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Dave
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like some neo-conservatives are catching up with reality.


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NEOCONSERVATISM, AT least as a powerful movement bearing that name, now looks moribund. The mortal blow may well be seen in the future to have been delivered by the defection of neoconservatism's last truly distinguished intellectual, Francis Fukuyama, and the shattering critique of neoconservatism delivered in his new book, America at the Crossroads. Fukuyama declares:

"Whatever its complex roots, neoconservatism has now become inevitably linked to concepts like preemption, regime change, unilateralism, and benevolent hegemony as put into practice by the Bush administration. Rather than attempting the feckless task of reclaiming the meaning of the term, it seems to me better to abandon the label and articulate an altogether distinct foreign policy position."

Until 2002, Fukuyama was closely identified with the neoconservative movement and in particular the related Project for a New American Century (PNAC). He was a signatory to several PNAC public statements, including one from 1998 accusing President Clinton of having "capitulated" to Saddam Hussein and calling on the United States to do everything necessary to remove him from power in Iraq. In America at the Crossroads, Fukuyama suggests regret for that signature but says that "an American invasion of Iraq was not then in the cards, however, and would not be until the events of September 11, 2001."

Nonetheless, on September 20, 2001, Fukuyama signed another public PNAC letter declaring, "even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq." This statement also called for the War on Terror to target Hizballah, and for U.S. "retaliation" against Iran and Syria if they failed to break off support for that organization. In other words, this document was an early introduction to all the key strategic errors later committed by the Bush Administration in the War on Terror.

In the course of 2002, however, Fukuyama took part in a study on long-term U.S. strategy in the War on Terror: "It was at this point that I finally decided the war [with Iraq] didn't make any sense", he writes in America at the Crossroads. He also began to think through his wider differences with the neoconservative movement. As a result of this analysis, Fukuyama takes issue in his new book with the now-widespread excuse of neoconservatives and liberal hawks that the disasters in Iraq have been the result of unpredictably incompetent execution by the Bush Administration, rather than of the ideas that led to war:

"[These] abstract ideas were interpreted in certain characteristic ways that might better be described as mindsets or worldviews rather than principled positions. The prudential choices that flowed from these mindsets were biased in certain consistent directions that made them, when they proved to be wrong, something more than individual errors of judgment."

In the book he also accurately identifies three main areas of biased judgment with regard to Iraq on the part of the administration and its supporters: exaggerated threat assessment; indifference to international public opinion, leading to underestimation of the damage that the global backlash against the war would do to American interests; and "wild over-optimism" concerning America's ability to pacify, reconstruct and reshape Iraq after the initial conquest. It was above all these errors of judgment, Fukuyama says, that led to his break with the neoconservatives.




http://www.nationalinterest.org/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publ ications::Article&mid=1ABA92EFCD8348688A4EBEB3D69D33EF&tier=4&id=FB9DC26066E249D 8BF197A5D9AC067EB
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Strawberry
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Fukuyama says, that led to his break with the neoconservatives."

That and his desire to write what he hopes is a best selling books that libs will go out and buy. Anything anti-Bush, they love to waste their money on..

libs.
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Dave
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's what people are saying about The National Interest (note: hardly liberal readership)


Conservative Realism at its Best.
Newt Gingrich

Americas most stimulating journal of opinion. Nothing as good exists here.
Peregrine Worsthorne, the London Spectator

The most topical and entertaining journal in its field.
John OSullivan, editor-at-large, National Review

I recommend The National Interest everywhere. I think it is the required reading for people interested in foreign affairs.
Anthony Hartley, former editor, Encounter

Has invigorated the whole stable of foreign policy journals. The National Interest was established and foreign policy became readable again.
National Review

Features a remarkably original set of contributors who pay little heed to tired shibboleths.
The Nation

Here wit and sophistication are as much the key as valuable original opinion. . . . The National Interest has skyrocketed to the top among opinion journals.
The Library Journal

The most stimulating quarterly on the most vital matters.
George Will, syndicated columnist
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Dave
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A few more readers


"The National Interest is essential reading for all those who follow international affairs. It is cogent, authoritative and stimulating: full of ideas and arguments which challenge, as well as inform, the reader. I commend it most highly."
Lady Thatcher, former British Prime Minister

You cannot pretend to understand the American foreign policy debate if you do not read it.
Charles William Maynes, former editor, Foreign Policy; president, The Eurasia Foundation

I write in gratitude and awe. You keep producing one brilliant issue after another.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

One of the two most influential magazines in the field of foreign policy today.
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations

Intellectual combat of the highest order.
Strobe Talbott, former Deputy Secretary of State

By far the most penetrating and insightful journal of foreign affairs. It takes the long view and is caught up neither in the latest fads nor foreign policy political correctness.
James Schlesinger, former U.S. Secretary of Defense

Where you find the leading edge of conservative thought on foreign affairs.
Charles Krauthammer, syndicated columnist

The best of its kind.
Hugh Trevor-Roper (Lord Dacre), historian

The most intelligent realist voice in foreign policy debates.
Andrew Sullivan, senior editor, The New Republic

One of a small number of serious journals that set the terms of political debate in Washington. . . . Frequently entertaining, occasionally exasperating, and always provocative.
former Congressman Stephen Solarz

The most stimulating and intelligent of all the foreign affairs journalsand by far the best-written.
Noel Malcolm, author, Kosovo: A Short History

With its discussion of international politics in the context of history, philosophy, and literature, The National Interest is doing for classical realism what the New York Review of Books does for liberal humanism.
Robert D. Kaplan, bestselling author

The National Interest is the best foreign policy journal around. It is the journal I always reach for. It takes establishment foreign policy and puts it through a wringer.
Berlin Bureau Chief, Newsweek
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there's absolutely no accounting for what books idiot Americans will buy.
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Strawberry
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coulter is unique in that she manages to get libs to buy her books. The only people who care about what she has to say are libs..Republicans like myself really don't have time for dopes like Coulter, Franken Michael Moore etc.

Just another reason why we (Republicans) dominate the American political landscape..

libs.
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tom
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Conservatives like Straw used to buy books, but when they found that they didn't work as well as rocks and sticks they gave them up. What other explanation could there be for the fact that Fukayama couldn't sell books to conservatives before, so he has to go after liberals now?

Now please excuse me while I go laugh myself silly at the notion that liberals are buying up Coulter's books!
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notehead
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 1:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hang on a second...

Fukuyama says "an American invasion of Iraq was not then in the cards, however, and would not be until the events of September 11, 2001"

What the heck is this "intellectual" talking about?!
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dougw
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 1:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought Milton Freidman was our number one intellectual?
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dave23
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 2:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, Straw, but he/she (Coulter) is all yours.
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Dave
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 2:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please don't change this to a topic about about Culter and book sales.


Dougw,

As the leading exponent of the superiority of voluntary action over coercion, I don't think Mr. Friedman falls into the neo-con camp.
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DougW--we could only wish that the current admin and congressional leadership worshipped at the altar of Milton Friedman.

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