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Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1654
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 5:22 pm: | 
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http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/putinbush.32 0.240.mov |
Mr. Big Poppa
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Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 781
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 8:26 pm: |
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Pretty funny.
Putin is a strange one though..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWEaKLzwUg&search=putin%20boy
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Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1017
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:27 pm: |
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Foj-
As someone who has been a traditional democratic voter for most of my life I have to say Bush has been magnificent in standing up for Israel and our own country's interests in confronting the menace of Iran.
He appreciates the geopolitical and security issues posed by the Middle East conflict,while the Europeans are craven, and Russia and China do Iran's biding in the Security Council.
IMHO you would have to be a dopey, political hack not to see it. This country comes first over partisan politics.
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Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1287
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:33 pm: |
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Foj,
I gotta admit that was a heck of a zinger. I'm sure Bush appreciates it and realizes he threw Vlad a fat pitch. Then again, you know me, I kind of like Pution. He's a crafty little dude who is just waiting until we elect some wimpy arse lib that he can man handle. Heck, I'm sure he's chomping at the bit knowing that if Bush can whip the Dems then he'll have no problem getting what he wants. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2853
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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Maybe when they both leave office they can team up as a comedy routine like Abbott and Costello. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4488
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 7:21 pm: |
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"Russia and China do Iran's biding in the Security Council"
That is fantasy on a par with Tulip's hysterical rantings.
For a number of reasons, Russia and China find it to be expedient to be either less critical or downright supportive of certain nations such as Iran and N. Korea. Both Russia and China have more to gain by being somewhat supportive of Iran than they do by being supportive of us. China wants oil contracts and doesn't carry the political baggage we carry. Russia has certain geopolitical considerations along her southern flank such that cooperating with Iran makes sense.
In general, I think both Russia and China see some benefit to acting as a restraint on the United States. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3762
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 7:27 pm: |
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I call for peace. You say that's hysteria. That's why we're in a mess, tjohn.
Russia and China have the good sense not to antagonize their neighbors, unlike some nations. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3763
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 7:34 pm: |
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tjohn:
The whole region is going to join forces against Israel now, because of Israel's actions. Israel has been planning this for months, if not years. It's not about two soldiers. Israel is making nations who might have been leaning toward alliances with Israel join other Arab and Moslem nations against it. It's a stupid move, guaranteed to eliminate any advantages and progress made toward peace, stability and development in the Middle East. The timing couldn't be worse. It shows the horror of nationalism. It's a mess. It's not good. What Israel is doing is hysterical, and I am reacting to it.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4490
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 7:48 pm: |
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Tulip,
I am inclined to agree with the geopolitical problems you have described, but what options does Israel have? Hezbollah and Hamas are committed to the destruction of Israel. And events have shown that Hezbollah has built up a strong military capability outside the control of the Lebanese government. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4491
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 7:50 pm: |
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Tulip,
I think China is in the game for China and that means securing sources of oil and other natural resources. And I am thankful for that, because when nations act in their national econonmic interests, things are more predictable. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3766
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
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tjohn:
I wrote an attempt at an answer to your first question in the G-8 thread. About your second statement (above) I agree. It is predictable, intelligent, and makes for stability. I believe the phrase is "enlightened self-interest."
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Nuff Sayid
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Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 443
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:03 pm: |
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Putin is a commie pig. He can take his KGB certificates and shove them up his •••. He's a punk who runs an impoverished nation that feeds his greed. |
J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn
Post Number: 2556
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:18 pm: |
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I can't download the clip linked above, but I think I know what it's about. The thing is, you all speak as it you didn't hear Bush's rejoinder to Vlad's "zing."
Putin answered Bush's (accurate but tone-deaf) prattling about democracy failing in Russia by saying he would not like to have the sort of "democracy" Iraq now has.
Bush answered: "Just wait."
I hate to have to record these words, but Bush is right. And let's face facts: the butcher of Chechnya has nothing to say about Israeli "disproportion." Nothing at all.
Russia's game now is all about curtailing American influence and staving off criticism. Everyone who is slow to catch on needs to ask himself whether he prefers the global influence of Putin, Assad, and Ahmadi-Nejad.
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn
Post Number: 2557
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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"The whole region is going to join forces against Israel now, because of Israel's actions."
No it isn't, Tulip. Jordan and Kuwait (although the latter is irrelevant, militarily) will sit tight. Both the Saudis and the Egyptians are pissed as hell at Hizballah and are attempting to broker a ceasefire behind the scenes.
Syria has drawn Egypt into war with Israel before (1967, with painful results), and tried again a few years ago. But the Egyptian response the second time around was, in essence, "You wankers like other people to come in and do the dying for you and clean up your messes for you. Well, not this time, ••• holes." |
Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1664
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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tjohn said: "but what options does Israel have? Hezbollah and Hamas are committed to the destruction of Israel"
And every bullet and rocket Isreal fires is committed to the destruction of
Hezbollah and Hamas.
Isreal .... & HAMAS.... perfect together.
Ya got hard liners running all the players... and they should either kill each other off, or try...... talking. This is what it comes down to. kill everybody... or make peace. And every single War I have heard about has ended.... by some sort of ....
.......negotiation...
No matter how many asss clowns die.... it will come down to ...
.......negotiation... |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10138
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:41 pm: |
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Gone are the good old days.
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tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3776
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:46 pm: |
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....and your point is..? |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3683
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:47 pm: |
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Hizbollah and Hamas are terrorist regimes intent on the destruction of anything western and especially Israel. Are you, Foj, comparing Hamas and Israel's goals? |
Ender
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Username: Enderw
Post Number: 67
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:57 pm: |
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The French want Israel to show restraint. It's too bad the French showed restraint (or was it cowardice) when attacked by German 2x in the early 20th century. The French want Israel to show restraint. Fortunately for them, we showed no restraint freeing them not once but 2x in the early 20th century. It is becoming such that French and anti-semite are starting to become inexorably linked.
Tulip - I think in one of these threads you indicated you were Jewish. You've also indicated that this is all Israel's fault. Was it the Jews fault in
1290 Edward I banished the Jews from England. 16,000 Jews left the country.
1306 King Philip the Fair banished the Jews from France. 100,000 Jews left the country.
1348 Jews were blamed for the plague throughout Europe, especially in Germany. In Strausberg 2,000 Jews were burned. In Maintz 6,000 were killed in most gruesome fashion, and in Erfut 3,000; and in Worms 400 Jews burned themselves in their homes.
1391 Persecutions in Spain. In Seville and 70 other Jewish communities, the Jews were cruelly massacred and their bodies dismembered.
1453 The Franciscan monk, Capistrano, persuaded the King of Poland to withdraw all citizens' rights of the Jewish people.
1492 The banishment of Jews from Spain. 300,000 Jews who refused to be "baptized" into the Church of Rome left Spain penniless. Many migrated to the Muslim country, Turkey, where they found tolerance and a welcome.
Welcome to a 200 year history of Jews. Look at any other 200 year history going back a couple thousand years and it looks pretty much the same. Tulip - over millenia, many have blamed the Jews for just about everything. When Jews like yourself start blaming Jews, we have a term for it - self-loathing Jew. You can explain yourself away until it's dawn, but you when you walk like a duck and talk like a duck, you are a duck. Instead of your psycho babble online and pretending that history started in 1948, why don't you actually do a little homework and learn some history.
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tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3780
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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I blame ISRAEL for BOMBING and KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE in the past FIVE DAYS
Get it?
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3781
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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ENDER< DO YOU READ ME? |
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