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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1675
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 9:42 pm: | 
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DISPATCH POLL
Strickland far ahead, early poll indicates
Democrat strong across board; Brown maintains 8-point edge over DeWine in Senate race
Sunday, July 23, 2006
Darrel Rowland
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Democrat Ted Strickland has surged to a surprising lead of 20 percentage points in the first Dispatch Poll on Ohio’s Nov. 7 race for governor.
Meanwhile, Democrat Sherrod Brown holds an 8-point edge in his bid to unseat two-term Republican Sen. Mike DeWine.
Strickland’s 47-to-27 advantage over GOP rival J. Kenneth Blackwell is fueled by a more than 3-to-1 lead among independent voters, combined with Blackwell’s inability to sell himself to Ohio Republicans.<snip>
http://www.dispatch.com/?story=dispatch/2006/07/23/20060723-A1-01.html
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5323
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 5:12 pm: |
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It will be interesting to see what rocks Ohio dems will start to turn over once elected to the statehouse, and what kinds of slimy things they'll find underneath. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1344
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |
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Ohio? Ohio? How soon you forget about Diebold! |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3540
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 5:48 pm: |
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Ohio has one of the fastest growing populations of evangelicals in America. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1679
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 7:49 pm: |
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The evangelicals certainly did not come out and vote for Ralph Reed in the GA. Primary for Lt. Gov. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5327
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:55 pm: |
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It would be even more interesting to see the reaction on the street if Blackwell "miraculously" turns around a twenty-point disadvantage overnight. I can hear the Republicans now: "Gee, it must be those polls that are wrong." You know, the ones that have been progressively refined over the last 50 years ever since they got bit in the ••• by "Dewey Defeats Truman"?
Couldn't be the voting machines ... they're run on computers, so they must be good! |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1684
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:14 am: |
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ES&L, used to be KKK land. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1346
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 9:03 am: |
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tom,
Nothing like having your excuses in line months before the election. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5330
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:47 am: |
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Are you still trying to say that election fraud is impossible?
Blackwell has a lot at stake. If he loses, his first call ought to be to a good criminal defense attorney. If he turns around 20 points overnight, your side is going to need an explanation too, one I'll bet is already set up now, months before the election. |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7589
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:49 am: |
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Southerner is right. Tom expects to lose and expects to blame fraud for the loss. Can you imagine having such a mind set? "I know I can't win so what are my excuses?"
Sad way to go through life. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5332
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Why would I expect to lose when my guy has a 20-point lead? I expect to win. And if the November polls, including exit polls, indicate my guy still has a big lead, well he damn well better win or something is crooked.
Clear enough? |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7590
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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No, why is your guy a clear cut favorite to win an election that won't take place until November? Wasn't Lieberman up by like 30 points 90 days ago? Democrats have a way of blowing elections. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5333
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:16 pm: |
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Read, strawberry, read.
Quote:And if the November polls, including exit polls...
Argue against what's really said, don't make stuff up. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1686
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 9:36 pm: |
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Straw... was Lamont in the race .... about 90 days ago.
Even assuming you are right... Lamont has come from nowhere...
"90 days ago"... to being in the lead... 14 days from the Primary.
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1687
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 9:37 pm: |
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Straw... was Lamont in the race .... about 90 days ago?
Even assuming you are right... Lamont has come from nowhere...
"90 days ago"... to being in the lead... 14 days from the Primary.
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notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3626
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:16 pm: |
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We know that there is nothing Blackwell and Co. won't try, but hopefully the amount of scrutiny they'll be getting will prevent them from trying anything too blatant. I think the people of Ohio are furious about how the presidential election was conducted in their state. Certainly, the people I know from there are going to be eager to report the faintest whiff of impropriety in November.
Dems are looking good! And if the cash in the coffers is any indication, it will stay that way. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1690
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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Note- did ya hear the CA-50 "the Randy Duke seat", the results hav e been contested. TO the best of my knowledge, the race has not been certified... but Bilbray has been sworn in. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3641
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 3:59 pm: |
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So if Bilbray has been sworn in, then is it considered final or not? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 8:02 pm: |
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Your asking Foj for a factual answer. How soon you forget the recent past - Breaking News..... |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5361
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 8:13 pm: |
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It's a good question ... does anyone know the rules for this kind of situation? |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3643
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 8:39 pm: |
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Yeah, and come to think of it, Southerner, I don't see YOU getting asked for factual answers much. Do you ever wonder why that is? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1372
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:19 pm: |
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Yes. Because facts in politics are freaking worthless. There are no facts, only opinion! This is seen with many of your hilarios posts claiming the Repubs aren't in the majority. The facts show we hold the White House, the House of Reps, and the Senate, yet you and other libs distort them to fit your own beliefs. I've given up on facts in politics long ago. Besides, I don't come to MOL for facts. I come for opinion. |
Spinal Tap
Citizen
Username: Spinaltap11
Post Number: 101
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:41 pm: |
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This deals with exit polling but you get the picture:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6408569/site/newsweek
Larry Sabato's site is always excellent:
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/
I'm wondering exactly to what level of total hysteria the Democratic Party will decend to if they only break even or if the Republicans actually pick up a seat or two.
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anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2893
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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Besides, I don't come to MOL for facts. I come for opinion.
Well, my friend, you will never be disappointed!  |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5364
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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Actually, my objection is primarily when you call the democrats a "fringe" minority. The White Power party is a fringe minority, not the Dems. There are more democratic voters than republican voters, and nearly as many democratic representatives as republicans. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1692
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 2:05 am: |
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I would guess since the Election contest was filed on time.... its not final. If Bilbray was sworn in thru a loop hole, or against statute, there is no way its final. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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anon,
And I never am, which is why I enjoy logging on. Even when others disagree with me, I enjoy it. I come here for a good comedic break from the real world.
Spinal,
If the Dems simply break even, they will announce victory and be celebrating in the streets. If the Repubs pick up seats, they will be screaming fraud which will make for an enjoyable winter. |
anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2900
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
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I come here for a good comedic break from the real world.
Southerner, That's why I like you despite our political differences. You don't take yourself too seriously.
Now as to what you told Spinal, If the Dems break even, both the Dems and GOPers should announce victory and celebrate. That's called "spin". In fact unless one side wins overwhelmingly, like by picking up 50 seats in the House or a dozen in the Senate, each side should claim victory. But I know that you know that. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1380
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 8:22 pm: |
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anon,
I've posted about 50 posts on my particular definition of victory and it is this - whoever is in majority and has the Chairmanships of the committees. Period.
If my side loses seats yet maintains control, even if by one seat, then I'll let out a big sigh and be a happy camper for the next 18 months. If we lose control by one seat or 50 seats it will be a defeat and I will congratulate the libs. What I will enjoy the most however, is if the Dems pick up some seats but not control, and the usual lib posters declare victory and dance in the street. That would be a best case scenario for me. It would make the next 2 years loads of fun on MOL.
As for the spin issue, the libs have become great at this since 1994, because that is all they got. Without the power of running any committee, they can't do squat. They couldn't get the oil execs sworn in (a great political moment thanks to Stevens), and they couldn't even get the minimum wage increased. That is why the only thing that matters is committee control, but I know you know that as well.
As for taking myself serious, this isn't the real world and I'm not a politician. I do enjoy reading those posts by others who take themselves way to serious on an anonymous internet board. Remember that heartfelt letter a few months about "Dear Republicans". That poor poster either needs to run for office or see a shrink because MOL ain't the place for therapy. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1696
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:10 pm: |
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Thanks for the kick |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5367
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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Not getting the oil execs sworn in was great, it's true. Why should our senators be burdened with hearing the actual truth from these guys, when lies make them, and I suppose you, happier? Maybe no one should be sworn in, ever.
If lies are as good as truth, then you're in the right party. |
anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2901
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 10:49 pm: |
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Southerner:
As you know I hope the Dems pick up seats but not enough to be in control. That way they can't be blamed for anything that goes wrong over the next two years but probably can stop the GOP from doing just anything it wants. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1381
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 9:38 am: |
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anon,
It's smart libs like you that scare me. You and I are seeing the same big picture. My biggest fear is my side maintains control, the economy tanks, and then in 2008 the Dems win Congress and the White House. That is why I won't be crying or whining much if the Dems take back either the House or Senate or even both. That would give us something to campaign against in 2008. Your assessment is right on except you guys don't need to pick up any seats to continue to obstruct. As long as the numbers are this close nothing can really get done, which I love. Therefore, whether the Repubs control by a few seats or the Dems control by a few seats, I'll be relatively happy because I don't want DC doing anything. At least with the Repubs in charge of the committees we can keep the liberal BS from getting out of the committees. If the Dems take back power, then we will just have to obstruct the old fashioned way and of course the veto will be back in vogue. That is why 2008 is as big as 2000 was. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5370
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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If you really want to tie things up, you should be rooting for the Dems to take one chamber. Then we can run scads of investigations, with subpoena power, into all kinds of things. Presto -- gridlock! |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1384
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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I've thought of that and that is what would happen, and again, I wouldn't whine or be all that upset. That scenario is a two edged sword for both sides. My fear is maybe the Dems would get lucky and find something, unlike in all the previous so called "scandals". The upside is the Dems would be seen for what they really are, regards of what they say, which would be great for my boys in 2008.
Either way, we have had gridlock for about two decades now since the Dems decided they didn't want to work with Reagan. And the Repubs, even with a Repub POTUS, haven't been able to clear the obstructionist Dem hurdle, which is fine by me. I have no problem seeing government programs whither on the vine. Let the educational system continue to decline, this will only help foster a new direction. The same with social security and all the other bleeding heart programs. Gridlock is good because when the system implodes it will be forced to change. |
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