understand how "Wanted Dead or Alive" coming from the President of the US, who is unabashedly a Christian, yea claims he asks God's advice in matters of state, could not be seen as a grievous error by his "people". It does indeed smack of the Crusades.

And I heard that interview on NPR this morning with Richard Woolfe about the smirk. How disheartening. Its almost as if to say "yea, right".

But, smirk aside (and unless that in and of itself becomes a story) then it will read like a good contrite moment in his presidency. A little late in coming but...
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I notice that Bush's speaking has improved over the years. Has anyone else?
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marie
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Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

President Bush's verbal speech delays are a common symptom of dyslexia.

He is dyslexic.

Yeah, I know, he's also a ...... (fill in the blank.)


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anon
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have never heard or read that GWB is dyslexic. On what do you base that?
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marie
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anon,
I don't remember where I learned about his dyslexia - may have been from a fellow teacher. In any case, I've always wished that he would speak publicly about his learning difference.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Quote:

Bush denies magazine's suggestion of dyslexia

September 12, 2000
Web posted at: 10:12 AM EDT (1412 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican presidential nominee George W. Bush on Tuesday denied suggestions in a Vanity Fair article that he has dyslexia.

"No, I'm not dyslexic," Bush said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "That's all I can tell you."


http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/12/bush.dyslexia.ap/




I can't imagine a person with dyslexia could read a teleprompter, which Bush does with ease. His flubs are limited almost entirely to extemporaneous speaking.
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tom
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Quote:

His flubs are limited almost entirely to extemporaneous speaking.



...and personnel and policy decisions.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

those aren't "flubs." they're catastrophes
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Jersey_Boy
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 1:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone else remember the whole bulge-in-his-jacket controversy where it was theorized that he had to listen to his speeches in an earpeice BECAUSE he couldn't read a teleprompter?

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/10/08/bulge/index_np.html

That was great.

J.B.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 2:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And we never got an answer to the mystery.
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marie
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 4:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a partial list of famous dyslexics. It includes: George Bush senior, President Bush and President Bush's daughters. For more info on the the disorder check out the many sites on the web.



Actors or Entertainment Industry Figures:
Henry Winkler (The Fonz)
Tom Cruise
Whoopi Goldberg
Danny Glover
Harry Anderson
Daniel Stern
Bill Cosby's brother and son
Steven Spielberg
Zsa Zsa Gabor
Dustin Hoffman
Steve McQueen
Jack Nicholson
Tom Smothers
Suzanne Somers
Sylvester Stallone
Robin Williams
Lindsay Wagner
George C. Scott
George Burns
Anthony Hopkins
Bob Jimenez (TV anchorman)
Tracey Gold
Steven J. Cannell
Jay Leno
Woody Harrelson
Jamie Oliver, "The Naked Chef"
Brian Grazer, producer of "A Beautiful Mind"
Edward James Olmos
Tracey Gold, "Growing Pains"
Walt Disney
Quentin Tarantino
Lara Flynn Boyle
Keira Knightley
Dom Delouise
Dave Foley
Bruce McCulloch

Sports:
Magic Johnson
Greg Louganis (Olympic diver)
Bruce Jenner
Jackie Stewart, inducted into the Grand Prix Hall of Fame
Dexter Manley, former NFL player
Carl Lewis
Pete Rose
Nolan Ryan
Billy Blanks, Captain of 1980 U.S. Olympic Karate Team, Creator of Tae-Bo
Terry Bradshaw
Rulon Gardner, Gold Medal Winner in Greco-Roman wrestling, 2000 Summer Olympics
Adam Heidt, Luge competitor
Jim Shea, Jr., Gold Medal Winner in Skeleton, 2002 Winter Olympics
Stan Wattles, Indy race car driver
Ellie Hawkins, rock climber
Eric Wynalda, professional soccer player
Neil Smith, NFL
Don Coryell, San Diego football coach (NFL & NCAA)
Duncan Goodhew, Swimmer
Bob Anderson, coach of Olympic wrestling team

Politicians:
Winston Churchill
Benjamin Franklin
Woodrow Wilson
Nelson Rockefeller
Thomas Kean, governor of New Jersey
Gaston Caperton, governor of West Virginia
Frank Dunkle, director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
John F. Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
Luci Baines Johnson Nugent
Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy
James Carville, Political Analyst
Peter Leonard, member, State House of Representatives, New Hampshire
Julius Caesar
Andrew Jackson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Anwar Sadat
Gavin Newsom


Military:
General George Patton
Dwight D. Eisenhower
General Westmoreland
Napoleon Bonaparte

Artists:
Rodin
Leonardo da Vinci
Gustave Flaubert
Robert Rauschenberg
Chuck Close, artist (photorealist portraits)
Margaret Whittington
Allison Merriweather
Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert comic strip)
Charles Schulz (creator of Peanuts comic strip)
Ansel Adams
Fredrick Law Olmsted, Landscape Engineer: designed Central Park in New York City and Chicago's Grant Park
Robert "Bob" Fowler, Sculptor & jewelry maker
Robert Toth
Mark Wilkinson, kitchen & furniture designer
Martha Sturdy, Designer
P. Buckley Moss
Michelangelo
Pablo Picasso
Vincent Van Gogh

Musicians:
Harry Belafonte
Cher
Beethoven
John Lennon
Mozart
Aimee Osbourne (Ozzie's eldest)
Jewel

Science & Medicine:
Thomas Edison
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
Nicolai Tesla
Albert Einstein
Alexander Graham Bell
The Wright Brothers
Benjamin Franklin
Henry Ford
Galileo
Steven Hawkings
Louis Pasteur
Tom Francis (AIDS researcher)
Jack Horner (paleontologist)
Baruj Benacerraf, MD (winner of the Nobel prize in Physiology)
Charles "Pete" Conrad (astronaut)
Dr. Fred Epstein, Brain Surgeon
Dr. Edward Hollowell (ADD Specialist)
Dr. Larry Silvers (ADD Specialist)
Paul MacCready, "Engineer of the Century", invented "Gossamer Condor"
Dr. Harvey Cushing, Father of Modern Brain Surgery
Charles Darwin
William Spicer


Writers and Poets:
William Butler Yeats
Agatha Christie
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Hans Christian Anderson
Richard Cohen, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post
Marc Flanagan, TV writer and producer
Elizabeth D. Squire
Edgar Allen Poe
Thomas Thoreau
Jules Verne
John Irving
Elizabeth Daniels Squire
Robert Scheer
Fanny Flagg, wrote "Fried Green Tomatoes"
Richard Ford, wrote "Independence Day"
Patricia Polacco, Author and Illustrator of children's books
Norla Chee, Native American Poet
Victor Villasenor, Mexican-American Writer
Debbie Macomber, Novelist
John Schumacher, Cookbook Author and Chef
Mark Twain

Entrepreneurs & Business Leaders:
Charles Schwab
Bill Hewlett, co-founder of HP
Richard C. Strauss, real-estate financier
Mark Torrance, CEO, Musak Corporation
Malcolm Goodridge III, senior vice president, American Express
William Doyle, chairman, William Doyle Auction Galleries of New York
Paul J. Orfalea, founder and chairman, Kinko's copy shops
G. Chris Anderson, vice-chairman of PaineWebber
Weyerhauser family
William Wrigley, Jr.
Russell Varian
Craig McCaw (McCaw Cellular)
Fred Friendly (former CBS News president)
David Murdock, CEO, Dole Foods
John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems
Richard Branson, Founder, Virgin Corporation (Airline, Records)
Diane Swonk, Bank One
Tommy Hilfiger, Fashion Designer
Donald Winkler, CEO of Ford Motor Credit
Horst Rechelbacher, Founder of Aveda Corporation

Other:
Ann Bancroft, arctic explorer
Roger W. Wilkins, scholar and head of the Pulitzer Prize Board
Hugh Newell Jacobsen, famous architect, winner of 90 different awards for design, including 20 Architectural Record Awards for the best house design of the year.
Son of former U.S. President, George H.W. Bush
Prince Charles
Erin Brockovich, Enviromental Activist
Dexter Scott King, son of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. & President & CEO of The King Center in Atlanta, GA
Peter W.D. Wright, Special Education Attorney



* Ansel Adams**
* Hans Christian Anderson*
* Ann Bancroft
* Beethoven*
* Harry Belafonte*
* Alexander Graham Bell
* Robert Blake (Actor, "Baretta")*
* Neils Bohr*
* David Boies, J.D.*
* James Boswell**
* Gregory Boyington*
* Richard Branson*
* Sir Richard Francis Burton

* President George Bush***
* Children of George Bush*


* George Burns*
* Charlotte/Emily Bronte**
* Admiral Richard Byrd
* Lord Byron**
* Stephen Cannell*
* Thomas Carlyle
* Andrew Carnegie
* Jim Carrey**
* Lewis Carroll*
* Gen. H. Norman Charles
* Prince Charles*
* Thomas Chatterton**
* Cher*
* Agatha Christie*
* Winston Churchill*
* Samuel Clemens**
* Samuel T. Coleridge**
* Christopher Columbus
* John Corcoran*
* Bill & Ennis Cosby*
* Walter Cronkite*
* Tom Cruise*
* Harvey Cushing, M.D.*
* Leonardo da Vinci*
* Salvador Dali**
* Dom Deluise*
* Oscar de la Renta*
* Emily Dickinson**
* Walt Disney*
* Patty Duke
* Dean Edell, M.D.**
* Thomas Edison* **
* Paul Ehrlich, M.D.*
* Albert Einstein*
* Dwight D. Eisenhower*
* Ralph Waldo Emerson**
* Fred Epstien, M.D.*
* Ernest & Marel
* Michael Faraday*
* F. Scott Fitzgerald*
* Edward Fitzgerald**
* Malcomb Forbes**
* Fannie Flagg*
* Henry Ford**
* Rick Fox
* Benjamin Franklin**
* Robert Frost**
* Zsa Zsa Gabor**
* Tom Gainsborough**
* Galileo
* Bill Gates**
* Danny Glover*
* Tracey Gold*
* Whoopie Goldberg*
* Susan Hampshire
* Handel
* Mariette Hartley*
* Stephen Hawking*
* Wm Randolph Hearst
* Ernest Hemingway*
* Bill Hewlett
* Alfred Hitchcock
* Dustin Hoffman
* Anthony Hopkins
* Howard Hughes**
* Victor Hugo*
* John Irving*
* William and Henry James
* Thomas Jefferson*
* Bruce Jenner*
* Bob Jimenez*
* "Magic" Johnson*
* Samuel Johnson
* Michael Jordan
* Carl Jung, M.D.*
* King Karl XI of Sweden*
* John F. Kennedy* **
* Robert Kennedy*
* Jason Kidd
* Evel Knievel and Robbie **
* Charles Lamb*
* Bill Lear (Founder, Learjet) **
* John Lennon*
* Jay Leno*
* Lewis and Clark **
* Carl Lewis*
* Abraham Lincoln**
* Anne Morrow Lindberg **
* Vince Lombardi*
* Greg Louganis*



* Amy Lowell
* Robert Lowell**
* Gustav Mahler**
* Dexter Manley
* Abraham Maslow, M.D.
* James Clark Maxwell
* Steve & Chad McQueen**
* Herman Melville*
* P. Buckley Moss*
* Mozart**
* David H. Murdock*
* Napoleon
* Nasser
* Isaac Newton*
* Jack Nicholson**
* Nick Nolte*
* Nostradamus
* Luci Baines Johnson Nugent* **
* Dan O'Brien
* Eugene O'Neill**
* Paul J. Orfalea*
* Louis Pasteur*
* Peter Pattison*
* Gen. George Patton*
* H. Ross Perot
* Kitty Petty**
* Pablo Picasso
* Edgar Allan Poe
* Cole Porter**
* Elvis Presley**
* Lewis T. Preston*
* Puccini
* Sergei Rachmaninoff
* Dan Rather
* Robert Rauschenberg*
* Buddy Rich*
* Eddie Rickenbacker*
* Guy Ritchie*
* Joan Rivers**
* John D. Rockefeller*
* Nelson Rockefeller*
* Rodin*
* Pete Rose**
* John Ruskin**
* Nolan Ryan
* Eleanor Roosevelt
* Anwar Sadat
* Pierre Salinger
* Charles Schulz*
* Robert Schumann**
* Charles Schwab*
* Gen. Norman Schwartzkopf
* George C. Scott*
* Anne Sexton**
* George Bernard Shaw* **
* Tom Smothers*
* Socrates
* Suzanne Somers*
* Steven Spielberg
* Sylvester Stallone* **
* Robert Louis Stevenson*
* Jackie Stewart**
* James Stewart*
* Richard C. Strauss
* Sara Teasdale
* Peter Tchaikovsky*
* Lord Alfred Tennyson
* Nicolai Tesla
* Pietro Testa*
* Henry David Thoreau
* Thomas Thoreau*
* Leo Tolstoy
* Alberto Tomba**
* Mark Torrance
* Ted Turner
* Vincent Van Gogh**
* Russell Varian*
* Jules Verne
* Werner von Braun*
* Lindsay Wagner*
* Mike Wallace
* Wendy Wasserstein*
* Marc Weinberg*
* Thomas G. West*
* General Westmoreland*
* Weyerhauser Family*
* Russell White
* Walt Whitman*
* Jamie Williams
* Robin Williams**
* Tennessee Williams**
* Woodrow Wilson*
* Henry Winkler*
* Stevie Wonder*
* Virginia Woolf**
* F.W. Woolworth
* Wright Brothers**
* Frank Lloyd Wright**
* Wrigley*
* William Butler Yeats
* Emile Zola*

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campbell29
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 4:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you saying that we should compare Bush's oratorical skills to the likes of Churchill and Kennedy, because they are all dsylexic? Somehow, I don't think putting Bush in this kind of company is going to enhance our opinion of his ability to overcome his handicap. What is does suggest, is that while people who are dsylexic might have trouble decoding written word, they are certainly capable of inspiring leadership and giving coherent speeches ( skills which seems noticably absent in GWB)
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Nohero
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 5:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As the good Doctor pointed out, President Bush denies that he is dyslexic.

Is Marie accusing the President of "fibbing"?

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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 5:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can someone post the list of dyslexic morons so we can compare?
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marie
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 6:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

campbell29,

Pretty sure NOTHING I write or say about GWB will enhance anyone's opinion of President Bush - just pointing out that GWB's difficulties with public speaking and teleprompter reading are related to a learning difference, and not as a result of an intellectual deficiency, as his detractors continue to imply. I've never held GWB's weak oratorial skills against him, knowing that he is dyslexic - I believe GWB is an inspiration to the learning differenced community and wish he would publicly speak to it.


Have a Memorable Memorial Day Weekend.
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marie
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 6:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave,

Your comment is offensive to the learning differenced communitiy - you should ban yourself and do some reading on the subject ;)

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Joe
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 6:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe GWB is an inspiration to the learning differenced community and wish he would publicly speak to it.
Sort of like Jim McGreevey being an inspiration to the gay community before he came out of the closet.
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anon
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Amazing list. Includes Socrates and some guy who was head of the Fish and Wildlife Service.

How can anyone know if Socrates was dyslexic?
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tom
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Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's still no excuse for his lack of curiosity, his unwillingness to learn from or admit mistakes. Is there really any functional difference for someone who can't learn, and someone who won't?
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I would love to see the test results for Michaelangelo, Galileo and "Chicago's Grant Park".
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Did you hear about the dyslexic guy who went to a toga party dressed as a goat?

Cheers
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Either Marie is mistaken or Bush lied about his dyslexia. It hardly matters, though.

I don't think dyslexia can explain his bad speaking skills, because so many on that above list are/were excellent speakers. I don't think dyslexia affects speaking ability.

There must be another reason he's so bad at speaking. We can only guess what it is.
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My guess: a deep-seated laziness coupled with an unshakeable sense of entitlement. Why work at anything, including public speaking skills, when everything has been handed to you for your entire life?
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Tom, you wrote that Bush's speaking has improved. Did you see the post last week which linked to videos of Bush speaking without notes in 1994 and the campaign debate speach in 2004?

In 1994, Bush was articulate. The content was assholic but the speach pattern was clear. Fast-forward to 2004. The content of the speach was assholic as usual but the speach pattern was disjointed. His speaking ability has deteriorated.

If he was suffering from dsylexia, the speach pattern would have been disjointed in 1994.

To repeat, an Atlantic Monthly article attributed the speach patterns to pre-senile demintia, a precurser to Alzheimers.

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Tom,

Did bush lie about his dyslexia? I have a feeling he's splitting hairs - as I said before I wish he would speak publicly about it. Anyway, dyslexia certainly does affect one's speech:

Semantic dyslexia
Semantic Dyslexia is, as the name suggests, a subtype of the group of Cognitive disorders known as dyslexia. Those who suffer from semantic dyslexia are unable to properly attach words to their meanings in reading and/or in speech. When confronted with the word 'diamond', they may understand it as 'sapphire', 'shiny' or 'diamonds'; when asking for a bus ticket may ask for some paper or simply 'a thing'.

Happy Memorial Day!




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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 7:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That could explain why he said disassemble when he meant dissemble.

If he really has a disability, I agree, it would be good for many people if he spoke of it. His resistance to do so shows some sort of emotion around it, such as shame.
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marie
I find it hard to believe he is dyslexic. I don't think he'd be able to read a TelePrompTer if he was.
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Scully
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

'knowing that he is dyslexic - I believe GWB is an inspiration to the learning differenced community and wish he would publicly speak to it. '

Check out speeches of his from the early 90's. You don't 'catch' learning disabiliteis in middle age.
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 9:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, if Bush is dyslexic and denies it, it's just consistent with his pattern of lying about everything. More likely, Rove believed if he admitted it he'd come off as weak to his psychopathic supporters.

Chances are, however, his sputtering way of talking and making little sense is leftover from his booze and coke days. Hey, we were all taught that kills brain cells. And word is he's boozing again (with those approval ratings, wouldn't you). No word on any further coke use, but I mean, c'mon, just listen to him...
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marie
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just the Aunt,
Again, dyslexia is a very broad spectrum disorder and can have a wide range of symptoms from mild to profound in nature. Some dyslexics can and some can't read from a teleprompter - it all depends on the the level and type of dyslexia the person is diagnosed with.

Scully,
I would guess that many of GWB's speeches from the early days were memorized. I would also guess that he currently doesn't have the time to do that kind of memorization and therefore, relies more on teleprompters and other visual aids and tools.

RL,
Many of his detractors have attributed his bumbling speech to the effects of his drinking and drugging days - obviously that can't have helped. But, his speech and reading issues continue to appear to be classic LD/Dyslexia to those who are familiar with the disorder. Where have you heard that he's abusing drugs again? I hope and pray for his continued sobriety - obviously a sober president is better than a non-sober one...
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

marie: I never said he's abusing drugs, but that he is most likely drinking again is not really a secret, and is talked about often in columns and blogs (both respectable and not). There was that picture of him with a beer at the G-8 summit in 2004 I believe. If I remember correctly, he said it was non-alcoholic, but seriously, what's a born-again 12-stepper doing with NA in the first place? Could only lead to bad things.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Funny, RL has trouble with Dubya drinking an NA beverage when he has admitted he likes to "tie one on" every Friday night...

Go figure...

-SLK
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 3:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SLK writes: "Robert Livingston comes off as unquestioned idiot, like always, a stuttering, mumbling douchebag."

You're not even trying anymore. Firstly, you're insults are just cut and paste jobs. Very lame. Secondly, they don't even make any sense in the context. Are you saying I stutter and mumble when I write? Is this possible? What the f---?
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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RL,

Ok, lets try tweaking your statement even more:

"Robert Livingston comes off as unquestioned idiot[ic] douchebag."

Bingo! :-)

-SLK

BTW, "unquestioned?" What in God's name is that?
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Robert Livingston comes off as unquestioned idiot[ic] douchebag."

Wow. You can say stuff like that here now? That's good to know...
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Hoops
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SLK - I believe that you have not parsed RLs words well enough. When he stated that

Quote:

Bush came off as unquestioned idiot, like always, a stuttering, mumbling douchebag




First he did not include the word 'an' between the words as and unquestioned, which would make the statement grammatically correct and as always true in its own right, however I believe he was using Bush as a metaphor for certain stubborn MOL Bush supporters and apologists.

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themp
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dom Delouise? You spelled it wrong, It's Dom Deluise.

He always seemed so together in Canonball Run and Smokey and the Bandit II.
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Rastro
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder how many of those are actually diagnozed dyslexics (by a qualified professional), and how many are remotely diagnosed like Teri Schiavo by Bill Frist.

Puccini?
Rodin?
Socrates?
Isaac Newton?
Nostradamus?
Napoleon?

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