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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1613
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 2, 2006 - 11:08 pm: | 
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NEW YORK (AFP) - Senior military officers have warned the US administration that bombing raids against Iran would likely fail to destroy the country's nuclear program due to a lack of reliable intelligence, a US magazine magazine reported.
Pentagon officers "have told the administration that the bombing campaign will probably not succeed in destroying Iran's nuclear program," Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh wrote in the New Yorker magazine's latest edition.
The military officers are concerned about contingency plans to launch air strikes against Iran because of the absence of actionable intelligence or concrete evidence of bomb making, the magazine said, citing unnamed active duty and retired officers and officials
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usirannuclearmilitary
I would suggest that a CIA front company, working in say.....
energy consulting... send its energy consultants to Iran...... this should provide us with some good "Boots on the ground" INTELL.
Whadya think?
I would call the company "Bruce Jennings." |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 858
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 2, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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planted news. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5217
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 9:20 am: |
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No it isn't. It's coverage of a published article by Seymour Hersh, who has extremely good sources for his articles. And he's almost always turned out to be right.
This holiday season, why not take a minute to comtemplate your status as a citizen of the world's greatest democracy. The talking-points style of political thought is beneath you. You have the right and the duty to thoughtfully consider the workings of your government. Leave the chanting of slogans to the mobs in the streets of Teheran.
Back to the substance: this is leading us into really uncharted waters. If we aim for their nuclear capacity and miss, we're going to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power, something that's never been done before. |
Aok
Citizen
Username: Aok
Post Number: 256
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 5:13 pm: |
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Knowing Bush he's liable to just drop a nuke to make sure he silences all criticism. He'll probably try to clain it was that asteroid that was reported on the news this morning. Thinks we'll believe anything. Simple solution for a simple man. Look out world! I didn't vote for the guy. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 874
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 10:52 pm: |
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disinformation is disinformation. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1616
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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FvF is FvF. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 876
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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Foj-
And as the resident democratic party activist and local dem bigshot muck-a-muck, Jamie Ross should be billing you for all the free democratic political advertisements you post disguised as opinion threads.
Can't Howard Dean cut you a check or two? |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5568
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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FvF seems to have veered into that zone, where one critiques the poster, instead of the post.
FvF's tactics actually lend credibility to Foj, which was probably not intentional. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 877
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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Nohero-
Birds of a liberal feather do flock together?
You might note I posted about the topic. Foj posted about me instead.
Hence leading credibility to my comments? |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 12018
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 - 6:25 am: |
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FvF, do you have a factual base for doubting Seymour Hersh's article? Or is it just wishful thinking on your part?
First, it appears that we don't have credible inteligence on where the sites are located. Second, the Iranian's have decentralized the program. And third, the really important sites are in hardened underground bunkers.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5220
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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FvF, once again let me invite you to put aside slogans and cliches, just for today. Think about the policy, and the facts as you know them, and comment on that.
Do you know how good our intelligence on the location of Iran's nuclear materials is? What is your source? |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 881
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 - 9:57 pm: |
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Seymour Hersh is not the Secretary of Defense. He relies on "sources", sources can tell you what they want you to tell others. Hersh may also be used for the purposes of internal politics or disagreements within the millitary.
The United States has the most sophisticated intelligence gathering systems in the world today. It is only weak on human intel. Israel on the other hand has tremendous human intel throughout the M.E..
If the USA will act, it will have sufficient information to reduce, delay or possible fully destroy the Iranian program, whatever Hersh reports now.
You two seem to think journalists are omnipotent. Either that or what Hersh is reporting dovetails nicely with your politics on the situation. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5222
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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The CIA isn't omnipotent either. Still for Osama last I heard. And Hersh, it's true, could be used that way; but he's not exactly wet behind the ears. Anyway that's a little disingenous considering the echo chamber that the right-wing media has become these last several years. So far Hersh has been dead-on with respect to the Iraq war.
The Pentagon was 100% sure it knew where those WMDs were. What if they do as good a job with Iranian nukes? |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 888
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 12:20 am: |
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tom-
You raised two really good points: WMD in Iraq and OBL.
Some reports say the WMD in Iraq were transfered into Syria and buried before the war. Also according to some OBL is in Iran and out of reach for now.
Iraq and Iran are different from what I understand as Iraq was more closed off from a human intelligence standpoint under Hussein with the Iraqi millitary less capable of being accessed. Iran is a larger country and more accessible for intelligence. The Iranian effort has been tracked for some time now as well.
Given the Iraq fiasco I can't see them going in at all unless they have the likelihood of success in derailing the program for some years and then seeking regime change in Iran in the interim.
I am going to look for the sources now, but it but I believe Hersh has had some info wrong in the past as well. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5223
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 2:07 am: |
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A couple of things about the Syria suggestion. If Iraq indeed had the vast stockpiles outlined in the runup to the war and moved them, why didn't we see it? We've got satellites, spyplanes, drones, humint in Iraq and Syria -- and we were watching. At least, we should have been. Somewhere a light would have gone off. But if we couldn't see literally hundreds of tons of materiel move across a border, how are we going to spot a couple of loose nukes?
And if Syria has them, why iare they any more tolerable to us than Iraq? It's a dictatorship that openly supports terrorists, and even more outspoken in its hostility to Israel. |
3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 284
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 7:51 am: |
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A Republican friend of mine keeps telling me that Iraq's WMDs were moved to Syria. The latest wrinkle is that France and Russia helped to move them! I keep asking why Mr. Bush doesn't announce this in a prime-time Oval Office speech and show some proofs. I also ask why Iraq would transfer weapons to Syria given that they sided with the US during Gulf War I. Saddam and Assad were not exactly golf buddies. As soon as I get some answers to these questions, I will post them here.
Cheers |
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