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     John Caffrey Citizen Username: Jerseyjack Post Number: 341 Registered: 11-2005 |
I remember the scenario on the lieberal P.B.S. series on John Adams when Ben Franklin was shown a letter written by Adams that was intercepted. Franklin responded, "Gentlemen never read the private correspondence of other gentlemen." Now it seems that the Democrats have intercepted the Republican plans for Iraq and posted them on Democratic Underground under the heading, "Democrats Intercept Republicans' Plans on Iraq." Have they no honor? | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1559 Registered: 9-2004 |
WOW, that is cool, I will go have a look. "Democrats Intercept Republicans' Plans on Iraq." was the title of the thread? | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1560 Registered: 9-2004 |
LOL, somebody in the Senate has a real sense of humor, thats real funny. Heres the DU link... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364 &topic_id=1493385 Heres the link to the Republican plan: http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/BushRepublicanPlanonIraq.pdf | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4427 Registered: 12-2001  |
In order for this to be true, the Republicans would have to have a plan for Iraq - other than the one where Peter Pan and Tinkerbell show up and make everything OK. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1561 Registered: 9-2004 |
From the Press Conference:  | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1562 Registered: 9-2004 |
Tjohn please check out the PDF: http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/BushRepublicanPlanonIraq.pdf | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 9975 Registered: 4-1997  |
They obviously stole the plan from the South Orange Board of Trustees. | ||
| Spinal Tap Citizen Username: Spinaltap11 Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2006  |
FYI: http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_national_strategy_20051130.pdf | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1778 Registered: 10-2005  |
SOMA liberal losers, See below in bold: pro·jec·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-jkshn) n. The act of projecting or the condition of being projected. A thing or part that extends outward beyond a prevailing line or surface: spiky projections on top of a fence; a projection of land along the coast. A plan for an anticipated course of action: “facilities [that] are vital to the projection of U.S. force... in the Pacific” (Alan D. Romberg). A prediction or an estimate of something in the future, based on present data or trends. The process of projecting a filmed image onto a screen or other viewing surface. An image so projected. Mathematics. The image of a geometric figure reproduced on a line, plane, or surface. A system of intersecting lines, such as the grid of a map, on which part or all of the globe or another spherical surface is represented as a plane surface. Psychology. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: “Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projectionof clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field” (Alex Shoumatoff). The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt. "cut and run" is not a plan, as illustrated by the recent Congressional votes. -SLK | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5156 Registered: 5-2001 |
Do you have a good definition for "armchair psychiatry"? And no, "cut and run" isn't a plan; it's a slogan for Republicans unable to think for themselves in any kind of depth. What exactly was it in the thing the Republicans passed that looked like a "plan" to you? It looked like a bunch of "boo-rah" to me. Just in case you need a reference, here is the entire text of the Resolution:
Again, if there's anything that looks like a "plan" here, I've apparently missed it. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1566 Registered: 9-2004 |
How do you project "stay the course" ?.... Seems like you are projecting being a loser..... | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2068 Registered: 3-2004 |
Ok, SLK! You "got me." I and maybe 275 million Americans, 65 million Brits, and the coalition of the bewildered stand stock still and agape at your ability to spot the very term and concept in the dictionary that encapsulates the whole Iraq problem. It's got to be about "cut and run." It can never be about "we'll stand down when the Iraqis stand up," whatever that means, nor can it ever be about the lamebrained, slap-happy, gutless, plan-forsaken upper echelon White House con job that has made Iraq into Humpty Dumpty. The administration's only plan is to invent a plan (invent---from the Latin invenire, which means to stumble upon). Its manic preoccupation with Iraq is a key reason why Iran and North Korea have become such thorny problems, and why the US enjoys such low credibility in the world community. The best the administration can do, however, is to try to put the scare back into us by swooping down on a dozen hapless amateurs in Miami and Chicago and parading them in front of the press as though our forces had just eradicated all of al Qaeda. What a colossal farce! And shame on you for using cheap, pop psychology in your random walk through the dictionary (maybe your first one) to provide your point of view. If that's your view of what's going on in this country, you must be living on another planet. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1782 Registered: 10-2005 |
tom- and your plan is? -SLK Inny- if you don't like the current administration then do something about it instead of whining on an internet board. -SLK | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1568 Registered: 9-2004 |
SLK: "if you don't like the current administration then do something about it instead of whining on an internet board." I do both & more, whine, bitch, moan & work with DEMs running for the House. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1784 Registered: 10-2005 |
FOJ- All due respect my friend but I was talking to Innyboy...who by the way took my "SOMA liberal loser" comment hook line and sinker (the big "i"ndependent he claims to be)... -SLK | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1571 Registered: 9-2004 |
SLK, ya I know, but I just wanna stick my liberal 2 cents in... I realize you and Inny have a special relationship, that transends the miles between you........ LOL.... | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2071 Registered: 3-2004 |
SLK: Frankly, I didn't give your "SOMA liberal loser" utterance any notice. What I commented on was your convenient, though in my opinion inane and rambling, dictionary citation (nice and theoretical, as your posts always are). At the same time, the truth of what's happening in Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and with this administration's witless attempts at running a country, escapes you. It doesn't matter what side of the political chamber either of us sits on. What matters is reality, and reality seems to have escaped your notice. I was just pointing that out. By the way, how are things on Pluto? or wherever it is that you hang your hat and your awareness? because it certainly isn't on this planet. | ||
| Spinal Tap Citizen Username: Spinaltap11 Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2006 |
FYI: http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/ayeariniraq.html | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1572 Registered: 9-2004 |
Restored electricity..... not yet Restored oil production..... not yet Restored colleges..... not yet Restored hospitals..... not yet Got a civil war started, YUP, Lots of ethinic claensing too. SUnnis dieing all over. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1177 Registered: 2-2004 |
Some posters want reality. Here's reality. Fix your own party before you tell others what's wrong with theirs. And then win something for heavens sake. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1785 Registered: 10-2005 |
Innisowen- Run for Prez and show us how its done... -SLK | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1787 Registered: 10-2005 |
Some posters want reality. Here's reality. Fix your own party before you tell others what's wrong with theirs. And then win something for heavens sake. Beautifully put, Southerner. Let's spray paint these words of wisdom on the walls of SOMA. -SLK | ||
| Spinal Tap Citizen Username: Spinaltap11 Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2006 |
Electricity: http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/accomplishments/electricity.html Oil: Unfortunately, oil production is still below pre-war levels and has actually declined slightly from last year but it should be considered that the high point of Iraqi oil production was in 1990. Its been in steady decline since then. Colleges: http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/accomplishments/education.html Hospitals: http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/accomplishments/health.html Ethnic Cleansing: http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/pdf/iraq_mass_graves.pdf | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2812 Registered: 6-2002 |
Fix your own party before you tell others what's wrong with theirs. How about fix your own country before you invade others to fix them. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2813 Registered: 6-2002 |
Next time the Republicans introduce a resolution such as the one above the Dems should not oppose it. They should seek to amend it by adding something like the following: "Therefore the House of Representatives urges the President to triple (quadruple) (increase by tenfold) the number of troops in Iraq, reinstituting the Draft if necessary, in order to assure swift and complete victory." I have serious doubts as to whether the Bush Administration really wants to win the War. if they really want to win, why don't they go all out? Maybe what they would really like is to lose, but in a way where they can blame the Democrats. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2072 Registered: 3-2004 |
Well, nice idea, anon, about the draft. However, reinstituting the draft would create inconvenient situations for those members of Congress and the administration who are all too willing to send YOUR sons and daughters to Iraq, but whose own sons and daughters are conspicuously absent from the fight. As for those masters of logic above who respond "fix your party" to any comment about the current administration's dismal performance record in its key programs, "keeping our country safe and secure," and managing our fisc, we can award the Master of Non-Sequitur medal, probably the only medal these guys will ever see. You masters of logic and winners of the Non-Sequitur medal with poison ivy leaf cluster should spend a few moments reading Richard Viguerie's comments about the current administration's performance record. If you don't know who he is, you can always google him. Here's a tidbit from Viguerie's article of May 21, 2006: not the whole article, just a selection from midpoint: "In 2004, Republican leaders pleaded with conservatives -- particularly religious conservatives -- to register people to vote and help them turn out on Election Day. Those efforts strengthened Republicans in Congress and probably saved the Bush presidency. We were told: Just wait till the second term. Then, the president, freed of concern over reelection and backed by a Republican Congress, would take off the gloves and fight for the conservative agenda. Just wait. We're still waiting. Sixty-five months into Bush's presidency, conservatives feel betrayed. After the "Bridge to Nowhere" transportation bill, the Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination and the Dubai Ports World deal, the immigration crisis was the tipping point for us. Indeed, a Washington Post-ABC News poll found last week that Republican disapproval of Bush's presidency had increased from 16 percent to 30 percent in one month. It is largely the defection of conservatives that is driving the president's poll numbers to new lows. Emboldened and interconnected as never before by alternative media, such as talk radio and Internet blogs, many conservatives have concluded that the benefits of unwavering support for the GOP simply do not, and will not, outweigh the costs. The main cause of conservatives' anger with Bush is this: He talked like a conservative to win our votes but never governed like a conservative. For all of conservatives' patience, we've been rewarded with the botched Hurricane Katrina response, headed by an unqualified director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which proved that the government isn't ready for the next disaster. We've been rewarded with an amnesty plan for illegal immigrants. We've been rewarded with a war in Iraq that drags on because of the failure to provide adequate resources at the beginning, and with exactly the sort of "nation-building" that Candidate Bush said he opposed." | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1573 Registered: 9-2004 |
Great idea Southerner: "Fix your own party". -DO YOU have a fixxin plan? -Does any "R" member of Congress have a fixxin plan? -Or does any RNC member have a fixxin plan? GOtta give you the winning of elections though, you guys go that down. Just that the rest of the Governing part seems to be a bit of a problem. And thats what people want .... do some damn governing.... and the Cons might get re-elected in Nov. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5157 Registered: 5-2001 |
Southerner, do y'all think that just because you won two years ago you can sit on your ••• and not do anything? Don't lecture us about fixing the party; your guys are in charge, so fix the war, fix the economy, fix the budget, fix New Orleans, fix energy policy. That's what your guys were elected to do. Winning an election is only the beginning. Get to work. And not on flag-burning amendments or gay marriage, either. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 764 Registered: 4-2006 |
What REALLY freaked me out about the dems is that Ted Kennedy got a Portuguese WATER dog. Teddy must be planning some heavy partying if the dems get the majority again.  | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1580 Registered: 9-2004 |
Right on Tom: "Don't lecture us about fixing the party; your guys are in charge, so fix the war, fix the economy, fix the budget, fix New Orleans, fix energy policy. That's what your guys were elected to do." | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1792 Registered: 10-2005 |
anon-I agree, lets fix the country but by no means with liberal policies. They cause more problems than solutions. It is interesting how you Dems are all the sudden the isolationists, a stance taken by the GOP for many years. tom/foj- What is wrong with the economy? You are right about the budget, the GOP should be ashamed about this. But part of fixing the budget is to control govt. spending which both sides of the aisle seem to have no problem doing. Fix New Orleans? Ummmm, nope. What do you expect Bush to do other the send cash (which already happened)? It is up to Blanco/Nagin....scary thought...hoe pathetic Nagin got voted back in... Energy policy....if you say so....haven't followed it much... The last time I checked US govt is made up of both the GOP AND Democrats. I hope you are expecting the latter to chip in and do their part instead of whining about Bush all the time? FVF-and rumor has it, the drunk named this dog Splash! WTF.... | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5163 Registered: 5-2001 |
What's wrong with the economy is that our current course is unsustainable. We can't keep running trillion dollar budget and trade deficits. Our energy policy is also unsustainable. Digging more stuff up and burning it faster is a policy that only benefits the diggers. Check out Ben Stein's piece in today's Times' business section. He calls on Paulson to get taxes raised. Of course, most conservatives today would sooner kill and eat the elderly than raise taxes to support Social Security and Medicare, let alone operations. Since cutting spending is obviously not going to happen (viz: earmarking), and our rapidly growing roster of free-trading partners cuts off tarriffs as a means of revenue, taxes have to go up. Your penultimate paragraph is a hoot. The House leadership has made it perfectly clear that Democrats can't even bring something to the floor for a vote. They -- and that means the leadership, not even the GOP rank-and-file -- are calling the shots, so they bear the responsibility. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2073 Registered: 3-2004 |
Interesting how the Bush acolytes will deny reality and dig like terriers for any old bone that somehow, some way, in some perverted world order of things, could possibly be used as a last ditch rationale to justify their belief in this administration. And where they can't dig up a rationale for something, they ignore it and hope it will go away, just like their idols in the administration. I hope they will all go away--- Queen Maude's Land is the right holding pen for them. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1796 Registered: 10-2005 |
Inny- la la la la la what? Oh just telling us in yet another way how youe hate Bush. Nothing to see here folks, move along. Win an election or shutup. Revolt or shutup. Instead of revolt, you wanna lock people up...pansy.... -SLK | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2074 Registered: 3-2004 |
SLK: What manner of upbringing did you have (or being dragged up, if you will) that forces you, time after time, to tell people what to do or to shut up (that's really the way it's spelled, by the way)? You're a piece of work, that's for sure. You belong in the Bush MADministration---you obviously can't spell, it's clear you can't think straight, and you probably can't execute worth a damn, either. So you'd find a home there. And you really have a problem with opinions that don't agree with yours, perhaps because you don't form your opinions, but you get them from other people. As to Bush, I will say again--- his performance as chief executive is dismal. The majority of his appointees have been incompetent. That has nothing to do with what party he belongs to, I expect, but everything to do with his ability to judge character and competency. Real conservatives have been saying for several years that he is underperforming---- not the phoney, trumped-up, know-nothing goof-balls who provide you with your points of view, but real conservatives. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 769 Registered: 4-2006 |
One of the things that has increasingly bothered me about what the democratic party has become is how doctrinaire and incapable of independent thought it's a acolytes are. There is no complexity, nor nuance to events, policies, or issues, merely absolutism and disdain for people who don't share their "vision". I hate to say it, but the moral certainty and absolutism, as well as the smug sense of intellectual superiority reminds me greatly of the islamic fundamentalists we are fighting elsewhere in the world. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 951 Registered: 12-2003 |
FVF-- We can't be absolutists and flip-floppers at the same time. Pick a line of BS and stick with it, please. I hate to say it Yeah, I'm sure it just breaks you up. | ||
| The3ofUs Citizen Username: The3ofus Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2006 |
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| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2075 Registered: 3-2004 |
I on the other hand would compare the Islamic fundamentalists that Factvsfiction (that's a misnomer if ever I read one) mentions, with the Christian fundamentalist doctrinaire ideologues who swoon to the worst panderings of Bush, Cheney, Frist, JD Hayworth, Mitch McConnell, and Pat Roberts. If you want evidence of moral absolutism, look at those Christian fundamentalist rapture artists, please, along with the Islamic fundamentalists. If you want evidence of smug certainty that denies reality, just read Factvsfiction's post above. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1179 Registered: 2-2004 |
Foj, In reference to your three questions. I have a lot of fixes for the Democratic Party but you guys would rather continue to lose and be the whiny minority than actually win. The first thing the Dems need to do is come to the realization that they are out of touch. They haven't crossed that hurdle so they will lose in November. tom, We are. You just don't like how we are doing it. Again, I feel your pain. I was a minority in politics for years so I understand where you are coming from. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean we aren't doing it. This is where winning is kind of important at election time. And yes to my liberal friends, I love how you believe the end is near when Repubs are in charge and things are rosy when Dems are in charge. Funny how that works. You might as well get use to your minority status. And the whining continues......next...... |
