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dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1808
Registered: 5-2001
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Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2300
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:57 pm: |
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from the NY Times
June 2, 2006
City Has Itself to Blame for Terror Cuts, U.S. Says
By AL BAKER and DIANE CARDWELL
The federal agency distributing $711 million in antiterrorism money to cities around the nation found numerous flaws in New York City's application and gave poor grades to many of its proposals.
Its criticism extended to some of the city's most highly publicized counterterrorism measures.
In a report that outlines why it cut back New York City's share of antiterrorism funds by roughly 40 percent, the Department of Homeland Security was so critical of some highly viewed local measures — like Operation Atlas, in which hundreds of extra police officers carry out counterterrorism duties around the city each day — that the Police Department and other city agencies must now seek further federal approval before drawing on the money they were given to pay for those programs.
Federal officials said yesterday that the city had not only done a poor job of articulating its needs in its application, but had also mishandled the application itself, failing to file it electronically as required, instead faxing its request to Washington.
City and state officials insisted that they had made no mistakes. And a state official provided a written acknowledgment from the federal government saying that the city's application for grant money had been "successfully submitted" and said that the city could "log in" any time to view the application.
New York City received $124.5 million from the Department of Homeland Security, about 40 percent less than the $207.5 million it received the year before. Many smaller cities around the country, like Charlotte, N.C., saw their shares increase sharply.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg questioned yesterday whether old-fashioned pork barrel politics was at play in doling out the money in an election year. He was one of several elected officials who moved on different tracks to uncover how the decisions were made, with an eye toward revising that process.
"We tried to do an analysis of some of the moneys and whether or not they were given out for political reasons, and in fact in many of the places where they got money — but arguably there's no threat — there are close elections either at the Senate level or the House level," the mayor said. "Now, whether that was their motive I have no idea."
The White House tried to minimize the effect on New York. The grants will be reconsidered each year and could change if "some grand and unforeseen need arises," said Tony Snow, the White House press secretary. "The point of homeland security, as I said before, is to provide security for the entire homeland," he said. "And certainly no disrespect meant to New York with $124 million for this coming year."
The report, obtained yesterday, pointed out opposing views held by cities and the federal government over how antiterrorism money should be spent and, as an extension of those views, how terrorism should be fought.
City officials have used federal money to subsidize continuing costs, like paying overtime to officers. The federal government, on the other hand, wants the grants to pay for semipermanent safeguards that can increase security over the long term, like improvements in communications systems, better gas masks and increased training.
The report faulted the city for not adequately explaining why the money being requested could reduce risks.
Though the report said the city was in the top 25 percent of urban areas at risk, it rated the city in the bottom 25 percent in the quality of its application. It rated the Police Department's counterterrorism program and Operation Atlas as below average in sustainability, a criticism of the continuing overtime costs.
Eight of the city's programs including the counterterrorism division and Operation Atlas, as well as some health and training programs — fell in the bottom 15 percent, meaning any federal money used toward them will need to be specifically approved.
Elected city officials were especially stunned that the report said New York had no national monuments or icons. The city's application was evaluated by so-called peer-review panels of five to seven people with varying backgrounds from 47 states and affirmed by government analysts at the Department of Homeland Security.
Angry officials in New York zeroed in on the peer review process yesterday, trying to determine who evaluated the programs and whether their judgments were clouded by a desire to steer security money to their own areas. City officials questioned whether the reviewers had expertise in antiterrorism efforts.
Members of New York's Congressional delegation presented a united front in pledging action to change the allocations. Representative Peter T. King, a Republican and chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, said he would hold hearings to investigate the process, while Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton, both Democrats, wrote letters to Michael Chertoff, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, demanding a full explanation.
In Washington, Mayor Anthony A. Williams described the decision to cut his city's allocation by 40 percent as shortsighted.
A spokeswoman, Sharon Gang, said the Homeland Security Department did not give much of a rationale for the cuts and that their proposals rated average or above average on almost all counts.
"It sounds like they made a unilateral, gut decision not based on our application," Ms. Gang said. "And they scored other locations higher."
Officials in New York said the impact of the cash drain would be felt.
"We have a counterterrorism center that would deal with all of the potential scenarios that we have been studying that we have to be prepared for that could be dramatically affected by any cut in funding," said Fire Commissioner Nicholas A. Scoppetta. "It's as though Washington is not going to be convinced of the need until they have another terrible incident in a place like New York or Washington."
Paul J. Browne, a senior aide to Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly and the department's chief spokesman, said: "The N.Y.P.D. will continue to do what it needs to do to keep the city safe," he said. "We'll just be doing it without D.H.S. stepping up to the level expected of it."
He said the department's counterterrorism work had been essential in defending the city since 9/11 "What more evidence do they need?" he said.
Stephen C. King, a lawyer who specializes in emergency-response and domestic security issues at Hunton & Williams in New York, said he could not understand the 40 percent cut to the city. "I'll have to look at it closer," he said, "but I can't wrap my arms around that one."
Though the federal officials said the city did not file properly, the city said state officials filed its package, and a state official said its package of applications was filed electronically on March 2, the deadline.
In an interview, George W. Foresman, under secretary for preparedness as the Department of Homeland Security, applauded some of the security work being done by New York, while raising the question of just what is the proper use of the federal funds.
"Do you pay for what are viewed as basic capabilities; law enforcement, fire, E.M.S., public health, emergency management?" he asked. "Whose role is it to pay for that, versus whose role is it to pay for specialized training and equipment for fire, E.M.S. and law enforcement?"
Mr. Chertoff said yesterday: "There was no suggestion about anything we did that New York is not the No. 1 terror target. But I do think it's fair to ask this question: After a city gets $500 million, more than twice as much as the next-largest city, is it correct to assume they should continue to get the same amount of money year after year after year after year with everybody else dividing up what remains?"
Still, Mr. Schumer called the episode an "absurdity," saying the grading system did not make sense.
"It would be as if you got 800's on your boards and Stanford Law School rejected you because you put the stamp on upside down," he said.
Reporting for this article was contributed by Kareem Fahim, Winnie Hu, Eric Lipton and Jim Rutenberg. |
Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1447
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:07 pm: |
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The money will go to red states, its an election year.
>tongue in cheek< |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3290
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:08 pm: |
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Quote:Mr. Chertoff said yesterday: "There was no suggestion about anything we did that New York is not the No. 1 terror target. But I do think it's fair to ask this question: After a city gets $500 million, more than twice as much as the next-largest city, is it correct to assume they should continue to get the same amount of money year after year after year after year with everybody else dividing up what remains?"
Um, yes? Until the threat level of The City drops, the funding should not drop. Especially not to fund pork barrel projects.
I wonder how many national monuments and icons there are in Texas? |
Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1448
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:16 pm: |
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Over time for COPS, gone. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7327
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:26 pm: |
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'I wonder how many national monuments and icons there are in Texas?'
and in Newark. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5041
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 6:27 pm: |
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Here again is the tired conservative tactic of setting up liberals as saying something they didn't, and attacking it. We're not going to argue that Newark deserves money. The have one of the busiest airports in America, and one of the busiest seaports. Sharp James is out of there and the money has a good chance of being spent properly.
So here's what you're going to argue instead: Kos has helpfully posted those cities which did have national monuments and icons worth protecting, according to DHS. Here they are, for straw to line up and defend.
Alexandria, Indiana: The World's Largest Ball of Paint ($12 million)
Niland, California: Salvation Mountain ($16 million)
Alamo Heights, Texas: Barney Smith's Toilet Seat Art Museum ($10 million)
Dedham, Massachusetts: The Museum of Bad Art ($31 million)
Key West, Florida: The Chicken Store ($7.5 million)
Alliance, Nebraska: Carhenge ($25 million)
Soap Lake, Washington: The Giant Lava Lamp ($143 million)
Listen, you weasel, I challenged you on this this morning and you've changed the subject to something else. Get on it: I want to know why The World's Largest Ball of Paint, and not the Statue of Liberty.
Why Salvation Mountain and not Central Park.
Why the Toilet Seat Art Museum and not the Metropolitan Museum of Art
Wy the Museum of Bad Art and not Ellis Island
Why the Chicken Store and not Macy's
Why Carhenge but not Ellis Island
Why the Giant Lava Lamp but not Times Square.
Your GOP talking points may go over well with the hicks in East ••••••••, Ohio, but they're worthless here.
What's sad is, how a few tax cuts will buy people off. Of course, people risk their personal safety for a little money every day of the week. But here's a guy who has said right here that the only reason real estate in Maplewood has appreciated is because of the Midtown Direct. "Period," he wrote.
Leaving aside the transparent falsity of that statement, I'll take it as something he found it expedient to believe at the time. So what happens to your real estate holdings when there's no more Penn Station, or no more midtown?
It's shortsighted foolishness like this that makes prostitution look honorable in comparison. |
Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1450
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 7:41 pm: |
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"'I wonder how many national monuments and icons there are in Texas?'"
Dont you mean "VOTES in TEXAS?" |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1108
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:09 am: |
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I love this.
Crybabies. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15101
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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Dearest Southerner,
Please explain your above post.
Thankey. |
Oldstone
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Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 744
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:19 am: |
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that's what you entered into this thread to post? "crybabies" ??? do us all a favor and just not post when you feel the need to say "i love this". we ALL already know that you love EVERYTHING democrats can't do anything about because of our beloved bush and his administration. save your fingers. WE GET IT. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5045
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
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Here are some images posted by the local "crybabies," which we probably all find relevant to the whole issue of anti-terrorism.
You really ought to be ashamed of yourself. |
SO Ref
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Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1870
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:17 am: |
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Never surprised; often disappointed. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1110
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 1:46 pm: |
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Seb,
NY has gotten the lion's share of the money and will still get the most money this year. Why you guys can't see that perhaps other places should receive something is what is so funny. Which city gets the most money and should? New York. No one disputes that. So why are all of you screaming and crying. Because it is the liberal way. You always want more. Were you guys screaming when other cities and/or states got close to nothing while NYC got everything for the first few years? I doubt it. It's called fairness. You guys are still getting more money than anyone and you are complaining. This is absolutely hilarious. |
SO Ref
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Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1873
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 1:52 pm: |
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Quote:This is absolutely hilarious.
You may want to expand your vocabulary or, at least, work on proper context.
It's repulsive to think that you might actually be enjoying this... |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5046
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Since straw has bailed, Southerner gets to answer this: Justify zero landmarks and icons. That was one of the criteria.
Justify it. Make a reasonable case why zero is the correct number.
Then, refer to my comparison list of Friday evening. Justify them. The Museum of Bad Art, or the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
And don't tell me it's a game. You just said it's about fairness, so don't hide behind politics.
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Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1112
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:24 pm: |
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tom,
I can't justify it or want to. I think it is pathetic. I've never made a post saying the landmark issue is justifiable. I don't know how DHS came up with this stuff. I am commenting on the reaction of the libs on this board. New York City gets more money than any other city in this country and have since this program started. Yet, the libs who I always thought stood for fairness and equality are screaming like a bunch of babies because DHS figured that maybe some other cities and states should get some increases. I'd agree if places like Dayton, Omaha, Birmingham, etc, were getting more money than NYC then that would be a joke. But that isn't the case. They are getting far less and you guys still want to take away the little money they are getting. You guys are starting to use the neo-con economic system which I like.
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Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 928
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 4:49 pm: |
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Places like Dayton, Omaha, and Birmingham ARE getting more money per capita than New York. That must really crack you up. Wait til more New York firefighters are dead and their children orphaned because there wasn't money to upgrade communications systems...that'll be a real hoot.
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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15102
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 4:56 pm: |
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Dearest Southerner,
This is not an issue of "you libs", it's an issue that all New Yorkers, even those who consider themselves to be Conservatives, are outraged over.
Perhaps the problem is that your ability to understand the scope of the slight is limited to your sense that a terror attack in your neck of the woods would probably only take out one alligator, 3 snakes and 1.6 billion mosquitos. Maybe even a possum or two. Not much of a loss in your mind.
But how about if such an attack also killed all of the worms that y'all use for fishin'? Or how about if some terrorist made it so that the tops of all six packs were fused together? Man oh man I'll bet you'd be pretty pissed over that!
Or to bring this even closer to your camper, how about if terrorists somehow were able to infiltrate the local town clerks office and erased all family records making the potential for incest much higher?
Oh I'm sorry. That last one is obviously not going to be much of a problem.
Enough with the you libs crap. Thankey. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2753
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:21 pm: |
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Sbenois: Just reminded me of am episode of "All in the Family". One of Archie's daughter's college friends said to Archie in her Southern drawl: "My Daddy would consider you a liberal." "Why is that?", asks Archie. "Because y'all live in New York City", she replies. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5047
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 6:25 pm: |
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What's equality got to do with any of this? It's threat-based.
There was a fire over on Springfield Ave. yesterday, and all the fire trucks were over there. But none were in front of my house! It wasn't fair! So what that I don't live near there, and didn't have a fire.
And you think we're crybabies?
I am grateful, though, that you're not justifying the icons piece. Straw just walked away with his tail between his legs. At least you realize that every utterance of the administration doesn't warrant an update to the New Testament. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1574
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 6:58 pm: |
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Everyone chill.
Chertoff is "reevaluating" the situation. You didn't think this was going to end at the initial announcement did you?
-SLK |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5481
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 7:54 pm: |
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If we all "chilled", there wouldn't be a "reevaluating".
"Chillin'" would be the worst thing we could do.
Carry on, folks.  |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5048
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:44 pm: |
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Actually, I would have thought that the initial release would have coincided with the final work product. Another case of "running government like a business," in this case, New Coke. |
mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 262
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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Don't know the dollar amount but generally, doesn't the Federal Government collect a huge amount of federal tax money from New York State, mainly generated from New York City? (as compared to many other states which pay far less into the federal government pot, and receive much more federal government money).
And a point regarding another post: Newark Liberty Airport |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14586
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 12:20 pm: |
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Southerner, do I gather you agree with us that the allocations are out of proportion to risk? And you still call us names? So what is this, a mere response to the WAY we voice our opinions?
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Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1113
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 4:22 pm: |
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Reingold, you are pretty much correct although not totally. I have no issue with you guys being upset. Every government program that ever existed or will exist upsets someone. And when you cut anything you will hear from these people. So, I understand why you guys are screaming. The nerve of the government to actually give people who live somewhere other than metro NYC more money than the pittance they were receiving.
The level of snobbery from you libs is extremely pathetic but hilarious to me. New York City gets the lion's share of the money, even with the cut. I would think that you would agree that everyone needs to be protected and not just New York City. I think New York City SHOULD get the largest piece of the pie, AND THEY ARE! This is a good thing. I also think that while the emphasis the past 5 years has been on NYC and DC that maybe it is appropriate to give more money to other places. I am not suggesting we give any place more money than NYC but every place needs well funded emergency personnel.
I know none of this will make any of you think any differently and that is not my intent. My intent is to laugh like crazy when the rich guy complains he can't have more because the poor guys needs more than the pittance they were receiving. Maybe I am a lib after all.
And Seb, your posts use to be interesting. Your bitterness is beginning to show. You can make fun all you want, it tells me you are a much smaller man than I initially believed. I still enjoy your posts, but it is obvious your objectivity has disappeared. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3311
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 5:25 pm: |
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It's not a question of well funded emergency personnel. It's a question of whether there will ever be a terrisits attack in many of the places that received homneland security funding. And it's a question of whether the rationale used to reduce NYC's funding makes sense. People keep coming back to the line item that indicated that NYC had no national monuments or icons. Would any rational, reasonable adult agree with this?
And you chastise Sbenois for making fun, saying it indicates he is a smaller man. Yet you come on this board solely to make fun. What does it say about you? |
Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 933
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 6:39 pm: |
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Southerner--
Why do you think there is a finite pool of money for homeland security? If other places need more, give them more...but it doesn't follow that New York would suddenly need less. Unless you can prove there is less of a threat in NY than there was the last time these funds were doled out, than the protection of New York's citizens and emergency workers are being needlessly jeopardized.
Anyone who would thinks concern for the wellbeing of policemen, firemen, EMS workers, and average people is "snobbery" is almost too dumb to even exist on this planet. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15111
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 7:10 pm: |
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Dearest Southerner,
I can assure you that I am not bitter in the least. I can also assure you that my objectivity is still well intact. That's exactly the reason why I found your post to be so utterly insulting. Many of us up here in the metropolitan area- even those among us who are moderates and conservatives - work or visit many of the buildings that have been mentioned by the BUSH administration and Homeland Security as terrorist targets. I personally worked in one of those buildings for nearly 13 years.
So your assertion that New Yorkers are crybabies because we expect a share of the funds that is commensurate to the threats, is wholly unacceptable to me. Forgive me for taking my President at his word when he said that he was going to protect this city and DC and the people who live here.
And it's my understanding that his promise was not extended based upon the political affiliation of his listeners.
Is your understanding different? |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14608
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |
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sbenois is much bigger than you think, Southerner. Trust me.
And it's a first initial and a last name. S is the initial. Benois (pronounced "ben WAH") is the last name. The 'e' is not between the 's' and the 'b'.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2146
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 7:27 pm: |
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I can't be bothered worrying about someone who calls us "crybabies." Us crybabies get up every morning and travel to buildings that are probably on some terrorist's hit list. We know it, and we still get up and do it every day. If you're driving to some anonymous office park in Alpharetta, I doubt you have to give a second thought to such things. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 8:45 pm: |
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Rastro,
Are you saying the only places that should receive money are NYC, Wash DC, and Oklahoma City?
Seb,
Fine, take all the money. Everyone knows NYC is the only place that matters. No one else needs well equipped emergency response personnel. I stand corrected.
Reingold,
I've been spelling Seb's name like this from the beginning and he has never had an issue with it and you haven't either. I guess when you have no way of defending your position you like many posters have to resort to those type of "observations".
Madden,
How much does NYC need? They've been getting the most since 9/11 and rightfully so, but don't you think at some point the money should be spread around? This issue really shows how you so called smart and fair New York libs really think. You are only fair when you are doling out the crumbs.
And yes, I think this is hilarious. You guys are acting like you are getting nothing. You are still getting more than anyone else. The rest of the country is watching and this is a nice pre-election honest look at the so call level handed liberals at their best. Give me, give me, give me.
Lastly,
Seb, to stay with your commensurate line of thinking, are you saying if there are no threats against NYC this year that the funds should be cut to zero? Something tells me you guys would cry even louder if that happened even if no threat existed. I'm sure you nice northeast libs will be begging DHS to move funds from your account if an attack happens in Milwaukee or Topeka. Your piece of pie is the biggest and you still want to take away the pieces from the little kids. Pathetic, but expected from you. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15114
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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NYC is under a constant threat. Topeka is not. Your question is silly.
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Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 934
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 10:47 pm: |
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Southerner--
Re-read my post, make an attempt to comprehend it this time, and answer the question I posed. You can't possibly be as dumb as you're coming across in this thread. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1117
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:15 am: |
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I love this even more now. There is a term for you, it is called a homer. Seb has now reached the level of the rest of you. Let me translate "constant threat" means give us more money every year for ever and screw everyone else! I get it Seb. You guys are just upset because other governors and mayors have now entered the fray for the money. You guys are truly myopic and pathetic. Give me, give me, give me, give me, give me. That is the mantra for you libs. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1408
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:35 am: |
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SOutherner, just for the record - NYC and its metropolitan area funds most of the the rest of the country. The money that goes out of this area does not come back in equal parts.
For someone who has such vitriol for NY and NJ, I suggest you just dont take the money we send YOU. It is you who are the give me, not us. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3313
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 9:34 am: |
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Sloutherner, I don't know where you get from my post that NYC, DC and OK City are the only places that should receive funding. But does Kentucky really need funding to protect bingo parlors from terrorists? It is obvious that this funding was given out as pork and payback for support. One would have hoped that something like national security could transcend this kind of pandering.
Even you, in many posts, have joked about how when "the next terrorist attack hits NY or DC," blah blah blah... So even you, in your narrow minded way of looking at things, recognized that we are at greater risk. Yet you don't see the need to maintain funding for programs that were set up to stop or mitigate attacks.
Now your definition of a Lib is anyone from the Northeast, apparently. Because it is not just Democrats who are incredulous at this funding cut. Every single politician, Democrat and Republican alike, is upset about this cut. The only people who are not upset (or at least bothered by it) are online personas and people who live outside the major metropolitan areas. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3314
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 9:37 am: |
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"You guys are truly myopic and pathetic. Give me, give me, give me, give me, give me. "
Ah, the irony of someone from a region that is a net-receiver of funds from the Feds claiming WE are the ones looking to suck at the Federal teat. |
Robert Livingston
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Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1936
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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Even Giuliani took a swipe at the Bush admin by calling this decision "incompetent." When Bush loses Giuliani you know something is terribly effed up. |
Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 935
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Uh oh...the SouthernerBot 2000 appears to be malfunctioning:
"I LOVE THIS--BEEEEEP!"
"I LOVE THIS--BEEEEEP!"
"YOU LIBS--BEEEEEEEEP!"
"MUST CONTINUE TO OBFUSCATE--UNABLE TO JUSTIFY APPALLINGLY IGNORANT STATEMENTS--SYSTEM FAILURE--BEEEEEP!"
Time for a reboot. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1118
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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Guys, this is great. I keep stirring the pot and you keep responding. You are my puppets. And please do keep the checks coming. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5055
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 6:46 pm: |
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Talking to you is like trying to nail jello to the wall. Are you here to make a point, or are you here to stir the pot? Because you can't do both.
Go back to Gooberstan, count the dogs sleeping under the porch attached to your trailer or something, and leave us alone. |
3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 230
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 7:43 pm: |
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I work in downtown Elizabeth between the Airport and Port Newark. The Star Ledger had an article a couple of months back about it being the most dangerous place in the country. Whether that's true or not, any terrorist incident in New York is probably going to affect me, so I would like to see them get sufficient funding for security, etc.
I just have this sinking feeling though, that defending against a terrorist incident is like trying to keep your car from being stolen. No matter what you do, if someone really wants to steal your car.........
Cheers
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1119
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:49 pm: |
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I made my point with my first post. The rest were simpy to stir.
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sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15132
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 11:22 pm: |
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Quote:I love this even more now. There is a term for you, it is called a homer. Seb has now reached the level of the rest of you. Let me translate "constant threat" means give us more money every year for ever and screw everyone else! I get it Seb. You guys are just upset because other governors and mayors have now entered the fray for the money. You guys are truly myopic and pathetic. Give me, give me, give me, give me, give me. That is the mantra for you libs.
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notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3402
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 11:50 pm: |
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And all this time, the problem that othe right-wingers have had with libs is that we're always saying "give to THEM, give to THEM, give to THEM."
Maybe y'all can work it out amongst yourselves. |
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