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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 5351
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 4:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Q: Mr. President, both of you, I'd like to ask you about the big picture that you're discussing.

Mr. President, three years ago, you argued that an invasion of Iraq would create a new stage of Arab-Israeli peace. And yet today there is an Iraqi prime minister who has been sharply critical of Israel.

Arab governments, despite your arguments, who first criticized Hezbollah, have now changed their tune. Now they're sharply critical of Israel.

And despite from both of you warnings to Syria and Iran to back off support from Hezbollah, effectively, Mr. President, your words are being ignored.

So what has happened to America's clout in this region that you've committed yourself to transform?

Bush: David, it's an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.

For a while, American foreign policy was just, Let's hope everything is calm - kind of, managed calm. But beneath the surface brewed a lot of resentment and anger that was manifested on September the 11th.

And so we have, we've taken a foreign policy that says: On the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short run by being aggressive in chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice.

And make no mistake: They're still out there, and they would like to harm our respective peoples because of what we stand for.

In the long term, to defeat this ideology - and they're bound by an ideology - you defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.

And, look, I fully understand some people don't believe it's possible for freedom and democracy to overcome this ideology of hatred. I understand that. I just happen to believe it is possible.

And I believe it will happen.

And so what you're seeing is, you know, a clash of governing styles.

For example, you know, the notion of democracy beginning to emerge scares the ideologues, the totalitarians, those who want to impose their vision. It just frightens them.

And so they respond. They've always been violent.

You know, I hear this amazing kind of editorial thought that says, all of a sudden, Hezbollah's become violent because we're promoting democracy. They have been violent for a long period of time. Or Hamas?

One reason why the Palestinians still suffer is because there are militants who refuse to accept a Palestinian state based upon democratic principles.

And so what the world is seeing is a desire by this country and our allies to defeat the ideology of hate with an ideology that has worked and that brings hope.

And one of the challenges, of course, is to convince people that Muslims would like to be free, you know, that there's other people other than people in Britain and America that would like to be free in the world.

There's this kind of almost – you know, kind of a weird kind of elitism that says well maybe - maybe certain people in certain parts of the world shouldn't be free; maybe it's best just to let them sit in these tyrannical societies.

And our foreign policy rejects that concept. We don't accept it. And so we're working.



Just as a reality check, is there anything in his non-response that he couldn't have said four years ago?

He's a national embarrassment.
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Strawberry
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Post Number: 7612
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 5:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Funny how the anti-Israel radical left is all of a sudden pandering to the Jewish vote.

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tom
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Post Number: 5353
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 5:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Huh?
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themp
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Post Number: 3113
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 5:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

See, if you don't agree with the prez, you are not only a leftist, but a radical one, and on top of that, you are an ant-semite. This is the quality of political discourse under the banner of the GOP. This is the limit of their minds and their spirits.
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tom
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Post Number: 5354
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 5:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's gotten to be so far removed from rational thinking that I can't figure out who he's accusing of being anti-Israel and why, let alone what is considered pandering.
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themp
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Post Number: 3116
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 5:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

they substitute mutual approval for all categories of thought. It's like a hermetically sealed snow globe of pamphlets, smears, and dumb ideas, filtering gently down onto an idiot village whenever someone gives their world a good shake.
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tom
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Post Number: 5355
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

beautiful metaphor, thanks!
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Southerner
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Post Number: 1362
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love this. And I'll love November when the wet dream comes to an end for you libs. At least now you have a place to stay in Crawford this December.
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tom
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Post Number: 5356
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It doesn't matter if you hold power or not, they're still idiots. Nero held power longer than Bush could ever hope to, but history will forever mark him as a fool. As Lincoln said, "Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance or insignificance can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation."

Yes, Bush's words too will live on, in print, audio and video, for generations in the future to marvel at. And while they do, they will also marvel at us for allowing so stupid a man to occupy the Presidency.

Like I said, an embarrassment.
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Eric Wertheim
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Username: Bub

Post Number: 225
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 6:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Southerner:

your wet dreams seem to involve the word "lib" - you can't seem to post a message without using it.
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 5362
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 8:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YouTube has gotten hold of this clip in its entirety. TPM comments, "...if you watch this passage I think you see something different. Namely, that pretty much everything that's happened over the last three years, and certainly over the last three months has just gone in one presidential ear and out the other. He is, in both the deepest and most superficial sense, out of it."
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Southerner
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Post Number: 1373
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love that Eric.
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Eric Wertheim
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Username: Bub

Post Number: 226
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So:

glad you have a sense of humor.
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Mr. Big Poppa
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Username: Big_poppa

Post Number: 813
Registered: 7-2004


Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 9:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Southerner's wet dream........




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