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llama
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 3:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have to stop this right here. Everybody's making Strawberry look like a buffoon!
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buddybak
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 4:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Florida is a right to work state, but in New Jersey we have a civil service system that is suppose to protect the workers, that's the differants that's why Whitman took the money (raided) the pension fund
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Innisowen
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 4:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

zzzzzzzzzz (above)is Strawberry's fall-back position when he puts his foot in his mouth and makes one of his usual, customary, and unreasonably broad misstatements.

While you're at it, check out the gun laws in Florida. They probably help to explain the 711.3 incidences of violent crime per 100,000 inhabitants reported in Florida in 2004.

Nice, civilized state, well managed, well run, as long as quality of life issues really don't matter to you.

And think of all that daily damage to the melanocytes just waiting to rear its ugly head in that state with such poor health coverage and dismal record of positive health outcomes and medical care availability.

You can have it.

I'll take Ireland and Vermont where I live during my weekends and long holidays. With NJ as a very convenient jumping-off place.
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Strawberry
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 5:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Notice how Innisowen says alot but can't explain this.

Florida $6.4 Billion in RESERVES
NJ $4.5 Billion in DEFICIT
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Innisowen
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 8:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm really not interested in "explaining" Florida's reserves vs New Jersey's deficit, although what other posters and I have mentioned with regard to Florida's chintzy public choices and lackluster record in health care (an investment in the common good which Florida does not make to the extent that other states do)may have played a partial role in adding to its reserves, since health care is often the number one cost borne by governments, corporations, and private individuals. And Florida is known to have its share of the 5 health conditions that cause most worker absences and loss of time on job.

Perhaps you'd care to explain the reserves for us, by line item, since they interest you so much. Perhaps it's merely the way the administration in Florida presents its numbers. Administrations have been known to be tricky that way. And I believe it does run in the family.

In any case, Florida's choices suit you apparently, and good for you.

I prefer civilisation.

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Nohero
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where'd Florida get its surplus? Easy to find -
"Although Bush's critics called his tax-cut plan an election-year gimmick, the governor is not proposing returning the entire surplus to taxpayers. What he offers lawmakers is a good starting point for the coming debate over how best to use the windfall generated by the state's housing boom and two years of record sales tax collections, boosted by hurricane reconstruction."
Cite - http://www.tbo.com/news/opinion/editorials/MGBZJ8ZE6JE.html

Same thing I said on Friday.

Or, in other words, you have to spend a lot of money when a storm takes out your home. Gov. Jeb is happy to collect the sales tax on the supplies you need, to patch things up.
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Strawberry
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow, took you 48 hours to do your research. A new record for you! Nice job! Sorry if the project stole your weekend.

Anyway, I'm giving you an A.. Nice work!

Maybe Corzine gets lucky and a few canes blow through the Garden State.
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Spinal Tap
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Florida does have a lot of income NJ does not. Their tourist industry dwarfs ours and FL cleans them out. Property taxes on second homes in FL are huge, and without the winter, their roads and bridges don't require nearly as much upkeep as ours do. But I find it impossible to defend this state's economic policies. This state is an economic basket case. Fl does seem to be a lot more responsible with their taxpayer’s money. And yes - I guess you do get the government you vote for. Here the state tries to do a lot more than they do in FL. The question are how good are they doing it, is it worth the expense, and can we afford it? I think I posted this link on another thread but it's a good read:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_2_new_jersey.html
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Peter J. Watts
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a pro-Florida kind of guy, no matter how you spin taxes, I guarantee the cost of living there is much, much cheaper. And they estimate about 1,000 people move there each day, so they're obviously doing something right.
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Nohero
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Posted on Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Sorry if the project stole your weekend"

I spent the weekend out-of-state at a family gathering, if you care.

I came back to find the same old nonsense being spouted at 5:21 this evening, as was used to start this thread two days ago.

It took five minutes to find out what was really going on, which is something anyone can do (provided one is not seduced by clearly nonsensical B.S. from the Florida G.O.P.)
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us2inFL
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Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 5:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Florida isn't for everyone, and we Floridians are thankful for that."

Peter J: the cost of living here is not much less than living up there. Our property taxes would have been $11,000 there, and they're $7500 here. Our homeowner's insurance was $1100 there, and $3500 here, making those two elements a break even.

Energy prices are as high here for gasoline and electricity as you're paying up north. Our average summer power bill is $300, about $180 from October to April.

Grocery shopping is just as expensive, and maybe even more. Dining out is a bit less expensive. Clothing prices (sales especially), are better in the NE than here, and we pay sales tax on them.

Salaries are lower here, by a significant margin.

Our county, Palm Beach, and our locality, Wellington are financially well run. Even with the funds used for hurricane cleanup, both county and local reserves are very high.

Back in 1997, I remember being warned about looking for a home in the Oranges and Maplewood. We loved the time we lived there, and we're totally pleased with our decision to move to Palm Beach County. The air is clean, the sky is ultra-blue, and the people are friendly. Sure Florida is loaded with a high percentage of "shmendoons", hey the state went for Bush in '04.

I guess Notehead won't be accepting our invitation for a visit.

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notehead
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Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aw, Us2, I know some wonderful people in FL, and you could easily end up on that list, I just wouldn't wanna live there. I nearly had a gig a couple weeks ago in Cocoanut Grove, and was looking forward to visiting my old stomping grounds. But if I were ever to head south permanently, I'd probably end up at some kind of crunchy New Urbanism eco-village in AZ or NM or something like that.
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peteglider
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Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Umm -- please recall the past governers who started the out of control borrowing -- like Kean, and especially Whitman.

Come on now, Mr Corzine in his first days in office didn't make this problem happen overnight. Of course his democartic predecessors continued in the borrowing euphoria.

But given Washington is determined to continue with this budget deficit strategy, I'm astonished at the outcry on this issue in NJ.

/p
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Innisowen
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Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 5:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess that the essence of Florida is not the Everglades, not the beaches, not Miami, not stellar universities and research facilities...

The essence of Florida is... Mickey Mouse.
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Spinal Tap
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Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 7:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is the essence of NJ?
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Strawberry
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Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that smell..
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Peter J. Watts
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Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I still think it's cheaper to live in Florida. Look at the cost of auto insurance. But here's another reason why the state looks good.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/gen/ap/FL_Florida_Crime.html
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Nohero
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Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From the article cited by Mr. Magic above -
"The crime rate, compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, decreased 3.7 percent from 4,855 crimes per 100,000 people in 2004 to 4,677 crimes per 100,000 people last year. The total included 881 murders, 12,230 rapes and 75,204 vehicle thefts."
It's been years since NJ's crime rate was that high. So, I don't think that makes Florida look too good.
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Innisowen
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Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Crime? Once again:

Violent crime incidents per 100,000 inhabitants, 2004
Florida: 711.3
NJ: 355.7




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tom
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Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, maybe that's where the surplus comes from -- no cops!
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Spinal Tap
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Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 6:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-7/1152858449227000.xml?starledger? ntop&coll=1

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