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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3556
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:12 am: | 
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AP reports that the geniuses at Homeland Security have determined that vulnerable "critical infrastructure and key resources" in other states include national treasures such as an insect zoo, a bourbon festival, a bean fest and a kangaroo conservation center.
However, things not making the list include the Statue of Liberty, Times Square, Brooklyn Bridge, or Empire State Building.
"The report noted that Indiana has 8,591 assets listed in the database -- more than any other state and 50 percent more than New York."
Are these guys joking?!
Our tax dollars at work, folks.
full article
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Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 12115
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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The NY Times has a chart showing the states most vulnerable, led by Indiana with over 9,000 potential terrorist targets. I will give you that the refineries and chemical plants along the south shore of Lake Michigan are somewhat inviting and maybe the Indianapolis 500, however, 9,000 plus?
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Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7532
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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Notehead fails to mention that the department's "internal" watchdog studied the faulty database and released the info. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3557
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:41 am: |
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Yeah, that's mentioned in the article. Remember when you were defending this a little while ago? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5254
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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The Bushies constantly struggle against internal watchdogs. Remember when Homeland Security was started how they tried to prevent civil service and whistleblower protection for its employees?
More gross incompetence from the administration that has redefined the term. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1249
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 6:15 pm: |
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Here I go again. I love this. The greedy libs at work again. NYC gets more money than anyone and they are still crying. But it is expected. True libs love taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Just ask Corzine. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5257
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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This has nothing to do with greed or charity or supporting the needy or soaking the rich, it's about security. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
Imagine if you will a Dem administration was proposing to spend more on seaports in Oklahoma than California, based on the fact that Oklahoma had three times as many. Would you be bringing up questions of wealth and poverty, or would you be saying that they're patently incompetent?
Your idiots at DHS said that Indiana has something like three times more sites that are potential terrorist targets than New York. If you can support that then you might have something interesting to say. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2228
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 9:49 pm: |
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Maybe someone from south of the Mason-Dixon can fill us in on why The Mule Day Parade in Tennessee is considered a terrorist target. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5258
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Only someone from south of the Mason-Dixon can fill us in on why The Mule Day Parade in Tennessee is considered a terrorist target! |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2230
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:21 pm: |
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I'm thinking of petitioning DHS to send us extra funds to protect the Maplewood Halloween Parade. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5608
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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Quote:I'm thinking of petitioning DHS to send us extra funds to protect the Maplewood Halloween Parade.
Clearly, this is a failure of our present Township administration, if the Halloween parade (not to mention Memorial Day and the push/pedal/pull on July 4) are not on the list, while the bean fest, somewhere in the midwest, is. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1644
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 9:29 am: |
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The ultimate terrorist target is not a piece of real-estate, it is the people who visit. Population should determine where the funds go. The greater the population the greater the funding.
According to the 2005 census there are 21 million people in the New York metropolitan area. That is the largest percentage of population for any area in the country about 7.5%.
Add to that fact that thus far terrorists have been totally interested in only high-profile areas like New York city, Washington DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, then you can see that it is metropolitan areas and big cities especially that should be protected. Indiana should get the scraps left over after the big cities are protected.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884087.html
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1258
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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You guys are so easily rattled that it keeps me coming back. Why are you guys so enamored with the number of sites? Why not be enamored with the actual dollars? Would you rather be state that has 200 sites listed but gets very few dollars or a state with 20 sites listed but gets the majority of the pot?
Then again, I know you liberal types. You get Phd's and expect everyone to call you Doctor.
I bet most of the country would swap sites versus dollars with NYC any day of the week.
But you can continue to cry and I'll continue to laugh. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2231
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
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dude, this is YOUR tax dollars at work, too. the fact that DHS is thinking of spending ANY federal dollars on protecting The Mule Parade should concern you too. the fact that an important and far-reaching federal agency is being run with no apparent logic is the concern, not just the share of $$$.
Do you really give any thought to what you're typing, or are you just going with stream-of-consciousness? |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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You know what rattles me Southerner?
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr071206warcost.html
Of course you and the others in the GOP-TFM contingent on MOL think using our tax dollars for anything other than killing people is socialist. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5260
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 2:36 pm: |
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Quote: Why are you guys so enamored with the number of sites? Why not be enamored with the actual dollars?
Because the dollars are wrong too.
And the dollars are screwed up because the count is screwed up. What's the purpose of the count? To help determine the dollars. Why are we up in arms about the count? Because it contributed to the f***ked up dollars.
The whole NY establishment -- including a Republican Mayor, a Republican ex-Mayor and a Republican Governor -- were every bit as outraged as us "liberal types." |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1263
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 6:40 pm: |
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tom,
I know your last sentence is true, which is why I laugh even harder. This isn't a red/blue issue this is the metro NYC area being told to take a number! I know, the nerve of anyone to not answer NYC's phone call on the first ring, or not to treat them as the center of the universe. I have stated before, I don't totally agree with DHS on this, but the reactions on MOL are so over the top that I can't help myself in my posts. NYC gets more money than anyone and yet they are crying the loudest. I know most of you who live up there are given the superiority trait from birth, but other people deserve protection as well, or in this case dollars. Why don't you metropolitans all get one one team, put a ticket together of Bloomberg and Schumer and take over Washington. Then you could take everything away from the rest of us and give it all to yourselves. Isn't this what this entire episode is about anyway? I want more, more, more, more!!!!!
And Dr., I have earmarked my tax dollars to go directly to the 4 officers patrolling during the annual lawn mower races / cat tail festival in Leary, Georgia. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2233
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 8:33 pm: |
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I would have thought you were paying more in taxes than a couple hours overtime for a handful of cops. I figured you at least were upscale enough to afford a PC and an internet connection. Or are you connecting from the Leary, GA library? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1268
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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No, it's called loopholes baby! Come on, you remember those 40 years of good old Democratic control of Congress when they were created. You should know the loopholes like you know Clinton's baby pictures. I play by the rules and life is good. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5263
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 12:54 am: |
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You keep shifting your ground, a sure sign of a losing argument. First you justified it on greed and rich/poor politics. When that didn't play, you cried party politics and the evil liberals. Now you're saying it's regional.
It's like trying to nail jello to the wall. Why not just come out and say it ... Bush did it so you genuflect before it? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14986
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 1:01 am: |
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Southerner, I think the funding should be in proportion to both the risk and the cost of losing the target. Cost should be expressed in lives, time, and dollars.
Do you think we should use some other scheme? Or should we scrap the whole idea of public funding for security? I mean, if that's what you're saying, your argument would have some merit. If there's GOING to be some funding, it's fair to argue over where it should be spent. You seem to enjoy seeing us disagree with the government over allocation. Is ANYONE allowed to disagree with allocations? If so, please tell us who.
My bet is that you won't take my invitation. No, as soon as you get a chance to show the relative merit of your argument, you duck. Or you deflect by talking about us rather than the argument. Nope, I don't think you have anything. But go ahead and try to prove me wrong.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2235
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 6:46 am: |
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loopholes, shmoopholes. ever hear of the AMT? nobody gets away with paying nothing, unless they earn nothing. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1270
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 8:14 am: |
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Reingold,
You're right. I'm not going to try and prove you right or me right. I'm commenting on the reaction.
tom,
I am like jello. If you are looking for a true honest debate then why are you coming to MOL. As for this argument being "winning or losing" as you say then I guess I won because I'm not the guy crying. You are, so I guess I won, although I've never looked at this discussion as a win or a loss but I simply enjoy laughing at the fat cat's moaning. Listen, I don't disagree completely with your point about DHS, but I do think for the area receiving the most money to do the most complaining is rather comical. You don't hear all those states who receive a pittance compared to NY crying do you.
For all of you who don't like what I represent there is an easy way to fix it, simply win a freakin campaign and then install your own cronies. Then you can eat the entire pie not just 3/4's of it. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2236
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 8:52 am: |
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you represent clownish taunting, and nothing more. |
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