| Author | Message | ||
     themp Supporter Username: Themp Post Number: 3053 Registered: 12-2001  |
"I've actually been in similar situations. I have stood many a nose to nose on public property." Which side did you march for in Selma? | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15219 Registered: 10-2001  |
If I saw someone burning it on their own property, I'd still try to stop it. And I'd happily face the consequences. No problem. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 9994 Registered: 4-1997  |
What if the consequences were death by stoning? | ||
| Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5760 Registered: 3-2002 |
S could take his chances and figure the crowd that is likely to burn flags either couldnt hit him with any great accuracy, wouldnt be strong enough to throw rocks of any dangerous size or they couldnt throw hard enough to hurt him. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15220 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'd just catch them. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1584 Registered: 9-2004 |
The correct way to dispose of a worn flag is to fold it, without it touching the ground, and then to burn it. Please dispose of the ashes in a reponsible manner. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5544 Registered: 10-1999  |
The Senate did not pass this as a proposed amendment. So, there's another diversionary distraction gone by the wayside. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1835 Registered: 10-2005  |
I have one question everyone: Yes or no would suffice for now. If I come across someone burning the flag, do I havethe right to go up to that person and ask "hey dude, must you do that?" - SLK | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 732 Registered: 7-2004  |
"hey dude"???? Sure you have the right. Is that a serious question? I'm pretty sure you won't encounter someone burning the flag unless you seek out a protest. How many people on this thread have actually witnessed a flag burning (desecration, not retirement)? I'd probably guess none. It's very rare, yet such a big stink is made of this. So much so that some crazies will probably start burning flags just to instigate. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5547 Registered: 10-1999 |
Yes, you do have the right to say that to them. But, only if you use the word "assclown" in place of the word "dude".  | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 129 Registered: 2-2006  |
Mr. Big Poppa You remind me of this guy. I think there's a flag in that barrel.  Or maybe that's Southerner. Or maybe that's what happened to Straw. | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 733 Registered: 7-2004 |
Are you comparing me to Southerner? Or are you saying that is Southerner in the barrel? Don't quite understand you post. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3590 Registered: 3-2004  |
This is all so symbolic. You can't create patriotic fervor by banning flag burning. You can only create patriotic fervor by positive acts such as: a government that listens to all the people, even its critics, as in "democracy;" having policies that work, listening to scientists and taking them seriously on matters of environment and health; responding to domestic catastrophes effectively and in an organized manner; acting in a concerned way for those "left behind" with funding, and effective plans, having leaders who take their jobs seriously. | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 130 Registered: 2-2006 |
Mr. Big, The pictures are similar. That's all. I'm not comparing you to Southerner. Your posts make sense. | ||
| 3ringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 269 Registered: 1-2006 |
I would not support a constitutional amendment, but burning the flag is upsetting to me. I would think that starting a fire in a public place would be illegal though, possibly a disorderly persons offense. If the police arrested someone for burning a flag and that person stumbled and fell in the station house and needed some dental work as a result, I wouldn't feel too bad about it. Cheers | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3516 Registered: 5-2001  |
The Senate did not pass this as a proposed amendment. So, there's another diversionary distraction gone by the wayside. Yeah, but it only failed by one vote. That's depressing. I can't believe that many elected officials were willing to blatantly pander for votes from fools rather than defend the right to freedom of expression. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3517 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey, SLK, is that you on the right?   | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1744 Registered: 9-2004  |
I always wondered …if a bird flying by crapped on a flag, would it be: a. desecration of the flag or b. defectation on a flag. or both. Could this bird be endangered of being shot by sbenois?  | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3522 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'll make it even trickier for you: what if the bird was a Bald Eagle? (And wouldn't the metaphor be just too much to handle?) | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14817 Registered: 1-2003  |
Please read For Which It Stands by Hendrick Hertzberg. This would have been the only amendment to amend the first amendment. It would have been the only amendment to limit rights rather than stating rights, except for the amendments about "intoxicating liquors." | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1746 Registered: 9-2004 |
I'll make it even trickier for you: what if the bird was a Bald Eagle? (And wouldn't the metaphor be just too much to handle?) Hmmm…that's deep notey.  The Bald Eagle is our country's symbol of freedom. The Bald Eagle is as yet still considered a threatened species and is protected under the Endangered Species Act. It is a felony to shoot an eagle. The punishment for killing one is to pay a $500,000 fine and up to a year in prison. The Bald Eagle is also protected under the Migratory BirdTreaty Act and also the Bald and Gold Eagle Protection Act. ************************* Then again, the eagle is free to defecate on the flag, but if someone decides to shoot the eagle, he/she could get a year in the slammer or fined a half a mil. I'm going with the eagle.  | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3524 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mmmmmmmmmmm.... popcorn..... | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1160 Registered: 6-2001 |
Does anybody know which Senator cast the 34th nay vote? TomR | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14821 Registered: 1-2003 |
I don't understand your question. How is the 34th nay vote different from the 1st or the 33rd? Is the order of the vote recorded? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5188 Registered: 5-2001 |
I guess if you really want to get down to brass tacks, it's Mitch McConnell, R-KY, Majority Whip, possible next majority leader. He's an arch-conservative, but his libertarian streak prevailed in this vote. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14823 Registered: 1-2003 |
sbenois, does an inclination to stop someone from committing an act mean that the country needs a constitutional amendment for all of us to prevent all of us from committing that act? I tend to get very edgy when people sing off key. If they continue, I could become violent. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1199 Registered: 2-2004 |
It's a political ploy. Let's see if it pan's out. | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1161 Registered: 6-2001 |
Tom, Did the leadership manipulate the order of the Seantors' votes or did Mr. McConnell hang out in the cloak room until he could be the 34th nay? Noglider, Sorry the question was unclear, but that's as clear as I could, or can, make it. TomR | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5192 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well I suppose there's two questions: Who was the 34th in the roll-call vote order, and who would be closest the being the swing vote. Not knowing how strongly he felt about first amendment issues, I'd have picked McConnell to vote "yes" in a heartbeat. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15222 Registered: 10-2001 |
Where did I say that? | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14832 Registered: 1-2003 |
You didn't say that, but I inferred you to say that. Sorry I read you wrong. Your first words on this thread were a question about what one would do if one saw someone else burning a flag. And this thread is about an amendment, so I took you to mean that the amendment is a good idea. The amendment is a really stupid idea, and I hope you agree, wherever you stand on the act of burning the flag. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1205 Registered: 2-2004 |
Reingold, I agree it's a stupid idea, but stupid ideas often serve a purpose. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2202 Registered: 8-2003  |
I've never seen a more succinct summary of the reasoning behind the Republican Party's success. | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4563 Registered: 7-2001  |
"I agree it's a stupid idea, but stupid ideas often serve a purpose." And that purpose is to appeal to the basest instincts of stupid people. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1965 Registered: 7-2004  |
"stupid ideas often serve a purpose." That's the best post Forrest Gump, er, Southerner has ever made. He loves this. | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 132 Registered: 2-2006 |
Southerner- It's about 1:40 here in the eastern United States. Isn't the sun starting to dip below the yardarm?  | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1163 Registered: 6-2001 |
If anybody cares, I've been unable to find any information indicating that the Senate varied from its normal practice of members voting in alphabetical order. Senator Wyden, last alphabetically, cast the 34th nay. Also of possible interest, our own Senator Menendez voted yea. TomR | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15224 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm not certain why the idea of an amendment is stupid. Although I don't believe that amending the Constitution is something that is fully warranted, I do believe that flag burning is certainly a borderline case worthy of being discussed. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2203 Registered: 8-2003 |
yes, it absolutely is borderline. but only if you mean that in terms of bordering on nothing. there were 4 documented cases of flag burning so far this year in a country of 300 million people. that works out to be 0.000000133% of Americans burned a flag this year. certainly seems worthy of a constitutional amendment, but only in Bizarro World. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15225 Registered: 10-2001 |
The frequency of an incident is not the measure that determines whether something is worthy of being an amendment to the Constitution. I would invite you to please review the Amendment that was passed to limit Presidents to two terms if you should need evidence that the real world and the bizarro world are one and the same. |
