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bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 269
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:02 am: | 
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It was not just the war that did Joey in. Remember, he was all for federal intervention in the disgraceful Terry Schiavo matter. He's out of touch with CT democrats and they just gave him a kick in the ••• via the democratic process. |
steel
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Username: Steel
Post Number: 1100
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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Joe will quit. No money. He's gotten used to years of living in a house filled with democratic furniture but soon they will come to repossess.
The mid-east will be even more f_'d-up and gas prices even more jumped-up by mid-elections and well beyond. Anybody can see that.
Too much has been set in motion and now any government's motions to "make it better" is just a long dizzy dance played out until they hand the jabber-talk duties to somebody else.
Vote. Or better yet, -run. Or maybe better yet, -run for cover. But not just yet. You can still go down to the pub clink cold beers and watch rodeo on TV.
Mel, is He coming?
Meanwhile, Tom DeLay can't even win at quitting. Poor bastard. |
Spinal Tap
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Username: Spinaltap11
Post Number: 130
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:17 am: |
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The Left just handed the Republicans a gigantic club to beat the Democrats over the head with for the next 3 months. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1412
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
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Billy,
I hope you felt that same way when Gore had to be shown the door kicking and screaming.
As for Joe, he lost round one. Why do you Lamont guys care if Lieberman runs as an Independent? If he has become a joke and will lose, then just sit back and enjoy watching him become a side show. Something tells me your words don't give your true feelings.
Why can't any of you libs just be honest for one time. This is an anonymous board so honesty should be easy.
Let me say what you are really thinking - "Yes, finally, we won something last night. Lamont actually beat him. Wow, the first time in years I've woken up pleasantly surprised and happy. Uugh, Joe is actually going to do the independent thing. That means my boy Lamont has to fight on two fronts and freaking Joe is a nice enough guy to actually get some Repubs to vote for him. Why couldn't this have been the general election, why! Now, my guy Lamont has to spend the next few months "moderating" to appeal to some of these jerk off conservatives who live up here. Now, since I finally have a victory I need to log on to MOL and for the first time in 12 years feel proud of something, even though my guy hasn't been sworn in yet." |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3168
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
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'I half expect the guy to show up in Washington in January and just keep working as "Senator"'
Funny!
I think he got a little self-important. When these guys fall, you realize how crazy the power and prestige has made them.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2315
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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Quote:As for Joe, he lost round one. Why do you Lamont guys care if Lieberman runs as an Independent?
Because even if Lamont beats Lieberman, this will divide the Democratic party. And that's a really big club for Republicans to use on them. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5784
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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That presumes that the Democrats are united. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2316
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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they usually only have one candidate per office. |
Nuff Sayid
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 471
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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Oh well, don't fall on your face.... 
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Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1845
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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Democratic leadership quickly backs Lamont
Sen. Lieberman says he can not accept loss, vows to fight on
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/09/democratic.primaries/index.html
"I am in this race to the end. For me, it is a cause, and it is a cause not to let this Democratic Party that I joined with the inspiration of President Kennedy in 1960 to be taken over by people who are so far from the mainstream of American life that I fear we will not elect Democrats in the numbers that we should in the future."
Whooooooooooooo! |
Billy Jack
Citizen
Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 219
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 1:00 pm: |
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OK, Southerner, I'll take the bait.
Gore (and Bush for that matter) waited for the appeal and legal process to run its course. i don't know what you saw at the time, but when there were no more appeals and the Supreme Court weighed in, Gore conceded. I have no idea what "kicking and screaming" you are referring to. Many Democrats (including Lieberman from some reports) thought he should have put up more of a fight. For my money, Gore handled himself with a measure of dignity and humor that I seldom see from politicians. It is a very different behavior than what we see in CT now. This isn't about punch card ballots in Corwall Bridge- Lieberman lost.
As for what Democrats talk about amongst ourselves, don't be so presumptuous. It is still a big tent. With Lieberman we are talking about a politician that plays by the rules until they go against him. Would he run against Dodd to get reelected? Any Democrat? If he stepped away from the party earlier this year because of diffrences, that might have showed courage- but this shows opportunism.
By the way, as I have said to you on other boards, I am probably one of those "Democratic Hawks" that they keep talking about. I regret to say I would have voted to go to Iraq. And I am not enthusiastic about Lamont. And I have said here that I would have voted for Lieberman if I still lived in CT. But I think his behavior here is craven and embarassing. As fare as I'm concerned, he is done as a Democrat.
By the way, I wonder why Republican's take such delight in this- if not for the short term benefit of seeing Democrats sort out their candidates. Is this a policy you would encourage Republicans to take through the primaries? If McCain loses to Frist in the primaries, should he bolt the party and run as an independent? And even if you think it might be a good idea, how would that play with Republicans through the primary process? Should Chafee run as an independent if he can't run as a Republican?
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3687
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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Southerner, please do elucidate us about the "kicking and screaming." While it may be true that I am still kicking and screaming to some degree ( ), that could never be said of Gore at any point.
Hey Straw, how about that bet I offered you? |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5435
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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Alas, the only principle these types seem to hold is that whatever is good for Republicans, then that's what's good. Gore ran the process to its conclusion, and that's characterized as "kicking and screaming"; yet when a Republican candidate for governor in Washington lost by a narrow margin, and all his appeals ran out, he actually called for an entirely new election! Or when DeLay isn't allowed to violate Texas election law and have his name taken off the ballot, they threaten the judges.
Maybe the extra money from the tax cuts is all worth it. I can think of one another profession where you cast aside your scruples and do whatever's necessary for a buck. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7682
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 1:21 pm: |
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$20.00 Notehead.. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1413
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 1:57 pm: |
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Man, you guys take things so personally. Please relax and let's just have a civil conversation. Your guy won so why are you all uptight?
Dr.,
I respect your honesty, but I don't think you have to worry about the Repubs winning a seat in Connecticut so the club isn't really that big.
Billy,
We don't disagree that much. And this is for Tom and Notey as well. I was responding to Billy's statement that Joe lost so he should just go home. Gore didn't just go home when he lost did he? No. He fought and fought and fought which I respected. And make no mistake, Gore was calling the shots and he was kicking and screaming the entire process, otherwise, he would have simply conceded. Billy wants Joe to just "go home". To that I say, if Gore can fight for months invoking every level of the court system then Lieberman certainly has the right to switch parties to run in a general election. I would think you Gore supporters would embrace Joe's steadfastness and tenacity. The Democratic Party could use some more guys with backbones.
As a neo-con I personally don't care one way or the other if Lieberman runs and wins or loses. I just don't care but either way the seat won't be Republican. And yes, I do enjoy the fighting within Democratic ranks, but unfortunately other than putting the focus on this one fight it doesn't help my Republican cause much. Remember, all I care about is winning and we won't be winning in Connecticut so I won't be spending much energy on this race. However, since it's one of the few threads not about the Middle East I will keep chiming in.
Notey,
I like your guts in putting $100 on the line. I doubt you'll have any takers because that is a tough call. I sure won't be putting $100 on the line for Lieberman. As a Repub, I do hope this singular campaign keeps the media's attention because I don't want Dems getting the press in the other races. |
Billy Jack
Citizen
Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 220
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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Of course, Lieberman has the right-- the right to run as an independent and look like an idiot. I don't respect that. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3691
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 2:50 pm: |
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Straw, let's do this: If Lieberman, as an Independent, wins the upcoming election to remain senator for CT, I will donate $20 to MOL. If he doesn't then you donate $20 to MOL. Deal?
I don't think Lieberman is a bad guy, and he would have been a fine VP, but I think his political career is over. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1829
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 3:03 pm: |
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[Dave reading that grinning ear to ear] |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 2003
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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The kiss of political death.
The real lesson learned: Watch how fast GOP candidates run away from this psychopath. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1353
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 5:23 pm: |
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I guess I am just going to have to accept the idea of President Jeb Bush.
I hope our anti-Iraq Borg Collective here are enjoying their brief day in the sun and hoisting the celebratory kool-aide.
And yes Winston, make no mistake about, Karl Rove is smiling today from ear to ear.
Time for you to roll out.... the terminator.... Bob Schrum? |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10397
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 5:27 pm: |
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Why do you hate America? |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1355
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 5:30 pm: |
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Dave-
"Love it, or Leave It"?
Guess you were in favor of the Vietnam war.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10399
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 5:32 pm: |
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You hate America. Especially Connecticut. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1358
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 5:51 pm: |
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Dave-
I love the real America. And I love the much lower taxes in CT. May move there when the dems push our NJ taxes through the roof.  .
But not where your boy Neddie comes from. I come from working people after all. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5707
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 7:52 pm: |
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Quote:I love the real America. And I love the much lower taxes in CT.
Really?
The Tax Foundation thinks that Connecticut has a higher state and local tax burden than New Jersey.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/336.html |
The3ofUs
Citizen
Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 84
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 8:07 pm: |
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We're all waiting for your next, predictably smug post, FvF.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5439
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 9:51 pm: |
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Quote:Lieberman said that he fired his campaign manager and spokesman, and asked for the resignations of his campaign staff.
"We did not answer, adequately answer, the distortions of my record on Iraq and my relationship with George Bush, that the Lamont campaign put out," said Lieberman, though he said he did not blame campaign workers. --Associated Press
Quote:On Hardball, Ken Mehlman refused to endorse the Republican candidate in the CT senate race. -- via Atrios
Quote:According to a close Lieberman adviser, the President's political guru, Karl Rove, has reached out to the Lieberman camp with a message straight from the Oval Office: "The boss wants to help. Whatever we can do, we will do." --stricly rumor, attributed to Stephanopolous
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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15526
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
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Hopefully, Lieberman will will in November.
And then Schumer and Hillary and the rest of the hypocrites will come running towards him and act like they're his pals.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10410
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:03 pm: |
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Just like he'd run to them, as he has in the past. It's the nature of politics.
I think he'll place 3rd though. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2317
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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sbenois reporting from Upside Down World, in which Joe Lieberman, who campaigned by strongly asserting that he is a real Democrat, now turns around and runs against the Democratic nominee. but Clinton and Schumer are the hypocrites for supporting the Democrat.
support Lieberman if you like, but at least recognize Joe's own hypocrisy for what it is. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15527
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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The only difference between the three is that Lieberman was up for election this year. All supported the war.
Sorry to point this fact out to you. Nice to see that the Democrats are so willing to Swiftboat their own.
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1833
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:30 pm: |
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Swiftboat as an adjective describing what exactly? Lying about Liebermans record? Impugning his character?
It doesnt work this way. A primary is held and the incumbent invariably gets the endorsement of the party. When that incumbent LOSES the primary then the WINNER of the primary gets the parties endorsement because that is what the PEOPLE of the state wish.
There is nothing incorrect in that. If Lieberman intends to run as an independent then that is what he gets, independance. The party should support the primary winner. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10411
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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Lieberman didn't simply support the war. He took up the administration's Big Lie of conflating 9/11 with Iraq. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5440
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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Hillary is in fact up for re-election this year.
Lieberman said, "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years...We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."
Other Democrats believe that we're in greater peril if we unquestioningly follow the President whatever he does. Lieberman himself had it right once upon a time. When he was running for the nomination in '04 he said, "In our democracy, a president does not rule, he governs. He remains always answerable to us, the people. And right now, the president’s conduct of our foreign policy is giving the country too many reasons to question his leadership. It’s not just about 16 words in a speech, it is about distorting intelligence and diminishing credibility." |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15529
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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Tom, of course you're right about Hillary. My mind was busy praying for Randy Johnson's no-hitter to get broken up.
It was.  |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2939
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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Hillary is up for re-election this year. She has an anti-war challenger in the Primary.
And yes Winston, make no mistake about, Karl Rove is smiling today from ear to ear.
Anyone who believes that has little understanding of either politics or Mr. Rove. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2318
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:49 pm: |
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Quote:The only difference between the three is that Lieberman was up for election this year. All supported the war.
non sequitur.
What does that have to do with their alleged "hypocrisy" for supporting Lamont? They are members of the Democratic Party, and they are supporting the legitimately chosen Democratic candidate for Senate in CT. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2940
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:51 pm: |
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Sometimes a thread moves too fast for me. Maybe I'll start a new one. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2319
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:55 pm: |
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Quote:Other Democrats believe that we're in greater peril if we unquestioningly follow the President whatever he does.
tom has hit the proverbial nail on the head. Rather than bloviate and speculate, it's often informative to look at the facts. And in CT, exit polls showed that the war was not the sole reason for Lamont supporters to reject Lieberman. A very important reason was Lieberman's general support for Bush. That means the support for torture, for Alito, for increased domestic surveillance, and a general increase in the concentration of power in the executive branch.
The poll results showed that 40% of voters who oppose the war actually voted for Lieberman.
Quote:- As expected, the war in Iraq played a significant role in the race with "a significant majority" of primary voters saying they disapproved of the U.S. decision to go to war with Iraq, and most of them cast their ballots for Ned Lamont. Of those surveyed, 78% disapproved of the decision to go to war.
- Among the war’s opponents, 60% cast their vote for Lamont, while 78% of the smaller group who supported the U.S. decision to go to war voted for Lieberman.
- Lieberman’s relationship with President Bush was also a factor in the race. 59% of Democratic primary voters said Lieberman was too close to the President, while 41% didn’t think so. Those who said Lieberman was too close to Bush voted overwhelmingly for Lamont.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/08/09/exit_poll_results.html
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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15530
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:55 pm: |
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Okay Winston, that's fair.
Withdrawn.
And the White Sox are coming back!!!!!!!! |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5442
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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They're still going to lose. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15531
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:59 pm: |
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Hey, ya never know. 7-3 now. And the best part is that by getting a hit it means that Hank won't be calling me at midnight to gloat. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15533
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:02 pm: |
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7-6 |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5444
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:05 pm: |
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I've seldom seen a batter look as pathetic as that first batter against Mariano just did. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15534
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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That was what we used to call a carrot step. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3698
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:22 am: |
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Never got an answer from Straw. I guess he can't spare the $20 due to the price of gas, or something. (Or he knows he'll lose.) |
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