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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3631
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:53 am: | 
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Losing a child is certainly one of the most horrible things a person can experience, so I try to give Cindy Sheehan a lot of leeway. But she's not a great representative for "my" side, she's said some really odd things, and it's hard to see how buying land near Bush's ranch and using it as a base to stage more peace rallies is going to be effective. I really hope she doesn't get much press when there are critical elections coming up that deserve a lot more attention.
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'Peace mom' becomes Bush's neighbor
Cindy Sheehan uses insurance money from son's death
Thursday, July 27, 2006; Posted: 9:35 p.m. EDT (01:35 GMT)
CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- War protesters will have a new and bigger gathering place when they return in August to President Bush's adopted hometown: a 5-acre lot bought with insurance money Cindy Sheehan received after her son was killed in Iraq.
Gerry Fonseca, a fellow war protester who acted as Sheehan's agent, said he recently bought the vacant lot about a mile from downtown Crawford -- and about 7 miles from Bush's ranch -- for $52,500. About half the land is pasture, and the other half is woods, he said.
"If Cindy Sheehan came to town, I don't think anybody would have sold her any property," Fonseca, of Eagle Rock, Missouri, said Thursday.
Sheehan, of Berkeley, California, reinvigorated the anti-war movement last summer with her peace vigil, which started in ditches off the road to Bush's ranch. As it grew, the group also set up its protests on a private, 1-acre lot closer to the ranch.
Sheehan said in an e-mail Thursday that the group wanted more space.
"We decided to buy property in Crawford to use until George's resignation or impeachment, which we all hope is soon for the sake of the world," Sheehan, whose oldest son Casey was killed in Iraq in 2004, said in a newsletter set to be sent to supporters Thursday. "I can't think of a better way to use Casey's insurance money than for peace, and I am sure that Casey approves."
The anti-war gathering in Crawford was scheduled August 16 through early September, but it will begin several days earlier because Bush is expected to be at his ranch the first two weeks of August. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7599
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:58 am: |
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She's a moron. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4571
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:59 am: |
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Maybe they can clear brush together. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3655
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
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Maybe it's something about Crawford. Why does the town seem to attract morons? First GWB, now Sheehan. Next thing you know, Michael Moore and Ann Coulter will move there, too. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7602
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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Bush went to Yale and Harvard Business school. Can't call people with that type of education a moron.. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3633
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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Gold star for Rastro.  |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3634
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
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Heck, Straw, TONS of people you regularly refer to as "morons" have gone to those schools, and did quite a lot better than Dubya did! Try thinking maybe one or two minutes ahead of your frenzied little fingers. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1811
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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He only got into those schools because of DADDY Bush!
Folks with a lot of money & say can buy any moron an education or a free ride to a University/College of choice! |
The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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If Bush went to Yale and Harvard Business School, why does he consistently portray a moron in public? Wouldn't someone with such a high degree of education have more poise, better command of the English language and more control over the ridiculous looks that take over his face? The guy is so out of touch with reality. |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2171
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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Many morons as well as geniuses have Yale BAs and Harvard MBAs after their names.
Since you're pretty loose with the epithet, then other people can apply it where they think it fits.
However, I don't think GWB is a moron. I think he's a shoddy performer. HBS has graduated a number of them as well.
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Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7604
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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He got into those school's because of his Daddy?
And his Daddy was what back in the 60's? Sorry Charlie, George Bush Sr. did not have the clout to pull that off..
Some of you libs are so stupid.. |
Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1691
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:08 am: |
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What Position did Prescott hold at that college? |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3656
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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He was a legacy at Yale. And he came from a very rich family. That alone was enough for him to get into Yale. As far as Harvard, I cannot fathom why he was accepted there, given his grades and his achievements (or lack thereof) prior to his attendance. It could not possibly have been pull from family connections, right? I mean, he is related to more Bushes than GHWB, right? What was his grandfather, Prescott, doing around that time? Hmm... Among other things, he had been a Senator (could that give him some pull for his grandson?)
To even remotely imply that Bush got into Yale and Harvard on his own merits, and that because of his attendance there he is somehow not a moron, is such a stupid line of thinking that it defies the imagination that someone could try to defend it.
There's a reason fruit is at the bottom of the food chain. |
The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 66
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:13 am: |
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Straw, I believe Phenixrising is referring to the Bush family when he says DADDY (insert FAMILY) Bush.
You still haven't addressed my post. I'll repeat it for you:
If Bush went to Yale and Harvard Business School, why does he consistently portray a moron in public? Wouldn't someone with such a high degree of education have more poise, better command of the English language and more control over the ridiculous looks that take over his face? The guy is so out of touch with reality.
I'm sure you don't think my post is worth commenting on. Pretend the entire civilized world asked the questions. Give it a shot. This will be fun. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7605
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:33 am: |
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Libs think Harvard and Yale accept anyone who comes from money....
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tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5343
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:48 am: |
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You think legacy admissions don't exist? That if you donate lots of money to your alma mater it doesn't give your progeny special consideration for admission? How about if your grandfather was a US Senator, and your father a prominent oil man and political candidate - does that get a wee bit more attention from the admissions committee than perhaps if your father ran a gas station?
The WSJ states that, "Harvard accepts 40% of applicants who are children of alumni but only 11% of applicants generally. "
Oh the naivete. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1812
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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Straw, I believe Phenixrising is referring to the Bush family when he says DADDY (insert FAMILY) Bush.
I think the fruit's lack of reading comprehension is suffering.
Libs think Harvard and Yale accept anyone who comes from money
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 — October 8, 1972) was a United States Senator from Connecticut and a Wall Street executive banker with Brown Brothers Harriman.
Enrolled at Yale University, starting a family tradition of higher education, as his son, former president George H.W. Bush, and his grandson, current President George W. Bush, as well as his great-granddaughter Barbara are all Yale alumni. From 1944 to 1956, Bush was a member of the Yale Corporation, the principal governing body of Yale University. (hmmm…)
He maintained homes in Long Island, New York and Greenwich, Connecticut; the family compound at Kennebunkport, Maine; a 10,000 acre (40 kmÇ) plantation in South Carolina; and an island retreat in Florida.
Well connected and financially $loaded$!
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The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:55 am: |
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I didn't think you (Straw) would be able to address my post. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3657
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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One more time, LEGACY. He was from a family of Yale grads. That, and his money was absolutely enough to get into Yale, particularly in the 60s. Do you really think he got in on his grades? It appears to be YOU who does not understand that it is more than grades (which he did not have) that get one into college.
And what accomplishments can you point to before he went to Harvard that were significant enough to get him in? He obviously did not get in on his college grades or his experience. Can you explain it?
You can't expect rational thought from fruit. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5345
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 12:12 pm: |
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In Conservative Reality, you have to pretend that legacies don't exist; they'd weaken the fight against race-based affirmative action. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1813
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 12:14 pm: |
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The3ofUs,
Don't hold your breath. This out-of-season fruit and out-of-touch in reality doesn't have an answer.
Ya know… when the strawberry is out of season, the taste is kinda sour & bitter .
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The3ofUs
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Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 72
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 12:29 pm: |
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I find it HILARIOUS that wingnuts (especially Straw) can't defend this human behaviour problem in Bush. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7606
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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Tom is probably right. It explains how he got into college. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3638
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 2:02 pm: |
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I love the smell of burnt Strawberries in the afternoon... |
Cougar86
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Username: Cougar86
Post Number: 27
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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Isn't anyone with a southern accent stupid? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5349
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 2:49 pm: |
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Straw can't defend him, and he can't debate honestly here. More transparent fakery in his 1:01 post; no one said it's how he got into college, duh. We're saying it's how he got into that college, as opposed to UConn or somewhere.
It's the same vein of B.S. that Republicans mine when they say that me and Dennis Koslowsky got an average tax cut of $200,000.
Again, if you can't argue honestly, you've already lost. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1364
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:31 pm: |
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This is politics. Honest arguing went out the door a few thousand years ago. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5357
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:32 pm: |
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Maybe so, but calling people on it didn't. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1370
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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Nice comeback tom. Now which one are we, the pot or the kettle? |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2896
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:03 pm: |
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Bush went to Yale and Harvard Business school. Can't call people with that type of education a moron..
But you do it all the time! |
kathleen
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Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 606
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 11:45 pm: |
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I don't know what Cindy Sheehan said that bothers notehead other than allegations that the Bush Administration invaded Iraq to protect Israel and lied about it (which I gather she vociferously denies are her views), but I don't see any downside for me of Cindy Sheehan buying property in Crawford to carry on with anti-war protests.
Crawford town officials had recently passed laws making it impossible for political protesters to assemble in Crawford on public property. The purpose of such laws is to silence all protest in Crawford against the President and the war. I would have preferred a court case, but I've got no problem whatsoever with anti-war protesters, other parents who've lost children in Iraq and Cindy Sheehan having a place to assemble in Crawford to protest. If you want to worry about somebody being unhelpful in the upcoming elections, notehead, worry about Democrats who one more time don't want to address the anger of the anti-war movement or amplify its voice. It was a losing strategy last time, and it will lose again. It gives voters the impression Democrats won't stand up for anything or anybody.
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Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7622
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:40 am: |
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Kathleen,
Allow me to explain. Vic Deluca and David H go out of there way to avoid any connection to you. They realize people like you kill campaigns because people with your radical left views turn off voters. Notehead feels Cindy Sheehan is in essence the "kathleen" of the national stage.
Hope that helps.
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3644
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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Crawford town officials had recently passed laws making it impossible for political protesters to assemble in Crawford on public property.
Kathleen, I was not aware of that. Her decision to buy land there is more understandable, then.
I thought it was bad form when Sheehan complained that media attention was moving away from her because of Katrina. And although she does deny the language attributed to her regarding Iraq being an exercise to help Israel, it's far from clear that she didn't say that in the email she sent to James Morris and others.
Straw, the day I need you to speak for me is the day you become a brilliant orator and writer, proudly representing progressive liberals. In other words, not even in your dreams. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1386
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 1:37 pm: |
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Maybe DeLay can get his boys to use a little eminent domain down there. If not, then she has a nice place to relax. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7623
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 3:04 pm: |
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Notehead,
Sure you do. You need all the help you can get. |
kathleen
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Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 609
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 3:44 pm: |
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Notehead,
I googled up the relevant stories and I agree that Sheehan was quoted accurately from her e-mail, although attempts to spin those words into an anti-Semitic mindset isn't very persuasive. I don't know if you saw Frank Rich's column yesterday, but one of the things he wrote in the course of listing bogus rationales given for the invasion of Iraq was: "We were told it would benefit Israel." He didn't say Cindy Sheehan or leftwing bloggers told us that. He said many Iraq invasion SUPPORTERS offered it as among THEIR reasons for pushing for war. And he is remembering correctly.
Although I share your disappointment in what the media (and even Cindy Sheehan) judges to be newsworthy, I'm not really worried that she is going to do harm to the effort to unseat the Republican morons in Washington. (I'm more worried Democrats aren't saying anything newsworthy.) If Cindy Sheehan shows up on television, broiling in the Texas sun, I don't think many people will forget the grief that drives her. And if they want to pick apart a mother who lost her son in the Iraq war, I don't think they're picking up many swing votes with that one.
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3649
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 4:17 pm: |
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It depends on what she says and how she says it -- which is not to assert that this is how it ought to be. I think you might be giving the public more credit than I am at the moment. I'll be glad if I'm proven wrong about this. |
kathleen
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Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 614
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |
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My faith in the public is unbending. My faith in the media is gone.
Agreed, she can say stupid things. But she if started talking now and didn't stop untill doomsday, she'd never catch up with Bush, Rumsfeld and Bill Frist. So I'm not going to duck the fight. |
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