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Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1306
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:02 pm: | 
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Can someone explain what the Democrats are doing differently during this election season than the last 4 cycles? I'm not looking for a down and dirty debate, but as a political aficionado, I'm trying to figure out what the plan is, or are they really just counting on the anti-Admin vote?
(Foj, this fat pitch is for you) |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1885
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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They are hammering out the details on how to best lose the most winnable elections. |
The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 49
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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As a political aficionado, shouldn't you be telling US? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2261
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:09 pm: |
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http://www.democrats.org/agenda.html
It's a little heavy on platitudes and generalities, but I think it beats the Republicans' proposal for 2 more years of staying the course with complete ineptitude in government. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7559
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:19 pm: |
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As Lewis Black says:
"Only the friggin Democrats are capable of finding a candidate who could lose to Bush. It's kind of like a normal person losing in the special olympics."  |
Spinal Tap
Citizen
Username: Spinaltap11
Post Number: 73
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:23 pm: |
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I clicked the link to read it. The first thing I saw was Howard Dean's face. Not a good start. |
The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 50
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:44 pm: |
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Strawberry, Black's comment ridicules Bush as well as Democrats.
Wingnuts... |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5758
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:32 pm: |
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Boston Globe had a column where Democrats are lying in wait and will try to square up their withdrawal stance to make some political gains off the bombing of Israel. It wasn't real clear, but the thrust was that by withdrawing our forces from Iraq that we'd be saving them for when we really needed them. It beats Murtha's moving them to Okinawa, I suppose. The question becomes when would the Democrats use them and does anyone think they would in a difficult fight?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/07/18/bush_fights_new_crises_dem ocrats_lie_in_wait/ |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1309
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 7:28 pm: |
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Dr.
Not a bad article that states their position. However, I just haven't heard them telling the American people this. No matter how neo-con I come across as, I love the political game and I want good campaigns and hard fought elections on both sides. Of course, I want the Repubs to win but I like a good fight. The Dems have a ton of ammo on their side (similarly they had a ton in 2004), yet they aren't getting their message out. If they are relying on the big market media outlets like the NY Times, Meet the Press, and CNN, then I'm afraid it won't work. We all know the American public aren't going to spend an extra minute or do Fojlike research on the issues. And other than political goobers like us no one cares about Meet the Press and the Sunday morning talk shows. 3ofUS, you probably know my take if you've been around at least 3 days on MOL. My goal is not to start the typical arguing. I'm just curious what the Dems are up to. I just haven't seen much fire from them since 2005. I know I tease that they peaked a year to soon, but I kind of think they did. The months are getting short and I'm actually beginning to believe that the Dems will find a way to blow this golden opportunity. Of course, that is what I am hoping for, but I didn't think they could actually blow this many in a row. Don't worry, I will get back to my neo-con arguing soon enough. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2264
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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Quote:However, I just haven't heard them telling the American people this.
That speaks volumes about you and the MSM that you had no idea this Democratic Party vision statement existed. I don't expect you to agree with it, but if you really didn't know it existed, that's pretty pathetic. If you were really so "curious what the Dems are up to" you could have done what I did and Googled the words "Democratic Party plan" and you'd have made your way to the site in less than 30 seconds. I don't believe you for one minute. I think your goal really is "to start the typical arguing." Because if you really gave a damn about learning anything, it's pretty easy information to get your hands on. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1317
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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Dr.
Where did I say I haven't heard of the plan? Of course I've heard of it. I come to MOL remember. I just haven't heard the Dems telling the American people about the plan, like I stated. If the Democratic plan is to hope that the electorate googles for the plan or inherently knows to go to democrats.org then I think that is a piss poor plan. And yes Dr., I'm not trying to argue. I'm just interested in how someone like you, a Dem, feels about your Democratic Party Leadership and the campaign. From where I sit in deep red country, I have seen nothing on TV or the newspapers that would even indicate the Dems are trying to get a message out. That is one of the reasons I come to MOL.
Let me be fair. I don't see the Repubs doing a whole lot either, but they don't have to. Incumbency is a bear to overcome and I think my team is relying on this a little too heavily. Although, I can't blame the Repubs because they have kind of crushed the opposition the last few elections. Maybe your Democratic Leadership is indeed getting their message out. That is what I'm asking. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2265
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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you said it here:
Quote:I'm trying to figure out what the plan is, or are they really just counting on the anti-Admin vote?
are you really not paying any attention to what you're typing? Because if you can't remember what you wrote this afternoon, that would be the conclusion I'd draw. |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7560
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:07 pm: |
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The3ofus writes:
"Strawberry, Black's comment ridicules Bush as well as Democrats."
Duhhhh! Do you think so??
libs.
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The Man
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Username: Bumboklaat
Post Number: 187
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:23 am: |
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"Well, when I went off to college, the guys I used to hang with were pumping gas and voting Democrat. Today they're still pumping gas and voting Democrat. Guess the Democrats didn't do much for them."
-Charles Barkley
Yet another reason to love the round, mound, of rebound. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1079
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 7:13 am: |
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The dems will end up with yet another reactive campaign rather than a solid well-reasoned proactive campaign. You can say Bush is an idiot all you want but he has had them flumoxed for years.
Unfortunatly they have the bright lights trio of Reid-Pelosi-Dean who have shown limited effectiveness in framing a comprehensive approach. Too bad there isn't a young Bill Clinton-type lurking out there somewhere that can step up.
And they are probably going to have to keep Murtha in the closet, lest he say something that is going to boomerang on them. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1319
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 8:57 am: |
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Dr.,
Your line of reasoning is why the Dems continue to lose.
My statement that you lambasted - "I'm trying to figure out what the plan is, or are they really just counting on the anti-Admin vote?" still holds valid.
I am not talking about their written plan hidden away on some website. If you think that is sufficient then I'll laugh through November. How are they going to implement this beautifully written plan? Are you suggesting that all the Dems need to do is post a written plan on the web? You can't be serious can you? When the Repubs took over Congress, they not only had a written plan "Contract with America" but they actually took the plan to the American people. Don't you remember. They were seen everywhere for months at a time pounding away with that plan. TV appearances, TV ads, mass mailings, local Reps taking it to their districts. That is what I mean about what are the Democrats doing and what is their plan. I just can't believe the Dems are capable of blowing this. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2266
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 9:11 am: |
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no it doesn't hold valid. this entire thread is a bunch of contradictions. you start by saying you don't know what the plan is, but later you say in fact you really do. so how did you know about it if the Democrats were keeping it secret? you're just here flogging a tired meme which is "the Dems have no plan" blah, blah, blah... You're saying that even if you know they do have a plan.
And in FACT, the link I posted has Howard Dean talking about the platform on NBC, which I'm pretty sure reaches people in red states as well as blue. How much larger a platform do you want them to use to communicate their ideas than network TV?
If you want to say that the press won't cover the Democrats' platform, or voters won't pay attention, that's a completely different argument. But (you say) you knew all along the Democratic platform existed. So why the BS about "there's no plan" and they're just going to be "anti-Bush."
yet another vacuous thread intended as a starting point for you to taunt all us misguided libs. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3598
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Well, Ralph Reed, uber-cretin, lost the Georgia primary. George Wallace Jr lost the Alabama primary.
I haven't looked into the crop of potential newcomers too much, but we lefties can hope that in the states that don't shift from Republican to Democrat, there will be some new Republican folks that won't be as acutely horrible as their predecessors. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1322
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:52 pm: |
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Notey,
I'm hoping the same thing. And that has been my point. I think you will see many Republicans being replaced by other Republicans and this is a good thing. And for the record, I can't stand Reed and I hope he is now purged.
DR.,
You are the one trying to pick a fight here. Okay, let's not use the word plan because obviously we have two different meanings of that word. You use it to mean the written down Democratic Plan that has been offered, which I did know about. When I say plan, a guess I mean strategy. Other than having a written plan and promoting that plan on a Sunday morning news show that very few people watch, how are they getting this plan out to those who have NOT elected them in the past. Isn't that what the Dems need to take back control? They need to turn red districts blue. I am curious as to what they are doing which is why I made my initial post. If you just want to argue then I can do that as well. Actually, I don't need to argue because I just point to the scoreboard. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2267
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:21 pm: |
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so in other words, their vision statement is not what you meant. it's meaningless to you as a strategy or plan. you just want to know how they plan to troll for votes.
wow, that's even more trivial than the point I thought you were trying to make. I thought you actually cared about their ideas. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1324
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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Dr.,
Finally, we understand each other. No, I don't care about their ideas. I am not on the fence like most MOL'ers are not. However, yes, I am interested in how they plan to "troll" for votes as you say. However, I call it how they plan to get their guys elected so they can actually put into practice their written "plan".
Again, you make the differences even clearer with that statement. So you think telling the electorate what you believe in is "trivial". That is beautiful and now I understand even more why you are associated with losing. If campaigning is beneath you then I expect you'll continue to be miserable. As for me and my neo-con friends, we will continue to "troll" for votes because we understand that they are kind of important.
Now, if there is any other poster who does not believe getting your parties message out is "trivial" please let me know what you've seen the Democrats do that will bring them back into power. (Other than post a plan on an obscure website). |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1090
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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Bottom line-
At the moment-
Hillary is going to be the candidate here, because the dems are spineless in terms of running an electable candidate, and because the Clintons know where all the skeletons are buried. ( Sorry progressives you will the total latchkey kids here. Bill and Hill know what they are doing to win national office).
Obama will get the Mafia break-the-legs pressure to be the VP candidate. "Howie" Dean will be kicked out, with promises to be the Ambassador to Swaziland or something and Rahm moved in. He can be trusted.
Karl Rove will have multiple big "O"s on hearing the news, and start planning something wicked in the White House basement.
The progressive rocket scientists will be standing around like they just get hit by a bus. Harry and Nancy will kiss the ring of the annointed one. Just you wait. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2268
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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southerner,
I didn't say getting a message out is "trivial," I said it's trivial to be concerned about process and completely unconcerned with content, which is what you're claiming. you can root for your "team" if that entertains you, but in the end that's hollow. the philosophical emptiness at the heart of that kind of thinking is pretty sad. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5302
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:13 pm: |
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Nothing conservatives like more than humping on the idea of Hillary being the candidate. They're so busy trying to create buzz they could be on her payroll.
Imagine if we libs spent so much effort pushing Frist?
Quote:No, I don't care about their ideas. ... However, yes, I am interested in ... how they plan to get their guys elected so they can actually put into practice their written "plan".
One good way that one gets one's base to come out and vote is by getting them excited about, yes, their ideas. What else have you got? Come out and vote for me because ... because ... because ...
Ideas are the foundation of any campaign. All your favorite GOP winners had 'em. So stop being disingenuous. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2269
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:17 pm: |
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and of course, unlike rooting for your team to win the World Series, the outcome of which "team" wins an election has real consequences for real people. if the "Kerry team" had won in '04, we'd have a stem cell research bill signed into law today. But the "Bush team" won, so we don't.
of course ideas count. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1326
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:52 pm: |
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Dr.,
Where did I say I never cared about content? And I think most posters would agree that I am far from "philosophical emptiness". I just believe strongly in a different philosophy. You may think it's wrong but it isn't empty (see most recent election results my friend).
I just don't care about the Democrats content. Do you really care about the Republicans written plan. Something tells me you believe it is a bunch of lies and regurgitated platitudes. The issue is not about ideas. Everyone has ideas. The issue at election time is getting voters to pull your lever so you can move forward with those ideas. Your statement about stem cell research is dead on. If the Democrats were able to get voters to vote for them then they could actually see all or part of their "plan" put into implementation.
That is what I am asking in this thread. I don't care what the Democrats believe, but I do care how they are going to convince voters who did not vote for their candidates 2 years ago to now vote for them. So far your only answer has been to have them read the "Democratic Message". This might be a good first step but now what? Are the Dems now running ads explaining this message in Republican Districts? I don't know which is why I'm asking. From where I sit I have seen nothing from the local Democratic Office. I'm just curious how they are intending to take back some districts.
tom,
Good point about getting the voters excited, but how are the Democrats getting voters excited? That is my question. I know how the Repubs are getting their voters excited, they use the flag burning/gay marriage type issues. You may not like these issues (I don't), but they get people excited and create a buzz. Where is the Democratic buzz? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2270
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:52 pm: |
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you said it here:
Quote:No, I don't care about their ideas.
Let's just agree to disagree. You love politics as a game, as a pastime like I enjoy baseball. I thnk that's shallow, silly, trivial and at its core, empty. You disagree.
but in hundreds and hundreds of posts on MOL you haven't demonstrated any interest in anything beyond the political "horse races" and taunting the "losers." and I think that's trivial compared to the business of governing. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1327
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 8:34 pm: |
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Dr.,
You and I probably agree more than you think on the game versus the philosophy. Let me say, I am not shallow nor empty. I have spent years looking at each and every position of each party just like you probably have. I wish I could take some positions from each party and create in my opinion the perfect party. However, I can't. Therefore, like you do, I have to support a candidate based on the totality of his/her positions and party affiliation. And looking at the totality, I agree with conservatives and therefore Republicans. Just like you support the Democrats.
You take my lack of discussion of individual topics as me being empty. This is not the case. I respect guys like you, who, like me, have formed an opinion based on a lifetime of learning. I do not come to MOL to attempt to "change" others opinions. I understand and accept that you believe what you believe. I assume you put a lot of thought into each position you take so therefore who am I to tell you that you are wrong? I also don't have any interest in discussing topics with which we agee. You are probably pro-choice as am I. I would much rather spend a thread discussing how we can make the electorate more pro-choice rather than discussing why we have that position. (Remember, I doubt we just woke up pro-choice. At least in my case I spent a boatload of years forming my opinion).
Therefore, as educated people who disagree, the only area to discuss with rationality is the "game". The "game" is how educated people make the decision, sans firearms, on which way to proceed.
As for taunting the losers, I really don't like doing this and do it rarely. I only taunt when someone makes an outrageous claim, such as conservatives are out of touch. Maybe, we are, but that means a lot of voters agree with our out-of-touchness. I don't think I have taunted on this thread at all.
Yes, we disagree, and I think a lot of it is what we are trying to accomplish via MOL. I like to discuss the "game" of politics more than the nuts and bolts of each issue. That doesn't mean I'm empty. I don't think anyone on MOL is empty. The empty people are those who don't vote and don't care. You and I both care tremendously which is why we come here. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2871
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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Southerner: The last Paragraph of your above-post is very very good, my friend! 
I think folks can debate the "nuts and bolts" of issues on MOL, and that someone's opinion on a given issue can change if he or she is led to view it a different way through discussion with others. I also think you have the perfect right to begin a discussion on "the game" and to start a thread on any topic you choose. You have a right to ask any question you like. I enjoy discussing both "issues" and "the game" and often the latter is more fun because it is less emotional and divisive.
Now I am going to answer your initial question. The head of the Dem Senatorial campaign is Schumer. The head of the House campaign is Rahm Emmanuel. I think they will both approach the campaign as "political technocrats". The "vision thing" as the first Bush used to call it is OK, but Schumer and Emmanuel are going to look at the seats they think they can cherry pick from the GOP. They are going to see which of the Dem candidates need money for media and which need bodies to get out the vote. They are going to check the local issues and what National and International issues are important to a particular District, as well as the profile of the GOP candidate. If my guess is right, some Dem candidates are going to campaign mainly about Iraq, and others will hardly mention it. Some will talk about stem cell research and others may campaign as a great friend of Israel. And some are going to campaign on the incumbent being a crook, or lazy, or not attentive constituent services or too close to "The Washington Establishment".
If I'm running the Dem campaign against Chris Shays, I run it completely differently then a Dem campaign in South Carolina.
What do you think? |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1095
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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tom-
The democratic party is like a baseball team that has let its farm system go to pot. Who do you have new, fresh, and exciting?
The usuals. Hillary, Gore, Edwards, Biden et al. So Hillary has to be the favorite. Face facts they won't put up a prior loser, and Edwards proved he didn't have enough seasoning, at least for now, the last time.
Your other option is if your wacko fringe wants to start a "draft Murtha" campaign.
If Bush has been running the country into the crapper as you guys post daily, she has a pretty good shot at it, arguably better than Kerry.
You take what you can get in politics. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1331
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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I think you should call them and offer analysis. I think that is a good assessment. Perhaps, the reason I am not hearing anything down here is because the Dems have thrown in the towel in deep red states. I guess part of the reason I brough this topic up was because I remember, as many of you do, 1994 and the so called "Republican Revolution". Those guys had a plan and beat it to death in every district in the country and it worked fantastically. Even as neo-con as I am, I remember turning the channel every time another one of my own kind came on the tube because they were everywhere.
As a fan of the "game" I was really looking forward to the Dems coming out strong with vigor looking to storm the country. If, as you postulate, they are cherry picking districts then it might work as well. However, that would be a temporary fix which may gain them back some power for a two year period but it would allow us neo-cons to continue to cement up the rest of the country this strategy would leave unattended. And then we could cherry pick and regain power. The next two decades will be interesting to see if the Dems can get back, or if the Repubs are the new Democrats of old.
Either way, your analysis of the game gets an A from me.
As for the nuts and bolts of issues, I agree with you with a twist. If someone changes their mind due to some readings or postings on an internet message board, then that tells me they were never really that committed to their position in the first place. Keep in mind I am basing my reference point on what I have gone through to reach my positions. Part of the reason I come across the way I do is because I am rock solid in my belief system on political issues because I have spent a lifetime coming to these beliefs. Believe me, my pro-choice position gets me no kudos in certain circles of my life, but I don't shirk away when the conversation comes up. Although we are all neo-con wingnuts they probably think I am as condescending as many posters on MOL, and these are my friends. Needless, to say I don't stoke the fire in real life as I do on MOL, but I am every bit as firm in my political beliefs whether it comes from a liberal poster on MOL or my preacher. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1332
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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Facts,
I've admitted this before and will say it again. Hillary scares me. She could easily win by a respectable margin if the Repubs aren't careful. Remember daddy Bush getting whipped by another Clinton. We are so close electoral college speaking that a few states that got us Bush could easily get us Hillary. However, if she does win, I think she will govern like her husband with an eye towards history. Therefore, she will leave the left wing unsatisfied and won't really govern like a true lib. This will keep her poll numbers in the mid-50's which would give her a nice legacy as the first female POTUS. |
bottomline
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Username: Bottomline
Post Number: 455
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:47 pm: |
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I like Newt Gingrich's advice. He said recently that if he were running the Democrats' campaign this year he would rely on the simple the slogan, "Had enough?" I don't often agree with Newt, but he is a smart guy.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1334
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:54 pm: |
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Okay, it's time to end this thread. I'm not looking to improve the Dems chances and I'm sure somewhere Foj is feeding this type through her 50 state delegate. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2271
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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southerner,
I had two reactions to your reply above. The first was that I agree with your last paragraph.
the second reaction was:
Quote:As for taunting the losers, I really don't like doing this and do it rarely.
I'm nonplussed  |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1711
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 1:04 pm: |
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Here are some very good dems
Blue Dog Dems
Here are some young rising dem stars
30 Something Dems
The democrats are speaking but the press is not covering what they are saying because the democrats are not in power and have not been able to get legislation to the floor. But they are here and they are talking about the issues and once the democrats are voted in, you will be the one saying "Hey who are these guys?". Well pay attention. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1105
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:06 pm: |
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Southern-
The dems with Hillary, will win if Obama comes out as the VP. As per what people tell me, he won't. He wants the whole thing and will bide his time. |
Twokitties
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Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 467
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 8:26 pm: |
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I honestly think Obama could take it in '08. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2875
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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Southerner:
Thank you for the "A", Professor.
Last time I got an A was in College, in a Poli-Sci course! |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5771
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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Hoops - -the press is covering what the Democrats are saying. They're mostly complaining, and other than withdraw/retreat they don't seem to be saying anything substantively. If they are, the don't have enough people saying the same thing so it comes out as mush.
Say you want to raise taxes. Say you want universal healthcare. But mostly they're nipping around the edges if they're even doing that. The GOP taunts Dems by saying "offer us a plan" and Democrats say they don't have to offer a plan because they're not in power (which presumes they get a plan after they're elected??) and they fall back on complaining. That's the only thing I feel they're clear on. And believe me -- it's getting covered. I'm surprised you've missed it. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1720
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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Blue dogs are saying we have to rein in spending and lower the deficit. Not complaining about it but pointing out the inconsistency in the majority parties budgeting. The republicans gave tax cuts to the rich and then didnt have the money to balance the budget. The resulting deficits are now $28,000.00 per person. That ranks as a large tax in my book.
You can call it complaining if you want. I see that they have resolutions that can not get to the floor because the republicans will not allow them to.
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1669
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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-National Literature Canvass, started in April, earlier than before.
-4 DNC paid staffers for NJ, in April , never had that many staffers, this early.
-Money for every race in Congress.
None of these things were done in the past.
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5777
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 9:18 pm: |
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Hoops -- you mean the Blue Dogs who complain about deficit spending and then add more money (and those earmarks!) to budgets offered by the President? Just like the Republicans?
And what cuts do they offer, except to the military in times of war? Farmers? Entitlements? You can try talking about tax cuts, but it's a tough argument when you have record tax receipts rolling in (which usually happens after broad based cuts in tax rates). |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1160
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 9:25 pm: |
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Foj-
Pulling defeat from the jaws of victory has been a dem mainstay over the past years.
Good luck with the "screamer" in charge. |
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