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     tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5165 Registered: 5-2001 |
No complexity? from the party that's boiled the whole Iraq debate down to the catchphrase "cut and run," who couldn't let 10 minutes go by in Autumn 2004 without crying "flip-flopper"? The party that digests the daily talking points and screams in lockstep on cable news, starting every sentence with "9/11" and ending it with "Saddam", or vice-versa? The Dems, internally, is the only place where a debate over Iraq is happening. Hastert et al just pass happy-talk resolutions. Puh-leez. I've got your nuance right here. Southerner, on the front page of today's Times is an article about how the immigration bill is dead until post-election, because the House leadership won't go along with Bush's less-punitive version. Tack that on to Social Security "reform," and tell me what it is you're doing, again? | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 770 Registered: 4-2006 |
The responses that I have received above prove my point. They are reflexive and kneejerk. No nuance, in short. I don't say republicans are better. I disagee with many republican positions, but I believe you find more people on their side capable of independent thought and questioning the ideas and attitudes of their party than you do among democrats today. My comment to Innisowen and Madden11 is that on MOL you are preaching to the choir, you will however not win nationally given the verbal extremism and lack of common sense that infests the left wing of the party today. You may or may not like Hilliary Clinton, but she has avoided the excess on Iraq and other issues because she gets it. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2077 Registered: 3-2004 |
Fvf, I guess you may not have met many of the fervent fundamentalists in this country, although you may have spent time in Muslim societies (as have I). But it seems certain you have no objection to being pandered to, by the likes of Frist, Bush, McConnell, and the others I mentioned. Not "getting" the pandering is what provokes your own knee-jerk reactions. You may or may not like Bush, but he is wrong on Iraq, has missed the boat on Iran, and totally taken his eye off the ball on North Korea, illegal immigration, ports deals, homeland security, and fiscal responsibility. His is quite a record, on the negative side of the ledger. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1798 Registered: 10-2005  |
inny- going after me on typos? geez....considering i am holding my 2 month sleeping son with one hand on my lap you cut me some slack....it explains the lack of caps.... when you are ready to acknowledge the umpteen times i mentioned what i don't like/agree about bush's policies then we will talk. for now if you feel writing me off as a bush lover by all means... when did you start working for the wh? or is that just your know-it-all personality butting in again.... -slk again innyboy, run for prez an show us how it is done.... | ||
| John Caffrey Citizen Username: Jerseyjack Post Number: 343 Registered: 11-2005 |
SLK, on your post yesterday, you said Cut and Runis not a plan. Are you now betraying our Republican ideals? I need to remind you that Cut and Run is a great strategy and we Republicans have been using it to great effect. 1. Cut and Run from the veterans who fought in this and other wars. Let them pay to fix themselves. 2. Cut and Run from the elderly with our medicare preseciption plan. They should have worked part time jobs and saved money for when they got sick. 3. Cut and Run from the elderly with Social Security reform. We ain't got this done yet, but we are still working on it. The government shouldn't be running a savings bank for poor people. 4. Cut and Run from people with medical bills who need to file for bankruptcy. It was irresponsible of them to get sick and not save for it (See #2 above.) 5. Cut and Run from the people who will pay more to make up the tax bill deficit when the estate tax is eliminated. Its their fault for being poor. As our Decider-in-Chief says, "There is a job for anyone in America that wants one." Let them get a part time job so Paris Hilton can *u#% her brains out on the internet postings. Besides, it gives me something to look forward to seeing. You need to get back in step and support our president's plan for returning American to its 18th. century ideals. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2079 Registered: 3-2004 |
SLK: You must be a delight to work with. You'd think you were the only one who ever had to work, write a report or a presentation or do any number of things while having your child/children in your lap, in your face, running around the house, breaking things... You're a mass of excuses for your own shortcomings, but I like you anyway. I've yet to see you write of any specific disagreement with the policies of the Bush that you keep saying that I hate. If you read my posts, rather than making assumptions, you would know that I object to his record of poor performance, generally poor and unfit appointees in office during his tenure, (alito and roberts being stunning exceptions, and probably Henry Paulsen, a former colleague of mine, when and if he is approved), and his continued failure to protect the borders of this country from illegal entry. Caffrey: we need to have the president sit down with John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Denis Diderot. Maybe a good dose of Voltaire would help the Prez to turn back time. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 773 Registered: 4-2006 |
Innisowen- The liklihood that christians whose views are too religious for your tastes will take over the country is the familiar fundraising "boogeyman" of democrat politics akin to what the name "Clinton" does for republican fundraising. Guess we have zero checks and balances in this country, separate branches of government, freedom of religion, etc. Get real. Nice fiction, though. Let's drop the doctrinaire democrat talking points and acknowledge the major screwups of the Clinton administration: Somalia- Led to Bin Laden's 9-11 attack and Bin Laden's belief the USA was weak and would cut and run, North Korean nuke- Superb negotiating by Billy and that "rocket scientist" Maddy Albright. Clinton's own former advisors now calling for a preemptive strike on the pending North Korean missle test, Rwanda- travesty and human outrage, Bosnia- ditto screwup, and finally Bill C.'s weak-knee'ed response to terrorism that lead to our present predicament. Take off your liberal blinders and recognize poor leadership and crappy government is bipartisan. Bush and Clinton have equal blame bud, and so do our elected reps in Congress. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1182 Registered: 2-2004 |
tom, I don't live in New York so I only read the New York Times when Reingold posts it on MOL. Of course, I can already imagine your bias that everyone should read the New York Times. The multiple times I am in New York each year, I do read the Times and chuckle at the corrections that need to be made everyday. Let alone the Blair incident. However, I agree not a whole lot is getting done. But, this is where we kind of go our separate ways. I think this is a good thing. And one thing the Repubs are definitely doing on a positive note is keeping any Democratic liberal policies from being enacted. So therefore, just having control is doing a lot of positive from where I sit. I know you disagree, but this simple act of not allowing any Democratic legislation to see the light of day is huge in my neo-con camp. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5166 Registered: 5-2001 |
well now first you say, "We are. You just don't like how we are doing it"; then you say, "I agree not a whole lot is getting done." Well which is it? And anyway, maybe you should address your comment back to SLK, who seems to think the Dems do have the ability to get something done, but aren't. The interesting thing about the Times is that they publish corrections. Considering the hundreds of pages of real reporting that they do, it is inevitable that errors will creep in. Most papers simply reprint wire service stories, or syndicate articles from the big papers a day later, and do very little original reporting of their own. But the Times is on the front lines, and as they say, journalism is the first draft of history. The reason the Times prints corrections is because they actually want to get it right. Or do you really believe that the reason the NY Post or Washington Times doesn't print so many corrections is because they don't make any mistakes?? As for Jayson Blair, he was definitely a bad player who was caught, fired, publicly discredited; and the Times published a huge mea culpa and did everything they could to correct the record. If Blair was a writer instead for O'Reilly, or Brit Hume, do you think that would have happened? Blair faked enough news to fill about 10 minutes of Fox News time. But these conservative media never retracts anything; if they get it wrong, they just repeat it and hope people will believe it's true. At least The Times, at least, shows respect for the actual facts. Conservative media undermine the idea that there are any facts. | ||
| Twokitties Citizen Username: Twokitties Post Number: 446 Registered: 8-2004 |
Amen tom, thanks. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2080 Registered: 3-2004 |
Fictionvsfiction: 1990-92-- Fall of the Iron Curtain and Communism-- a certain Dick Cheney, then secretary of defense under Bush 41, begins downsizing the US military establishment, as "major threats to US security are over..." 2000-- Current president, B43, ignores Clinton administration admonishments about Al Qaeda and international terrorism. Sets on his watch the all-time record for the largest stock market drop in US history. B43 declined to intervene to correct price-fixing and corruption in the US energy industry, the cause of high energy prices and the famous "rolling black-outs" in California. Still has no energy policy. Turned the US economy from a nice net surplus and put us deep into deficits 2001---August---B43 takes a full month's vacation and fiddles while the internet is alive with chatter about impending terrorist attacks on the country he is sworn to defend and protect. 2001---creates the Department of Homeland Security, a bloated, ineffective, results-less bureaucracy, which has neither protected, defended, nor secured us. Yes, Clinton has blame in this, and both Bushes and their administrations have blame in this, and, yes, Congress is witless, gutless, and ineffective. But the buck stops at the President's office, and this president takes the cake for being the least effective, a chronic underperformer who has mastered sly politics but has shied away from learning the lessons of executive leadership and comes nowhere near acting like a chief of state. Take off YOUR blinders. Recognize that there is NO executive leadership emanating from the WH, and that its current resident is the model for the crappy government this country is now cursed with. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 780 Registered: 4-2006 |
tom- IMHO The Times has become a biased joke that fools no one. A smarmy upper-west side view of the world, basically. I gave up reading it years ago except for the sunday edition for the lifestyle stuff. A newspaper that hews to the democratic line but is pretty fair is the Star Ledger. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1581 Registered: 9-2004 |
7% unemployment 8% inflation minus 2% GDP No records being publically released on how much money is being printed. From Ernest Hollings: The government's greatest deception is quoting a deficit less than it is. For example, rather than subtracting spending from revenues, the government credits Social Security surpluses to Social Security and then spends the surplus, reporting a less than actual deficit. I authored the law forbidding the president and Congress from citing a deficit figure that includes Social Security money. Ignoring the law, President Bush states on page 4 of the U.S. Government Budget for FY 2007: "We now project that the 2006 deficit will come in at 3.2 percent of GDP, or $423 billion ?" But turn to page 334 of the same budget where it shows the gross federal debt from FY 2005 to FY 2006 increasing $706 billion ? a deficit of $706 billion instead of $423 billion. ............. What Ernest Hollings is saying is the the Bush Regime just stole about 280 billion from Social Security, FY '05 to FY'06, and spent it on tax breaks for the rich .................... snip.... The Clinton administration jimmied employment figures by reducing the number of people surveyed in the inner cities. Now with proper labor force growth, Charles McMillion, a noted Washington economist, reports an unemployment rate at 7.6 percent instead of 4.7 percent. In the last five years we have lost 2.9 million manufacturing jobs. To keep us going, the government has cut taxes and goosed the economy with $2.5 trillion in "hot" checks to create jobs. Paul Craig Roberts, Ronald Reagan’s economist, states: "No sane economist can possibly maintain that a deplorable record of merely 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs over five years is an indication of a healthy economy From: http://www.charleston.net/stories/default_pf.aspx?newsID=84520 .......................... This may be the reason that the Dow JOnes cant get past the old mark of around 11k} | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 782 Registered: 4-2006 |
Foj- Do they pay you by the word?  . Shouldn't you be out hawking Bob Menendez? Innisowen- Did you get all that information about Bush's knowledge of the terrorist threat from what was stuffed in Sandy Berger's socks? Bush is no worse than many past Presidents (the perfect candidates never run) and I think if we have not had a domestic terror attack since 9-11 he is doing pretty well. Personally I prefer a guy that will have a Predator drone fire a missle to kill an Al Queda operative (Bush) to a guy that wants to get a cop to arrest him (Kerry). In terms of the war on terrorism I think Bush, as flawed as he is, is a better fit than John Kerry would have been. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5168 Registered: 5-2001 |
"...to a guy that wants to get a cop to arrest him..." Another tired talking point. Kerry is a guy who, while GWB was snorting lines, was out in the jungle shooting at the enemy. Note to FVF, I like the Ledger too. The Times may be biased, but they at least try to get their facts straight, which is more than you can say for most other media outlets. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1800 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kerry is a guy who, while GWB was snorting lines, was out in the jungle shooting at the enemy. OMG, dumbest comment of the summer...can anyone top it?  | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1552 Registered: 10-2004  |
I think you just did. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1801 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- Careful, my pockets are full of fruit and waiting. You will never know when I will leap out from behind a grocery cart at a store near you.... -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1553 Registered: 10-2004 |
what does one say to that? Confrontational Bushisms like 'Bring it On' dont seem appropriate. Maybe something passive agressive like 'Fruit waiting in your pants doesnt surprise me'? No that would be a cheap shot and too easy and off topic. I could just ignore it but the winking icon denotes some sort of inside joke that I dont really get, so I am compelled to write something. I could go all Strawberry on it and say 'boring', or condemn your patriotism since we all know fruit is not a WMD. Nah - I dont really care that much. Go ahead and surprise me. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1963 Registered: 7-2004  |
The veiled threat of homosexual rape in SLK's last post is disgusting and he should be banned for that. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1804 Registered: 10-2005 |
I feel honored knowing all I need to do is fart on these boards and I am pretty much guaranteed a response from Hoops and RL. RL, once again get with the program. Go to the soapbox section and see the thread "drive by fruiting" and keep your sicko fantasies out of this (both sexual and getting me banned). Hoops, are you senile? See above.... Geez, depending on a liberal for a sense of humor....fughedaboutit!!!! -SLK | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1964 Registered: 7-2004 |
News flash: you're not funny. I read the fruiting thread. Doesn't excuse your sub-conscious threat to molest Hoops, you sick-o. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1554 Registered: 10-2004 |
senile? If I was, would I actually know? Everything is relative in humor, it all depends on the direction of the joke. Personally I initially found your attempt at it to be fruitless however in retrospect it seems more like lemons. A little sour. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1808 Registered: 10-2005 |
I feel honored knowing all I need to do is fart on these boards and I am pretty much guaranteed a response from Hoops and RL. i rest my case your honor... -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1555 Registered: 10-2004 |
Lets see if I understand you correctly. 1 - I respond to one of your posts where you wrote an insult of another posters opinion with a better insult of my own. 2 - you bring the fruiting thread to the political soapbox and kid me with some kind of fruit fight 3 - I respond back to you with some humor of my own - at your expense of course. 4 - You ask me if I am senile and complain about my sense of humor 5 - I respond to that question 6 - you feel honored that I respond to you. Ok. Got it. Im not senile but I am beginning to have my doubts about you. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1809 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- I am toying with you man, relax... -SLK | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2083 Registered: 3-2004 |
Fiction: Or maybe we should just call you "creative imagination without much grounding in reality," your quote: "Did you get all that information about Bush's knowledge of the terrorist threat from what was stuffed in Sandy Berger's socks"? No, it was in The 9/11 Commission Report, Chapter 8, "The System Was Blinking Red." Have you read it? I mean, have you really read it? But of course you might respond that the National Commission contributors to the report are obviously all a bunch of liars out to hoist the Bush administration on a political gallows. And that may be, but they would be doing so with good reason. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 787 Registered: 4-2006 |
Innisowen- Sadly you are the democratic equivalent of the extreme right wing christians you so fear. No sense of humor and absolute righteous belief in your "cause". Utter shite, my friend. You seem to think that the democratic party is like a religion and democratic leadership on all government levels is the high-minded stuff of the " West Wing". Actually the lumpen proleteriat machine dems that I grew up with and know quite well would be the first to laugh at you. Only on MOL would an independent like myself be considered to be a neo-con.  | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1816 Registered: 10-2005 |
Inny's jesuit arrogance is full swing tonight folks....really, you must be a joy to spend time with you miserable crank.... -SLK | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2085 Registered: 3-2004 |
Facts: really you should change your handle. You don't deal in facts, you deal in rehearsed suppositions. I'm not a democrat nor even a Democrat, but you assume that anyone who criticizes the current Administration's overall performance in running this country must be a Democrat. Something is wrong with that attitude. Or your definition of high performance is different from mine. Hmmm, I'll bet that performance evaluation sessions with you are a real hoot. And please: at least let those of us who grew up pronouncing the word shite keep it to ourselves. We know when to use it and when not to use it. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2086 Registered: 3-2004 |
SLK: I think you should stick to your frequent sex allusions/obsessions and leave other topics to the rest of us. It'd be interesting to know how many Jesuits you ever met long enough to talk to them. At least we have the benefit of your uninformed opinions. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 796 Registered: 4-2006 |
Innisowen- Here you go again. I guess a true believer's work is never done, fellow? IMHO you need a political suppository to open your mind and separate fact from fiction. Clinton's administration was as bad as Bush's administration. No doubt this shocks you as Clinton represents the forces of light to you, Bush the forces of darkness, just like those medieval religious types that scare you? Right? My greatest concern as a citizen of this great country is who we will elect President next to clean up the crap from both administrations. Sorry to say it doesn't look promising, given the presumptive candidates. And if you ain't a democrat,well, pigs must be flying over SOMA today. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1817 Registered: 10-2005 |
Inny- My best friend went to a jesuit school (Lemoyne College in Syracuse, NY)where I use to visit him alot. He was a philosophy/poli sci major (and main captain of the rugby team). I actually got to sit in a couple of his philosophy courses (using the excuse that I was also a philosophy major at another school (SUNY Buffalo) and curious of the different venues)and met a host of professors. They were brilliant men, highly arrogant and cranky, but brilliant. Can you please define "uninformed opinion?" sounds oxymoronic to me. What I find truly funny about this discourse between you and FvF, is that he, an obvious independent is calling you out, an alleged "i"ndependent. Better start looking in the mirror my friend. How can I honestly take you when you can't even be honest with yourself? -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1563 Registered: 10-2004 |
Fvf - please feel free to criticize the Clinton administration all you want. Now when you feel like taking a look at what is happening today and has been happening in the past 6 years we can talk. New flash. The country is bankrupt. Foreign debt is higher then its ever been, the budget is propped up with accounting tricks and SSI money, and while the Bush administration focuses on important issues like flag burning, our schools are suffering, our health care system is disintegrating and our only the military industrial complex and energy corporations are being fed. This administration has wiped out a surplus in order to give money to the wealthy. This administration has allowed terrorists to destroy our WTC despite ample warning. This administration has covered up 9/11 and has instituted a spying on citizens policy. This administration has chosen to ignore the law of the land and instead relies on signing statements that say the law has nothing to do with the president. Fvf - please weigh in on the issues of the day. Not the issues of the last millenium. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3508 Registered: 5-2001  |
"Uninformed opinion" sounds like an oxymoron to you, SLK? Um... it's not. (Duh.) | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1822 Registered: 10-2005 |
notehead- an uniformed opinion is another way of saying your opinion is wrong. I thought opinions can't be right/wrong? Of course, that is my humble opinion.  | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2187 Registered: 8-2003  |
I suspect you're being purposely obtuse. I can have an opinion on anything, even if I don't know the first thing about it. I can form an opinion on the congressional race in Alaska. in my opinion the Green Party makes a lot of sense for Alaska. (of course I don't even know if the Green Party has fielded a candidate in that race, but who cares, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!). | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1823 Registered: 10-2005 |
exactly... | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3515 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oh, a uniformed opinion! If the guy is wearing a uniform then he probably does know what he's talking about. That's different.  | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 800 Registered: 4-2006 |
Hoops- You ain't the voice of authority. If you were running things we would be an isolated and declining country in the face of a world Islamic caliphate. You would be concerned about negotiating environmentally acceptable terms of surrender. No fur,islamists! The economy is not in the toilet bowl and this stupid canard isn't even used by the Presidential wanna-bes in your party. The dopey New York Times just hosed the country by revealing the secret financial war on the terrorists. I agree with Pete King that they should be brought up on federal criminal charges. You guys endlessly shoot yourselves in the foot in the electoral college by positions totally out of touch with the american public, then claim the american people are stupid. |
