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TomR
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Post Number: 1162
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 3:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I haven't read the whole opinion yet, so I won't comment on it. But...

The jurisdictional sections are interesting insofar as they would seem to indicate that if Congress has written a tighter law divesting the Supreme Court of jurisdiction in such a case, the Court might have sat on its hands.

I only bring this up because every now and then, some bright boy, or girl, introduces a bill in our Congress to circumscribe the jurisdiction of the federal Courts. Off the top of my head, the last one would remove the federal DOMA from the Courts' review.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&inv ol=05-184

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Ily
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Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 4:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That didn't take long:

U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) today issued the following statement on the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling on the Hamdan case:
"We are disappointed with the Supreme Court’s decision. However, we believe the problems cited by the Court can and should be fixed.

"It is inappropriate to try terrorists in civilian courts. It threatens our national security and places the safety of jurors in danger. For those reasons and others, we believe terrorists should be tried before military commissions.

"In his opinion, Justice Breyer set forth the path to a solution of this problem. He wrote, ‘Nothing prevents the president from returning to Congress to seek the authority he believes necessary.’

"We intend to pursue legislation in the Senate granting the Executive Branch the authority to ensure that terrorists can be tried by competent military commissions. Working together, Congress and the administration can draft a fair, suitable, and constitutionally permissible tribunal statute."

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Southorangemom
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Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 6:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank goodness the Supreme Court ruled against Bush.
It's about time!
I am tired of feeling like I live in a police state.
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Foj
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Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Court held that Common Article 3 of Geneva Conventions cannot be violated.
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Nohero
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Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TomR -

I have not given this a close reading, either, but I think the answer to your question is in part II of the opinion, at pages 10-11 of the slip opinion:

Quote:

The Government argues that §§1005(e)(1) and 1005(h) had the immediate effect, upon enactment, of repealing federal jurisdiction not just over detainee habeas actions yet to be filed but also over any such actions then pending in any federal court--including this Court. Accordingly, it argues, we lack jurisdiction to review the Court of Appeals' decision below.

Hamdan objects to this theory on both constitutional and statutory grounds. Principal among his constitutional arguments is that the Government's preferred reading raises grave questions about Congress' authority to impinge upon this Court's appellate jurisdiction, particularly in habeas cases. Support for this argument is drawn from Ex parte Yerger, 8 Wall. 85 (1869), in which, having explained that "the denial to this court of appellate jurisdiction" to consider an original writ of habeas corpus would "greatly weaken the efficacy of the writ," id., at 102-103, we held that Congress would not be presumed to have effected such denial absent an unmistakably clear statement to the contrary. See id., at 104-105; see also Felker v. Turpin, 518 U. S. 651 (1996); Durousseau v. United States, 6 Cranch 307, 314 (1810) (opinion for the Court by Marshall, C. J.) (The "appellate powers of this court" are not created by statute but are "given by the constitution"); United States v. Klein, 13 Wall. 128 (1872). Cf. Ex parte McCardle, 7 Wall. 506, 514 (1869) (holding that Congress had validly foreclosed one avenue of appellate review where its repeal of habeas jurisdiction, reproduced in the margin,4 could not have been "a plainer instance of positive exception"). Hamdan also suggests that, if the Government's reading is correct, Congress has unconstitutionally suspended the writ of habeas corpus.

We find it unnecessary to reach either of these arguments.
Ordinary principles of statutory construction suffice to rebut the Government's theory--at least insofar as this case, which was pending at the time the DTA was enacted, is concerned.


In other words, this issue was raised, but the court said that this issue was not necessary to decide the case before the court. So, this case does not address the ability of Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. Maybe we can put this down to something that will be fought about another day.
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TomR
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Post Number: 1164
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 9:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nohero,

I posed no question but thanks for staying on point.

I think the ability of Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court is pretty clear, not perfectly, but pretty clear. I would just rather that Congress not exercise that authority, thereby avoiding the fight another day.

TomR
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Rastro
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has the constitutionality of a law that is outside the review of the SC been challenged? If this is constitutional, what would prevent Congress from enacting laws that are blatantly unconstitutional, and removing them from judicial review?
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TomR
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Post Number: 1167
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah Grasshopper,

You hold the philosopher's stone.

Personally, I don't think Congress would enact blatantly unconstitutional laws. Laws that don't pass the smell test, yeah; blatantly unconstitutional? They're smarter than that.

While I dont think that H.R. 1100 has much of a chance of passage, the fact that its kicking around Congress makes me uneasy.

If it ever gets reported out of committee, I'll let the message board know so we can tell our venerable Congressmen what we think.

TomR
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mjc
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Post Number: 1221
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TomR, sorry to be lazy, but could you easily post the justices' votes on Hamdan?
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Rastro
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Post Number: 3449
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf
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TomR
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Post Number: 1170
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JJ. Stevens, Ginsburg, Kennedy, Souter and Breyer; majority.

JJ. Scalia, Thomas and Alito; dissenting.

Six separate opinions.

TomR

Be back later.

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