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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3583
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:53 pm: | 
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The guy was having a conversation and did not realize that a microphone was on. It was not a formal meeting, it was not intended to be overheard. Honestly, who cares if the prez used "the 's' word" in a conversation? There is plenty to criticize W for, but what on earth is the big deal about this? Are we all supposed to imagine that the POTUS is some kind of deity who never swears, even in private? Gimme a break. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5290
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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No problems with that here, dammit. |
The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 40
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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Good Christians like Bush aren't supposed to use profanity...ever.
Heck for Hell.
Sugar for Sh*t.
Etc. |
Robert Livingston
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Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1991
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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It's not the cussing. I agree, who gives a ••••?
It's the president is so goddamn stupid, and unpresidential. He's sitting in a room filled with cameras and microphones! Seriously, what kind of idiot is this guy? |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3691
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:15 pm: |
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Plus he was talking with his mouth full. Swallow first! |
J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn
Post Number: 2571
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:16 pm: |
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Um... did someone criticize Bush for cussing?
It's kind of ironic, IMO, that Reuters can publish the word "••••," but MOLdies cannot.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10152
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:16 pm: |
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I think they knew they could be heard. |
Wendy
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Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2772
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:20 pm: |
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I was thinking the same thing Dave. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4499
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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One thing you have to say for Bush is that he won't be quoted by future generations as are Churchill, T. Roosevelt, F. Roosevelt, etc. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1035
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:43 pm: |
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Good to see Bush put that wanker Tony Blair in his place.
Britain never wanted a UN force in Northern Ireland, and the present UN soliders never stopped any Hezbollah missles. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 12168
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:53 pm: |
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Good point. Twenty years ago UN peace keepers tended to be from Canada, Norway and Ireland, in other words educated and trained soliders. Now they are mostly from third world countries because their government wants the per diem paid for the troops by the UN.
I love Nigeria, especially how they play soccer, but I don't think Nigerian troops would be effective in Lebanon.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10153
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:58 pm: |
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Tony Blair said make it international and Bush concludes the conversation by saying he's going to call Kofi Annan.
Not sure how that puts Blair in his place. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3585
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:59 pm: |
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Aw, c'mon, Tjohn, he'll be quoted forever!
"Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better." —George W. Bush, in a press conference with Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien. Sept. 24, 2001
"I was proud the other day when both Republicans and Democrats stood with me in the Rose Garden to announce their support for a clear statement of purpose: you disarm, or we will." —George W. Bush, speaking about Saddam Hussein, Manchester, N.H., Oct. 5, 2002
"It's a time of sorrow and sadness when we lose a loss of life." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 21, 2004
"I have a record in office, as well. And all Americans have seen that record. September the 4th, 2001, I stood in the ruins of the Twin Towers. It's a day I will never forget." —George W. Bush, Marlton, New Jersey, Oct. 18, 2004
"I think it's very important for the American President to mean what he says. That's why I understand that the enemy could misread what I say. That's why I try to be as clearly I can." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." —George W. Bush, summing up his first year in office, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001 |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1040
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 2:23 pm: |
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Bush said ex-nay on the cease-fire ay to Blair.
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dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1872
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 2:37 pm: |
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Fact, I think you are confusing Tony and Kofi. It's a common mistake. |
buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 5305
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 3:11 pm: |
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If Bush really said "yo" & Blair really said "thingy"
Bush's street cred just went up!
Bush: Yo Blair How are you doing?
Blair: I'm just...
Bush: You're leaving?
Blair: No, no, no not yet. On this trade thingy...[inaudible]
Bush: yeah I told that to the man
Blair: Are you planning to say that here or not?
Bush: If you want me to
Blair: Well, it's just that if the discussion arises...
Bush: I just want some movement.
Blair: Yeah
Bush: Yesterday we didn't see much movement
Blair: No, no, it may be that it's not, it maybe that it's impossible
Bush: I am prepared to say it
Blair: But it's just I think what we need to be an opposition
Bush: Who is introducing the trade
Blair: Angela
Bush: Tell her to call 'em
Blair: Yes
Bush: Tell her to put him on them on the spot.Thanks for [inaudbible] it's awfully thoughtful of you
Blair: It's a pleasure
Bush: I know you picked it out yourself
Blair: Oh, absoultely, in fact [inaudble]
Bush: What about Kofi [inaudible] his attitude to ceasefire and everything else ... happens
Blair: Yeah, no I think the [inaudible] is really difficult. We can't stop this unless you get this international business agreed.
Bush: Yeah
Blair: I don't know what you guys have talked about but as I say I am perfectly happy to try and see what the lie of the land is but you need that done quickly because otherwise it will spiral
Bush: I think Condi is going to go pretty soon
Blair: But that's that's that's all that matters. But if you, you see it will take some time to get that together
Bush: Yeah, yeah
Blair: But at least it gives people...
Bush: It's a process, I agree. I told her your offer to...
Blair: Well...it's only if I mean... you know. If she's got a..., or if she needs the ground prepared as it were... Because obviously if she goes out, she's got to succeed, if it were, whereas I can go out and just talk
Bush: You see, the ... thing is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this •••• and it's over
Blair: [inaudible]
Bush: [inadubile]
Blair: Syria
Bush: Why?
Blair: Because I think this is all part of the same thing
Bush: Yeah.
Blair: What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way...
Bush: Yeah, yeah, he is sweet
Blair: He is honey. And that's what the whole thing is about. It's the same with Iraq
Bush: I felt like telling Kofi to call, to get on the phone to Bashad [Bashir Assad](9a and make something happen
Blair: Yeah
Bush: [inaudible]
Blair:
Bush: We are not blaming the Lebanese government
Blair: Is this...? (at this point Blair taps the microphone in front of him and the sound is cut.)
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Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1045
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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dave 23-
No confusion at all.
Kofi has Kojo, who as we know got some serious bucks via the oil for food program that dad's " company" just happened to be administering. Kofi has been a lot less frisky and independent after that.
Did not mean to say Bush told Blair no ceasefire while masticating on the open mike, apparently was said in a meeting. Blair did want an international force, which again would be useless.
Given his position on the crisis, I believe Bush should be allowed to enjoy a dinner roll. Don't you people? |
ae35unit
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Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 159
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:07 pm: |
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Fact- No I don't. The guy's the leader of the free world for f#*k's sake and you stick your head in the sand at this country's peril if you don't think his behavior matters. It's part of the reason the Israel thing is in the shape it's in. Should I point out your apparent anti Americanism?
On the president at the G8 meeting, from another blog, very well said, I think.........
I'm not sure this is such a minor story. Many people who frequent this and other blogs have internalized the fact that Bush is, at best, less than statesmanlike when not scripted and surrounded by political props. Outside of this, this message does not appear as much outside of the late night talk shows.
People ask why the U.S. is in the midst of this crisis. This recording provides a simplistic but understandable answer. While none of the major media will directly offer this intepretation, I think it's clear that they feel that this brief clip captures a president who does not look emotionally or intellectually capable of leading in this crisis.
In a world where our media is incapable of directly stating that view, clips like this exist as a proxy for honest analysis. It's news because of it stands for what the media feels it cannot say. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1051
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:54 pm: |
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ae35unit-
I have already responded to your post in another post where you also posted it.
Once we lose a sense of humor it seems to me we become like the fanatics we seem to detest ( well some of us do, detest them that is ) |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1877
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
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I finally got around to watching the video. Calling this guy an out-of-touch idiot for the last 6 years gives him too much credit. He's made stating the obvious (with mouthful of food, no less) to an artform:
"See the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this •••• and it's over."
Fact, here's the relevant exchange. No place-putting here. Bush agrees with Blair (though he may not be listening).
Blair: Yeah, no I think the [inaudible] is really difficult. We can't stop this unless you get this international business agreed.
Bush: Yeah.
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pcs81632
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Username: Pcs81632
Post Number: 73
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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I'm not surprised that he's such a potty mouth. Although talk like this does fly in the face of his born again image.
But can he, AT LEAST, close his mouth while he chews???? That's the Prime Minister of England that you're spitting partially chewed dinner rolls on.
Although Harry Truman was known for frank talk. A group of women asked Bess Truman once, "Can't you get the President to stop using the word manure?" Bess was said to reply, "Do you know how long it took me to get him to use it?"
One thing we can say for Truman, I don't think he masticated in front of Churchill and showed him the by product while he spoke.
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Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1053
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
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dave 23-
Get your point.
But how many of our Presidents were rocket scientists? Or good?
If you have had the opportunity to talk to a number of politicians over time you may get a sense of the inherent limitations of the people who seek these type of jobs.
I think Bush has the big picture correct on this particular problem, and has done a good job keeping terror from our shores. On Lebanon I read that he rejected Blair's calls for an international force. The analysis is that Blair feels his own importance is tied into by being a good # 2 to the US. In the past he was a big pusher for more " even-handedness" in the Middle East so I appreciate Bush keeping him in his place.
So let him enjoy his dinner roll. |
ae35unit
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Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 162
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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ae35unit-
"I have already responded to your post in another post where you also posted it."
And Fact, I've already posted a post on that post. So there. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1687
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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I think the most salient part of the conversation was this -
Blair: What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way...
Bush: Yeah, yeah, he is sweet
Blair: He is honey. And that's what the whole thing is about. It's the same with Iraq
What the hell are these guys talking about? |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3096
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:18 am: |
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"But how many of our Presidents were rocket scientists? "
Carter-
In the Navy he became a submariner, serving in both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and rising to the rank of lieutenant. Chosen by Admiral Hyman Rickover for the nuclear submarine program, he was assigned to Schenectady, N.Y., where he took graduate work at Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, and served as senior officer of the pre-commissioning crew of the Seawolf, the second nuclear submarine.
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mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 322
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:46 am: |
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The fact that W used that 'word' is the least upsetting thing abut the exchange. He should have been standing up and speaking face to face with Blair instead of sitting there shoving the roll into his mouth like a gavonne (sp?). The persons with most gravitas were Annan and Blair. Where is his statesmanship? When he speaks lately he seems more and more out there. At the news conference with German leader and asked questions about very serious situation developing with Lebanon and Israel, he jokes about the pig roast he is looking forward to, and tells reporters when with Putin to go have some vodka. This is the leader of the free world. He, and all of us, would have been better off if he had stayed on as Governor of Texas. He acts as if he still is in that more comfortable setting. Oh goody for him, soon he will be on the ranch vacationing the month of August clearing brush. |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3097
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:50 am: |
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Larry McMurty wrote something about clearing brush in August for no purpose being not really something most Texans do. He seemed to suspect it was a bit of a pose. |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1879
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:59 am: |
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Fact,
He has no idea what's going on. All he can do is spout the obvious and repeat what his advisors tell him. Note that he agreed with Blair on the international force (no matter what you read).
You've got a short memory: He's done a terrible job "keeping terror from our shores." |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3589
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 9:13 am: |
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Meanwhile, the press still won't leave this alone. But I must admit, I like one headline I saw recently:
"The sh_t heard 'round the world" |
mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 323
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 9:37 am: |
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According to Suskind book on former Secretary of Treasury Paul O'Neill, O'Neill pointed out that at meetings, Bush would never ask questions or say anything. |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4782
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 9:49 am: |
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I'd like to add a few other Bush quotes that will be quoted for a long time...
"Let's shmoke 'em out."
"Bring 'em on"
"Mission Accomplished"
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composerjohn
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Username: Composerjohn
Post Number: 876
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=sRd-V8B8ZXs&search=bush%20swears
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composerjohn
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Username: Composerjohn
Post Number: 877
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:33 am: |
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okay.. here's the real clip:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mKq5g9vmxd0&search=bush%20swears |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4783
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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He's plain got bad manners. |
joso
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Username: Joso
Post Number: 339
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:57 pm: |
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What a rude ignorant SOB Bush is. Here is the man who has stood up to tremendous pressure at home to save W's ••• a number of times, and the idiot can't even shut up long enough to let the man voluteer to do it again. The man continues to be a shameful disgrace. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2257
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:04 pm: |
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If you want embarrassing, check this out:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/18/presidential-groping
sheesh, so much of his behavior is just plain cringe-worthy. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1695
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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2008 cant come fast enough.
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The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 47
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:11 pm: |
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Why don't his supporters see this? Why do they never admit how embarassing he is? They don't even try and defend him in these kinds of threads. They only defend him in "policy" threads. Why is that? What happened to the notion that perception is reality? Do his supporters not care what the rest of the world thinks of us? |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1881
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:34 pm: |
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Here's what was overheard before Blair came by (per today's Times):
In the taped conversation, Mr. Bush, clearly eager to get home to the White House after six days in Europe, is heard saying, apparently to a counterpart, possibly President Hu Jintao of China, who was sitting next to him, possibly President Validimir V. Putin of Russia, his host, “Good job, gotta keep this thing moving — I gotta leave at 2:15 — you’ll want me out of town so to free up your security forces.” His counterpart agrees, “Ya,” and he laughs along with Mr. Bush’s trademark giggle.
But Mr. Bush sighs, and explains, “Gotta go home, got something to do.”
Then, more likely to Mr. Hu, he asks: “Where you going? Home? This is your neighborhood; it won’t take you long to get home.”
The response cannot be heard, but Mr. Bush exclaims, “You get home in 8 hours? Me too! Russia is a big country, and you’re a big country.”
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Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:52 pm: |
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themp-
Jimmy Carter, rocket scientist, was less respected by the Russians and the world than Ronald Reagan, bad movie actor. Proves my point. Plus we have also had drunks as Presidents. It is a strong committment to a well defined international policy agenda and the perceived willingness to use millitary assets that has been a key to successful Presidents in the recent past, FDR, Truman, Reagan.
dave 23-
Well he's your cretin until 2008. Since one man does not run every single functional office in the whole government it still doesn't mean much if we elect a brain surgeon the next time. We may find the brain surgeon could actually be worse.
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dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1884
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
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"Russia is a big country." |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2260
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:09 pm: |
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Yeah, it looks like Merkel really enjoyed this:
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3593
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:41 pm: |
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Oh my god... she's not his wife or daughter, she's the German Chancellor, for cryin' out loud. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4508
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:47 pm: |
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I can see now why Bush couldn't really make it in the military. He can only manage single-syllable expletives. In the Army, you can't communicate effectively without three syllable expletives. |
mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 324
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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he may be a in recovery from alcoholism but his speech, behavior and demeanor are shouting out underlying problems
he is so over his head
it appears that he is the one most anxiously awaiting 2008 |
tom
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Post Number: 5300
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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Quote:Jimmy Carter, rocket scientist, was less respected by the Russians and the world than Ronald Reagan, bad movie actor. Proves my point.
Meaningless comparison. Reagan worked with a Russia that had it's ••• kicked in Afghanistan, proven technologically inept at Chernobyl, a series of increasingly aging and weakened Premiers, and of course ending up with Gorbachev instead of Brezhnev in charge.
It's always remarkable how conservatives, while busy wetting themselves exclaiming Reagan's wonderfulness, never give any credit at all to Gorbachev for the changed attitude in Russia in the '80s. They ignore the Pope and Solidarity, too. Reagan was incredibly lucky to find himself President when Russia and the Warsaw Pact finally began to change. I certainly give him credit for handling much of the relationship well, especially the close personal bonds he forged with Gorbachev, and for dragging the paleo-con crew into adapting to the new reality; but he was definitely a beneficiary of circumstance too.
It's a complicated world, and as your current idol would tell you, "it's hard work figgerin' it all out." |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1320
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:40 am: |
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tom,
Great post which I pretty much agree with. It helps to be good and lucky. Reagan and Clinton are both good examples. Reagan had what you laid out (Gorbachev) and Clinton had a rockin economy. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1703
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:59 pm: |
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/18/lettermans-top-10-moments-of-geor ge-w-bush/ |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1096
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:49 pm: |
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tom-
And Jimmy Carter? Flesh out your comparison. |
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