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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1646
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:48 pm: | 
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Me, loyal to the Chimp, NOT. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1276
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 8:36 am: |
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"Loyal to the country always. Loyal to the government when it deserves it."
Mark Twain |
3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 293
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 8:39 am: |
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"'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'" - G.K Chesterton |
Illuminated Radish
Citizen
Username: Umoja
Post Number: 20
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 1:35 pm: |
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Since we're in a quoting frenzy. "I love the place that I live, not the people in charge." -Some angry man. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3084
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/bradburycong ress.320.240.mov
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Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7533
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 1:59 pm: |
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pointless thread.. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5255
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 3:52 pm: |
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because you miss the point. |
GOP Man
Citizen
Username: Headsup
Post Number: 425
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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Strawberry absolutely gets the point, as do I. There is no point to talking about such things, because only traitorous libs care about when the U.S. is wroing. I don't need to spend any time dwelling on things that might be wrong about this country, when there's so much right. you libs are always seeing the glass half empty, when people like me are seeing it as a bountifully overflowing. you all look at something like Katrina for example, and carp about what was or wasn't done right. You see racism where there was none, and complained of incompetence when people were doing the best they could. I on the ohter hand, saw the overflowing levees and to me they stood as a stirring metaphor for the overflowing support that good Americans sent to New Orleans. No one in the world cares more for people than Americans, and I don't care to hear any sniping about every petty little mistake we might make. |
argon_smythe
Citizen
Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 849
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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Yeah GOP Man nobody on the right is harping about things that are "wrong" with this country like the fact it's filled with queers and commies and (shudder) liberals.
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GOP Man
Citizen
Username: Headsup
Post Number: 426
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:38 pm: |
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you are wrong. those are things that are wrong with the people, not with the country. |
Illuminated Radish
Citizen
Username: Umoja
Post Number: 22
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:47 pm: |
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GOP Man
"I don't need to spend any time dwelling on things that might be wrong about this country, when there's so much right. you libs are always seeing the glass half empty, when people like me are seeing it as a bountifully overflowing."
You must be angry (and therefore not thinking clearly), and can't mean this. America isn't perfect, no nation ever was, and I'm almost certain no nation ever will be. Knowing this, it doesn't mean that when things are wrong they shouldn't be fixed. If America was perfect we'd never have had to AMMEND the constitution. Being critical of your own country isn't unpatriotic, it comes from a love of your nation, and a desire to make it better. Most conservatives and liberals would agree, that things in America need to constantly be tweaked, questioned and re-examined.
What you're advocating is hubris. |
GOP Man
Citizen
Username: Headsup
Post Number: 427
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 5:17 pm: |
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this is the greatest country on earth, and I'm tired of libs trashing it. the best way to improve the U.S. is for all the whiny libs to join Johnny Depp in France.
if you libs would be honest, you'd be forthright about the fact that your "criticism" of the country is just cover for your hatred of Bush and the military. your desire for "improvement" is nothing more than an excuse to trash the government generally, and Bush specifically.
I'll have none of it. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 964
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 8:12 pm: |
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Foj preaching to the choir again?
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Illuminated Radish
Citizen
Username: Umoja
Post Number: 23
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
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GOP Man,
Typical of people who don't have an argument, you completely avoid the actual issues.
Is America the greatest country in the world for poor Americans? You might say the poor live better here then elsewhere, but that isn't true.
If America is so great, should we not worry about the oncoming social security crisis?
Do you understand that criticism is what leads to improvement, or do you think America is static and unchanging?
See, now I left you clear cut questions. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1648
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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You go GOP man, you friggin rock, LOL. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 967
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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Foj-
You like snails and Jerry Lewis? |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2103
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:03 pm: |
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Ah, patriotism...
As Samuel Johnson said, it's "the last refuge of a scoundrel."
A most apropriate quotation these days. |
argon_smythe
Citizen
Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 850
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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I love it... the country "of the people, by the people, for the people" is actually a completely separate entity from the people who live in it. And they call liberals elitist! Please, more.
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Steve R Jones
Citizen
Username: Sjthinker
Post Number: 69
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 4:42 am: |
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The most radical revolutionary will become a conservative the day after the revolution.
Hannah Arendt
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 971
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 7:34 am: |
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All I will say is can you imagine what would have happened if we elected
President Howard Dean?
Yee-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2104
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 8:59 am: |
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Steve Jones has a good Hannah Arendt quote.
Unfortunately, it has no relevance to this topic.
As to Fictionvsfiction's fascination with Howard Dean's scream, I would say the scream harmed no one except Howard Dean.
GWB's famous "we gonna smoke 'em out... There's an old saying in Texas, 'wanted dead or alive'" was "Depitty Dubya's" thin excuse for the shambles he's made of Iraq and the loss of real opportunity to root out Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 148
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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I doubt, Factvsficton, that you could make a coherent statement as to how this country could possibly be worse off than it is now with Howard Dean as president. I'm sure you can provide two-minutes hate though, very easily.
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Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 981
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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But--but--but...he yelled! Along with the crowd at a frenzied political rally! That is every bit as bad as invading a country looking for WMD's that aren't there, turning surpluses into record deficits, staying on vacation while a great American city drowns, etc etc etc. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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Listen, Here's my take on the Dean scream. When I first saw the clip and then the longer versions of it, I had no problem with it and still don't. It was a typical political stump speech and Dean is a fiery guy. I have no problem with it.
However, the fact that Dean could not manage the image and aftermath tells me his staff was not ready for prime time. To allow this meaningless episode to spin so far out of control that he went from the front runner to dropping out was a terrible political display. It is on par with Kerry's refusal to respond to the Swiftboaters and Bush 41 not taking Clinton seriously from the beginning.
I love Dean's political spirit and fight, but to allow such a little incident to derail him tells me something about him as a politician. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5259
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 2:30 pm: |
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It's a lesson that dem candidates have to re-learn: respond, quickly and forcefully. Clinton's team knew that and followed through, both in '92 and '96.
One good example of that, and I know one that you absolutely despise, was Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy" appearance on the Today show. Much as it was mocked (by right-wingers), that and other Dem efforts lashing back at Starr and the GOP Congress seemed to have worked: Bill's approval ratings remained very high and he survived the scandal. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1264
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 6:48 pm: |
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tom,
I agree. Clinton was a freakin master genius of the political persuasion. Heck, I kind of like him. Although he had to pander to the left to get elected he didn't really push the liberal agenda. I'm sure many of my MOL liberal friends would agree that the Clinton years left them far from satisfied. That is why, I've said many times, contrary to my fellow MOL conservatives, I do think Hillary could win the Presidency. We are split so evenly in the electoral college that if dumpy Al and flip flop Kerry could get within one state of winning then Hillary could walk away with it if the Repubs back a Dole type. Now with that said, Hillary doesn't worry me as a POTUS, because I know like her husband, she will say the right things to get elected and then will run for the center to establish her legacy and bipartisanship. I am not afraid of her running the country as a left wing nut, but she definitely must play the role to win the nomination. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 978
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 8:20 pm: |
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ae35unit-
Simple.
Bush= Use of Predators to kill terrorists targeting the US.
Dean= Would urge terrorists to seek counseling, and to " be about peace".
Knowledge of Real World vs. Delusions of Happy Peace World.
In "Dean world" Nancy Pelosi would be Secretary of Defense. |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 151
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 8:28 pm: |
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You proved my point exactly, Fact. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 981
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 8:31 pm: |
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And Dean's position on terrorism was? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1658
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 6:17 pm: |
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From a Lib Politician:
"Only this President and this Republican Congress would think that soaring gas prices, skyrocketing health care and education costs, stagnant wages, 37 million people in poverty and a $300 billion deficit add up to good economic news."
We could do better with a Woman DEM as President next summer. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3576
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:42 pm: |
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That option won't be available for at least 2+ years. So next summer is pretty unlikely. |
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