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Robert Livingston
Citizen Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1971 Registered: 7-2004

| Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 10:29 am: |
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You just knew this weasel was going to find a way to avoid jail time, didn't you? |
   
Nancy - LibraryLady
Supporter Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3645 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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Got off easy in my book.
Quote: Enron founder Ken Lay dies 64-year-old former energy executive was awaiting sentencing for fraud. By Shaheen Pasha, CNNMoney.com staff writer July 5 2006: 11:02 AM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Enron founder Kenneth Lay died early Wednesday in Aspen, Colo., a family spokeswoman said. Lay, 64, was awaiting sentencing after being found guilty of conspiracy and fraud in the Enron trial in May. In a statement, spokeswoman Kelly Kimberly said, "The Lays have a very large family with whom they need to communicate, and out of respect for the family we will release further details at a later time." CNN affiliate KPRC in Houston said Lay was admitted to the Aspen Valley Hospital overnight with a massive coronary. (Watch what penalties Lay would have faced -- 1:54) On May 25, Lay was found guilty of 10 counts of fraud and conspiracy related to the collapse of Enron, the energy company he founded that eventually grew into the nation's seventh largest company before it imploded after an accounting scandal. It was an astounding fall from grace for the Houston businessman who was once nicknamed "Kenny Boy" by President Bush. Lay had raised funds for Bush earlier in his political career. In the Enron trial, Lay was accused of lying to investors and Wall Street about the health of Enron in late 2001 even as he enriched himself by selling millions of dollars in stock. But Lay maintained his innocence to the end. In a May 25 interview, Lay's lead attorney, Michael Ramsey, who was forced to take a backseat midway through the trial after he underwent vascular surgery, said that "Enron was his creation, he nursed it like a child, and the death of Enron was like the death of a child to him." "He lost a fortune, his family lost a fortune, he can certainly feel the pain of the people that lost money in it, he will feel that till the day he dies," Ramsey said. Lay was scheduled for sentencing on Oct. 23 along with Enron's former chief executive Jeffrey Skilling, who was found guilty of conspiracy, fraud, making false statements and insider trading. Both men faced 25 to 40 years behind bars, legal experts said. Presiding Judge Sim Lake originally scheduled sentencing for Sept. 11. Enron filed for bankruptcy in December 2001 after investigators found it had used partnerships to conceal more than $1 billion in debt and inflate profits. Enron's downfall cost 4,000 employees their jobs and many of them their life savings, and led to billions of dollars of losses for investors. The collapse was the first of the high-profile corporate scandals that later rocked WorldCom, Global Crossing, Adelphia and Tyco. The wave of fraud led to the passage of the Sarbanes-Oxley legislation meant to tighten oversight of how American companies were audited. Lay, the son of a baptist preacher in Missouri, worked his way up to become a corporate titan. He earned his Bachelor's and Master's degrees at the University of Missouri and went on to earn a Ph.D. in economics at the University of Houston. He served in the U.S. Navy from 1968 to 1971, during which he received the Navy Commendation Medal and National Defense Service Medal. He is survived by his wife Linda Phillips Lay, five children and twelve grandchildren. -- CNNMoney.com's Grace Wong contributed to this story.
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Rastro
Citizen Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3498 Registered: 5-2004

| Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 11:24 am: |
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I wonder... is his estate liable for any fines he was hit with? I feel for his family for their loss - though it's probably easier to tell the grandkids that grandpa died, rather than explain that he is going to jail. |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 906 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 11:56 pm: |
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You guys make it sound as if he gassed thousands of kurds or something. Oh. Right. Sorry. Bush contributor and supporter.
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tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 5227 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 12:10 am: |
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No, he just consigned thousands to unemployment and a more impoverished retirement. But he's a Bush contributor and supporter. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 5229 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 12:31 am: |
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Quote:Yea -- but only the rich guys Tom. The little guys -- they got knocked off and all their estates went to the Emperors. Unless they went home and uh, killed themselves -- then nothing happened. And their families -- their families were taken care of
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Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 908 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 12:33 am: |
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There are different levels of evil, he wasn't Saddam Hussein to justify any level of glee. Agree that he hurt many, many people. (Corporations generally due that on a daily basis, but on a much smaller scale.) But so did Ebbers and he didn't get as much vitriol. But then again Ebbers wasn't so identified as a Bush contributor and supporter. Not a happy ending for the man, his family, or his former workers. No one "wins".
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mjh
Supporter Username: Mjh
Post Number: 647 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 7:28 am: |
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Jeffrey Skilling just released a statement saying that Lay 'is just fine, and still a great investment.' "
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen Username: Casey
Post Number: 2214 Registered: 8-2003

| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 9:09 am: |
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Quote:There are different levels of evil, he wasn't Saddam Hussein to justify any level of glee.
I think you managed to slam the guy worse with that statement than anyone else could manage. It's the most perfect example of "damning with faint praise" that I've ever seen. I'll bet Ken Lay never thought that the best tribute he'd get was that he wasn't a mass muderer. |
   
Hoops
Citizen Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1601 Registered: 10-2004

| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 9:15 am: |
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Americans 'won' when Lay was convicted. I would think that the stock holders of Enron who lost everything and the employees of Enron who lost their hard earned retirement money, and the people of California who suffered through rolling blackouts due to Enron led energy speculation are all jumping for joy today. In fact I saw an interview with a Texas woman who was sad that Lay died because he escaped punishment.
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Phenixrising
Citizen Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1763 Registered: 9-2004

| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 10:00 am: |
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Not a happy ending for the man, his family, or his former workers. No one "wins". I can understand the "family" thing, but his former workers?
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Bob K
Supporter Username: Bobk
Post Number: 12048 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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His conviction may not stand as he hasn't had the opportunity to appeal. This basically means it will be a lot harder for the Feds to recover the stolen property he still held at the time of his death. I hope they do a really good autopsy on Kenny Boy. I really didn't follow the Ebbers case. However, Deal a Day Dennis, who is doing hard time in the NY penal system, didn't drain his company. He claimed, with some probably misplaced pride, that no Tyco employee testified or gave evidence against him. He and Skillings drained the company, lied to the stockholders and employees up to the very end of Enron. There are a lot of former Enron employees who, rightly or wrongly, would have loved to roast Lay over a very slow fire. |
   
argon_smythe
Citizen Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 842 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
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Make no mistake, Kenny Lay has bought himself a corpse and a one-way ticket to Argentina.
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Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 911 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 6, 2006 - 9:34 pm: |
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Pheneixrising- Makes it harder for the feds or former employees to get their hands on the money. |