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S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1766
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 3:28 pm: | 
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one big collective "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" for the cut and run Dems...
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! 
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/060622173912.9sb885gu.html |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 118
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 3:32 pm: |
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So the "keep us there forever" Republicans think playing politics with our national security is a joke…is it me or does the right just look pathetic anymore?
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5150
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 3:33 pm: |
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Quote:There is no issue more important than war. The war in Iraq is the defining issue on which this Congress and the administration will be judged. The American people want to see serious debate about serious issues from serious leaders. They deserve more than a political debate. This debate should transcend cynical attempts to turn public frustration with the war in Iraq into an electoral advantage. It should be taken more seriously than to simply retreat into focus-group tested buzz words and phrases like “cut and run,” catchy political slogans that debase the seriousness of war. War’s not a partisan issue, Mr. President. It should not be held hostage to political agendas. War should not be drug down into the political muck. America deserves better. Our men and women fighting and dying deserve better.
--Chuck Hegel, R-NE |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1961
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 3:34 pm: |
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Good for you, SLK. Plenty more time to figure out how you'd like to participate over there. Lots of options to consider. But I'm certain since you're such an avid supporter of the war that you feel it's your duty to serve it somehow. I'm sure of it because otherwise you'd be a cowa...well, there are names I could use but I don't want to go there yet. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11914
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 3:45 pm: |
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All wars are wars of attrition. WWII was determined on December 7, 1941. The United States could produce ships, planes, tanks and troops faster than the Axis could destroy them while Germany, Japan and Italy didn't have that luxury.
In Iraq things are just the reverse. Al Qaeda and the insurgency can produce fighters faster than we are willing to kill them, because we don't have the witherwal to spend the money and the lives to reverse the equation with more boots on the ground. Oddly, I think Bush and Company understand this which is why they are hoping for a political solution. However, in spite of Iraq finally being able to put together a government I don't think politics alone is going to change the equation.
Bush and his advisors are very good at slogans and manipulating public opinion with phrases such as "cut and run" and "strong leader". However, in the end they are the ones who lack the character to either more troops and cash or look to a planned withdrawal and transfer of security to the Iraqis.
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Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1962
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 3:48 pm: |
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Too true, BobK. The other problem is that too many pansies in this country get all blustery talking about waging this war and knocking Democrats, but when it comes right down to it they would never consider, for whatever lame reasons, putting on some boots and heading over there to advance the cause. Must not be a truly worthy cause. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 950
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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A majority of those polled, 53 percent, said the United States should set a timetable from withdrawing from Iraq; 41 percent were opposed.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/16/bush.poll/index.html
The Republican party...hopelessly out of step with America. |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 119
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 4:37 pm: |
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The Republican Party
"Hopelessly Out Of Step"
Their plan is to keep us there forever.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1168
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 7:22 pm: |
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Hopelessly out of step - until we get more votes. |
S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1767
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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ae35unit/madden-
Funny, the Republicans are out of step bu they seem to keep winnning elections.
Why is that?
Congress spoke, respect it.
-SLK
RL, if I go "over there" to fight, who is going to protect your wussy ••• back here? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5152
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 9:48 pm: |
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Republicans haven't won an election in almost two years. Things have changed, and we don't have to respect anyone who isn't earning it. |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 121
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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SLK
because they steal elections, the vote today against the voter rights act is all about that, and you know it
whoever you are, your not a true American |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 336
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:03 pm: |
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As you by now know, I support our leader in his effort to make us safer by bringing democracy to Iraq so they can vote to have all their women wear burkas and find more useless, out of date WMD's.
Now many of my conservative comrades who contibute to M.O.L have up to now been limiting their support of the war effort by joining the "101st.Fighting Keyboarder's Brigade." (Better known as the Fighting Flying Fingers).
They clearly do this out of patriotism. We all know they would join the army or marines but like our vice president, they might have better things to do. Besides its not easy to find the recruiting office. To solve this problem, I am offering to drive any of my fellow conservative war supporters to the recruiting office at my time and expense. I will even take you in the T-bird with the top down or up if its raining--your choice.
And guess what. The war was over so quickly that many of my fellow patriots didn't even get a chance to fire anything at the Republican Guard. To make up for the lost opportunity, Rumsfeld has gotten the army to raise the maximum age for enlisting to 42.
Since the mission has already been accomplished, there won't be much for you to do over there but enjoy the sun and sand -- kinda like at Point Pleasant. So whadaya say?
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1551
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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AS Southerner said, the Repubs will start to cut & run, to win votes this Nov. I hate to say it, but Southerner may be spot on. |
Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 1968
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:47 pm: |
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To quote Churchill:
"Battles are won by slaughter and manoeuvre. The greater the general the more he contributes in manoeuvre, the less he demands in slaughter. The theory which has exalted by battle of 'wearing down' into a foremost position, is contradicted by history and would be repulsed by the great captains of the past. Nearly all the battles which are regarded as masterpieces of military art, from which have been derived the foundations of states and the fame of commanders, have been battles of manoeuvre ... It is because military leaders are credited with gifts of this order which enable them to ensure victory and save slaughter that their profession is held in such high honour. For if their art were nothing more than a dreary process of exchanging lives, and counting heads at the end, they would rank much lower in the scale of human esteem."
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S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1771
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 8:02 am: |
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a35unit-
And you are paranoid. So you sit idley by as elections are "stolen?"
What kind of American does that make you?
Revolt or Shutup.
-SLK |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1542
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 8:52 am: |
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SLK - again you have nothing to offer. AE (Hal?) made his point but you are again looking past it.
Revolt or Shutup might make a good slogan for you but it has no substance. You dont know what he does outside of this message board. You dont know if he is spreading his message nor do you know how he is trying to make a change. He might be a member of the DNC or of Moveon.org or of Black box voting.org. You dont know.
The fact that you think its a paranoid issue shows you to be a true believer. You do not look critically at the information that has been provided to you here and in your newspapers. You look past fact to republican propaganda and call that fact.
Its sad to think that there are still people out there that can not think for themselves. Maybe the election wasnt fixed, but the trail of evidence leads me to believe that it was fixed. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2180
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 9:12 am: |
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how about your definition for "revolt?" does that include contributing to causes and candidates, writing letters, going to rallies or demonstrations, working for candidates, etc? or is it narrowly defined as taking up armed resistance or engaging in civil disobedience? |
S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1772
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 9:35 am: |
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Hoops-
And what exactly are you doing about all these stolen elections taking place?
BTW, hating everything Republican is not, as you call it, "thinking for [yourself]." You came into this game as biased as they come.
-SLK |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1543
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 9:54 am: |
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biased? no if the republicans do something I agree with I will let you know. Right now they are eliminating my rights to due process, my rights to be free of illegal search and seizure, have taken my tax dollars and gone to war against a people who have done nothing to harm my country thereby wasting the money and killing in my name, they have intalled a huge beaurocracy known as the faith based initiatives something or other that gives my money to religious groups of nefarious repute who are wasting my money, they have systematically reduced support for programs like head start and college loans, lunch programs and reduced funding for police. I could go on and on. Every policy that the republicans have promoted have been either for them to continue to consolidate their party or to enrich the already wealthy.
biased? ok I am biased enough to vote for things that are in my self-interest. I want programs for people who are less fortunate then myself so that these people can live with some comfort and dignity. I prefer that to drugs and crime that replaces these things. I want school funding that enables my children to attend classes that have a manageable class size. I want a health care bill that is not a sell out to major drug companies and hmos.
I want a country that is able to respond to disasters, natural or man-made, with efficiency and caring. I want science to rule in matters of health and not religion.
there is plenty to be angry about with these republican leaders. I want a congress where all voices are allowed to be heard, where oversight of the executive branch is done and accountability for how my tax dollars are spent is done to make sure that corruption is minimized.
I am active in organizations that want similar things as me.
What are you doing to prevent these things from happening SLK - besides supporting these horrible people in congress? |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 606
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 9:57 am: |
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First and foremost, they eliminated your right to free speech.
What a shame.
You have so much to offer.
jd |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1545
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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thanks jd. you do too. |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 122
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:18 am: |
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Cut and run? How about cutting the deficit and running the government. Republicans: the party of no accountability.
S.L.K.- how do you know I'm not revolting?
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S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1773
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:28 am: |
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Ok Hoops,
Tell me one Republican position you agree with?
-SLK |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1546
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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I agree we should have invaded Afghanistan to get at the al Qaeda leadership.
Heres another
HR 1298, UNITED STATES LEADERSHIP AGAINST HIV/AIDS, TUBERCULOSIS, AND MALARIA ACT OF 2003. Implements the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, which will dramatically expand the fight against AIDS across the globe.
Did they fully fund that one? I think there is some issue in there about abstinence instead of birth control so it is probably self defeating but their hearts were in the right place.
There are many little ones where localities were aided that are good but in general your party is misguided and misled.
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1557
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 1:03 pm: |
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Dont forget about that preserve around Hawaii.
And... a balanced Budget....
Talking to your main strategic opponents, Like Nixon did with the USSR & China.
Protecting out drinking water, Like Nixon did with the Clean Water Act.
Protecting our Air, Like Nixon did with the Clean Air Act.
Supporting Labor Unions, like Nixon did.
Supporting occupational saftey. Like Nixon did with OSHA.
Protecting the Enviroment. Like Nixon did with the EPA
Finally realizing Viet Nam was really stupid, and then pulling out, like Nixon did. Albeit way too late. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3490
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 3:23 pm: |
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Classic neocon thread... it's all about soundbites and strawmen with them. Never about facts or planning or consequences. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1173
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 7:17 pm: |
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Notey,
We don't think for ourselves. Please don't tell me you are still looking for facts from us? You have over 3,000 posts. You know we are drones, yet you act constantly amazed. Are you that dense or have a memory problem? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2181
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
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many a truth is spoken in jest. |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 124
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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This sequence really sums up the state we're in:
from Notehead- "Classic neocon thread... it's all about sound bites and straw men with them. Never about facts or planning or consequences."
from da Southanahh..- "We don't think for ourselves. Please don't tell me you are still looking for facts from us? You have over 3,000 posts. You know we are drones, yet you act constantly amazed. Are you that dense or have a memory problem?"
from the Doctor- "many a truth is spoken in jest."
Noteheads comment is right on the money.
Southerner's bit throws up more strawmen to shoot down, and attacks Notehead, Please don't tell me you are still looking for facts from us? translation: you're so weak and stupid, you actually expect us to fight fair??
You have over 3,000 posts. translation: you're really stupid, at least Straw posts with multiple names
You know we are drones - another strawman to shoot down
yet you act constantly amazed. Are you that dense or have a memory problem?- insult, smear, avoidance of the actual conversation, insidiously insinuates that Notehead is without teh balz, not a patriot, weak on defense
many a truth is spoken in jest- dude, Dr., it's not in jest, Southerner and his ilk want to see America fail so they can say they were right, government doesn't work.
Seriously, why would they so avidly back an administration that's taking us to the brink.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1175
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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AE,
You must get paid by the hour. Then again, you are a typical liberal who believes they are so superior that they know what is going on in other posters mind. You are an absolute genius.
My simple point to notehead is, if as he believes us neo-cons are all idiots who can not think for ourselves, why is he so amazed with our posts and why does he respond with amazement time and time again? Does he think we are going to change?
As for your strawman argument. I am not making one. I am a drone. I am a drone for what I believe is right for this country. Unlike the libs, I don't run from labels as long as I know I am right. Call me a drone, a neo-con, a right wing nut, it's all good to me. I know I am right and I will continue to espouse those views regardless of labels. You can call me a lib as well. What I really don't understand is why libs on this board take offense when I call them libs. What is up with that? In my mind, the term lib is not offensive just like neo-con is not offensive. If you are a lib and believe in the lib philosophy then why run from the term and berate me for using the term? I have libs in my own family and they certainly don't run screaming from this label. |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 126
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 5:51 pm: |
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Democrats = scoundels
From another thread, someone is calling us scoundels. Scoundels?
Southerner, even you'd run from someone calling you a "scoundel" |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
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AE,
I didn't title that thread. I rarely resort to name calling unless you think lib is a derogatory term. And if someone calls me a scoundel (first I'd have to look it up, sp?) but if it was used to describe my beliefs then I wouldn't run away. I'd embrace it. I've been called far worse on this board and in "private" emails. I am at peace with my beliefs and convictions. An anonymous message board isn't going to scare or dissuade me. This is pure entertainment I enjoy in between the Daily Show and sports. |
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