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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3670
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 12:58 pm: | 
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This just arrived from Congressman Pascrell's office:
As we all look for ways to beat the heat, I would like to invite you to a forum that I will be participating in this evening.
WHAT: Is Iraq the New Vietnam ? Iraq War Forum, Strategies For Ending the War
WHO: Professor Lloyd C. Gardner - Professor of History at Rutgers University and one of America 's leading experts on 20 th century foreign policy
Ken Dalton - A Vietnam War Veteran and President of NJ Veterans for Peace
Congressman Bill Pascrell Jr.
WHEN: Thursday, August 3 at 7pm
WHERE: UFCW Hall Auditorium, 1389 Broad St. , Clifton , NJ
RSVP: www.dfalink.com/cliftonforum
Admission is free and open to the public. I hope you will consider joining us tonight. Also, please keep an eye out for a schedule of my August town hall meetings coming soon to my website, www.pascrell.house.gov.
Sincerely,
Bill Pascrell Jr.
Member of Congress |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7646
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 2:16 pm: |
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moronic.. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1297
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
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Lemmings congregate? Call the Animal Planet Channel ! |
joel dranove
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Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 827
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 9:24 pm: |
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Never heard of Gardner.
Is he the third or fourth leading expert, or some other ranked expert?
jd |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2914
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 9:42 pm: |
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Why would anyone have a problem with a Congressman holding a public discussion of the War in Iraq, or for that matter any public issue? |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1302
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
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anon-
Is it political or academic? Seems it's geared to a particular clientele with a particular view, that just might happen to reflect the representative's own partisan views?
Give me an objective forum, please. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2299
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 9:58 pm: |
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latest Gallup poll says 55% of Americans want troops out of Iraq in 12 months. this POV is mainstream. you "stay the course" guys are now the fringe. |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2195
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 10:02 pm: |
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Well, anon, never underestimate the reaction of the neo-con breastbeaters and flagellators. They would be so exercised by the thought of any such meeting that algolagnia would set in.
Gardner is probably the ninth second-leading expert, in the same way that our campaign in Iraq keeps killing the number two or number three Al Qaeda guy about once every other month. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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Eff - you dont want a discussion that is objective, you want a discussion geared to your point of view. If you dont agree it automatically makes it a biased panel.
What you fail to realize is that you are not only firmly in the minority but also morally bankrupt. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5693
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 10:26 pm: |
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Dudes, don't you remember?
"Ignorance Is Strength."
Some people would rather not know, or even have anybody discuss the war.
By the way, it was one year ago today that Columbia High School graduate Lance Cpl. Edward A. (Augie) Schroeder was killed in Iraq.
As stated in the official Department of Defense news release, he and his five comrades were killed "when their Amphibious Assault Vehicle was hit by an improvised explosive device during combat operations south of Haditha, Iraq".
The Pentagon sent those Marines to fight in the desert, in a lightly-armored amphibious assault vehicle.
I can't imagine why anyone would make fun of people's efforts to learn more about the war, and how it is being conducted. |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2198
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 9:41 am: |
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By the way, nice pussy-footing yesterday by Rumsfeld, Abizaid, and Pace in front of senators.
Marines are usually real competent, get-the-job-done people. I would say that Pace's competence is being negatively affected by his continued proximity to Rumsfeld and the administration. He can't even give a straight answer, nor can Abizaid, and that's not what the military is about.
Talk about politicizing the leaders of our armed forces. They're starting to look and act like the "banana republic" generals of several decades ago, with all the fruit salad and scrambled eggs they wear for effect. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7647
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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"Pace's competence is being negatively affected by his continued proximity to Rumsfeld and the administration."
holy stupidity..Should Pace lead a military revolt instead?
No need to answer. I think we've heard enough foolishness out of you.
libs. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3672
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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Pace has worked long and hard at a brilliant military career only to become Rummy's spokesflack whenever beckoned. It's a real shame. He's from Teaneck, by the way. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7649
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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Wow, Teaneck? No ••••... |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2199
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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Thanks for your opinion, straw. Of course, you would choose the absurd, illogical leap ("Should Pace lead a military revolt instead? ")
We know Pace can't do a thing in public but kowtow to the secretary of defense.
It's a waste of talent to see good soldiers at the apex of their careers be held to the same level of underperformance, circumlocution, and incompetence as the secretary of defense and the president that they work for.
Even a monotonous grab-bag of cliches like you should feel bad about that, Straw.
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Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1307
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 6:57 pm: |
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No sense of history here about millitary conflicts. If there was, the conclusion would be this is all political. That's okay, just don't dress it up into something its not.
Surveys depend on the questions and how they are asked. Know people who make a living from them. Could they be skewered by language, dependent on who needs a supported position? Of course.
The fact the longterm national security interests of the country are being damaged matters not. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2302
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
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sorry, but the "stay the course" crowd has zero credibility at this point. they have been wrong about everything, every step of the way. wrong about the WMD and the mushroom clouds, wrong that Iraq was working with al Qaeda, wrong about whether the weapons inspections were working, wrong about the bouquets that would be thrown at our military, wrong that the elections were a turning point, wrong that the turnover of "sovereignty" was a turning point, wrong about everything. all of it.
so now we're supposed to believe that you guys are right about staying the course? |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1792
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 7:27 pm: |
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Quote:it'll all be over in another 6 to 9 months
Quote:it might take 6 hours, it might take 6 days, I doubt it would take 6 months
Quote:mission accomplished
etc |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2206
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 7:27 pm: |
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Fiction:
"The longterm national security interests" of this country have been damaged since 43 chose to disregard both the terrorist information warnings of the previous administration and the constant terrorist chatter that was reported to the administration in the summer of 2001 when 43 was getting his Tony Lama boots fitted in Crawford.
43 had an opportunity to do something good and big. He made a start and then blew it. And has blown it since. And his administration has turned potentially great generals into Powerpoint-wielding lapdogs.
He and his administration are abject failures. We all pay the price, except for starry-eyed sycophants and 43-worshippers. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7651
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 9:20 pm: |
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Has Innisowen ever said anything that even attempts to offer a solution?
Instead it's always BUSH SUCKS/I HATE HIM nonsense. No attempt to even suggest what he'd do differently if President..
A total pointless bore..
Blah blah blah..Bush..blah blah blah..
dumb...
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2208
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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Strawberry :
Thank you for proving my point about your monotonous grab bag of cliches.
Never said I hate Bush. Can you point out where I did?
Never said Bush sucks. Can you point out where I did?
I have said that his performance is incompetent and sub-standard. I have said that if he were the CEO of a public company, his performance would get him and his team fired. I have said that four years into WWII, we defeated three belligerent enemies, on four continents, in mountains, jungles, deserts, forests, on the sea and in the air, and that more than four years after 9/11, your cowboy hero, 43, has done bupkis. All he has are sycophants like you who reject reality in favor of the show he puts on, but that's your problem.
I'm not president, so I don't need to offer up what I would do differently. We elect presidents in this country not for them to f--k things up, but to improve situations and develop programs and strategies that have value. He is an abject failure in that regard.
I have said that I believe that too much Florida sun addles the brain. And I believe that is one of your key problems. It's probably a contributing factor for why each of your posts is value-less and content-free.
You are one of the starry-eyed sycophants and 43-worshippers, but your knee-jerk monotonous rants seem to be more the evidence of damage caused by mother's milk with a heavy lead content than of a real in-depth political point of view. You should get that checked out by a competent medical person. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7652
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 9:01 am: |
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Again, a bunch of pointless nonsense..
Maybe someday you'll offer up some interesting information. Telling us that Bush is a cowboy who isn't a good President hardly qualifies. Telling us the war on terror isn't going well because it's lasted longer than WWII makes absolutely no sense. It's a moronic comparison used by half wits. Certainly, I would imagine even you can do better than that..
Maybe someday you'll add something other than insults to this message board. So far, you have yet to do so.
You've been a huge disappointment.
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mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 367
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 10:40 am: |
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Amendment I to the Constitution of the United States of America (1791):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishiment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2211
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 10:49 am: |
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Strawberry:
Interesting response from the poster who uses the word "moron" more than any other "writer" I've seen.
Interesting also in that you avoid the substance without fail. Sycophants like you always seem to overlook the obvious in defending the indefensible, such as this president and his administration who:
-have failed to secure our borders from illegal immigration and illegal entry by people who would do us harm;
-failed the Gulf Coast miserably during Katrina, the first major emergency in the US since 9/11;
-failed to provide security and protection for our ports, critical energy facilities, chemical plants;
-failed to secure Afghanistan, which is being overrun by Taliban forces once again, and which was the major focus of the original post 9/11 military actions (in other words, failed to get the job done the first time);
-failed to prevent the dismantling of useful infrastructures in Iraq, so that the country fell into the anarchy we are seeing today;
-failed to implement any kind of useful infrastructure to get electricity or water supplied on a dependable basis to Iraqi citizens;
-failed to scrutinize the non-compete contracts handed out to "favored companies" who then bilked the US govt on what they supplied to US forces in Iraq;
-failed with a Republican majority in House and Senate to make any substantive changes to Social Security;
-failed to put a halt on nuclear proliferation because:
-he failed to insist on securing Russian nuclear weapons (identified by most experts as the most probable source of nuclear weapons for terrorists);
-failed to recognize and anticipate the North Korean nuclear threat;
-failed to recognize and anticipate the potential nuclear threat of Iran;
-failed to establish thus far an energy strategy that will remedy this country's "addiction to oil" (Bush's own words);
-failed as the chief steward of US finances-- whopping deficit (which would be larger without the camouflage of the Social Security fund), whopping trade deficit (close to $1 trillion);
-failed to equip our Iraq troops adequately;
-failed in the Iraq campaign so that troops ending their 12 month TOD are extended by 4-5 months.
Straw, with you, the truth doesn't work, because you are such a misty-eyed Bush groupie that denying reality is your only option.
The "cowboy stuff" that you take exception to is part of the failed Bush package: it's the empty bravado ("we'll run 'em down and smoke 'em out") and the poseur attitudes (cutting brush like a cowboy to give the false impression that he is just a regular guy).
You're such a blind 43 worshipper that you can't see his failures to get the job done.
And you get your shorts twisted when someone has the nerve to tell you so in a public forum.
You're in denial, and the worse 43's performance and results become, the more in denial you are. And the more outrageous your responses. Get a grip, man.
It's you that are the huge disappointment because reality and reason don't get through to you.
Well, I've given you more attention than you DESERVE but probably not as much as you CRAVE.
However, I have a weekend to enjoy, and I'm going to do that.
Keep on enjoying whatever fantasy kingdom you're inhabiting. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7653
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 11:47 am: |
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You need to source your material since you've already been caught plagiarizing. here on MOL more than once.
Those bullet points are obviously nothing more than a copy and paste. Also, for the record you were asked to state what you would have done differently. Instead, you simply chose to once again steal the complaints of others while offering no alternative.
You've become laughable.
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2213
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Strawberry-head:
If you want the source, groupie, go get it. It's publicly available information
You mean you would deny all the points I've listed?
The bullet points are not cut and paste. And again, they are publicly available information.
For the record, I said, I am not running for president so I do not need to come up with solutions to please a deluded groupie like you when the guy in office and his team cannot provide any.
Your ridiculous bent for denying reality just keeps becoming more visible to everybody.
I would laugh at you, starry-eyed sycophant that you are, but the extent of your delusions and your desperation to block out reality are becoming more the object of pity.
If your post above is really how you think, then you are in need of immediate help and counseling because your problems go beyond politics and this board.
You are now officially an object of my pity. You're too far gone to be scorned. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7654
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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boring |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2214
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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Straw:
I won't answer you. You're pitiful.
If I snswered, you might lose it and have to be medicated. Get help, son, while there's still time. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1317
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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Innisowen
Strawberry
Jeez, you two sound like an old married couple arguing.
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anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2927
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 6:30 pm: |
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Fvf: Since they are both anonymous (as are you and I) how do we know they are not? |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1319
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
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anon-
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2216
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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Now, now, fiction and anon:
Stay out of where you're not wanted.
In my marriages I have always been with someone smarter than Strawberry appears to be.
I don't know if Strawberry is a male or female, but I do know that Straw's whiny approach reminds of a spoiled Smith College sorority girl I dated for a while.
She was close-minded too.
But for a while she had other redeeming attributes. |
llama
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Username: Llama
Post Number: 815
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 9:02 am: |
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I hate when really boring people say something that is boring. It means I need to get away. |
J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn
Post Number: 2661
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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"But for a while she had other redeeming attributes."
Can't help wondering if this might be a roundabout intimation that Strawberry is also, in some way, endowed with, ah... something. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7655
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Innisowen writes:
"Straw:
I won't answer you. You're pitiful.
If I snswered, you might lose it and have to be medicated. Get help, son, while there's still time."
First off by writing the above post you did answer me..
Secondly, it's "answered", not "saswered."
Funny how your spelling falls apart when you're not doing a copy & paste.
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2220
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 5:18 pm: |
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Strawberry;
Thank you, girl.
I obviously overlooked that keying error.
However, you are still pitiful, value-less, and totally content-free in your postings.
I'll leave it at that, until your next posting, which will increase your record for absence of content or value.
You remind me of a tale about Winston Churchill. I'll key it slowly so that you'll have a better chance of understanding.
Churchill was at a soiree in a manor house outside London, just after WWII. He imbibed quite a bit and was teetering from tipsy to drunk when a lady came over to him and upbraided him for drinking too much.
"Sir Winston," said she, "you're quite drunk."
To which Churchill quickly replied, "And you, madame, are quite ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober."
Tomorrow I will key again and probably not miss a stroke. But you, Strawberry, will still be pitiful and fail to provide content or value.
Good night. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2221
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 5:38 pm: |
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And it also reminds me of a story about Benjamin Disraeli, straw.
In a heated debate in Parliament, an opponent is supposed to have screamed at Disraeli:
"You, sir, will die by hanging or by venereal disease."
To which Disraeli is believed to have replied, "That, sir, would depend on whether I embraced your principles or your mistress."
I guess that I would say the same thing about you, except that I have not seen any evidence of your principles and, since I don't know whether you're a he or a she, I don't know whether the mistress reference is applicable.
It doesn't really matter. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7656
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 6:48 pm: |
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interesting quotes, here's another.
"I'm rubber you're glue, everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you." |
S.L.K. 2.0
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1847
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 8:24 pm: |
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Two posts in a row for Inny....wow, straw is really getting to him...AND A MISSPELLING FOR INNY?????? oh my, the planets must have fell out of orbit....
straw, why bother don't you see that when it comes with innyboy, it is all about how smart he is compared to everyone, from the POTUS down the line.
Inny, considering your marriage track record, I wouldn't reference it too much.
Oh come on, welcome me back, you know you secretly want to....
-SLK
dave-please read innys posts again and notice the borderline,if not outright, personal attacks against straw. How come I have a feeling if the positions were reversed we wouldn't be hearing from straw for a while..
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2304
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 8:31 pm: |
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if I was the moderator, I'd ban people for being big babies who whinge about being suspended. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7657
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 8:33 pm: |
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I don't feel Innisowen needs a ban. He's completely harmless. |
S.L.K. 2.0
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1848
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 8:37 pm: |
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Dr.
I am not whining, just peeved a tad bit, thank you.
Stay tuned for a new thread on this matter.
BTW, what is "whinge" anyways, never heard of it.
-SLK |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2934
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 8:50 pm: |
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Are we having fun yet? |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1326
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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If I was a media type living in SOMA I would try and package Innisowen and Strawberry for one of those political point-counterpoint shows.
Innisowen's tag line could be " your arguments remind me of a Smith sorority girl!"
However I would have him stay away from discussing venereal disease.
Innis would you be willing to shave your head like James Carville?
As for Straw, I see a " you're nothing but intellectual cut and paste!" as a cutting retort.
I am thinking some crisp bowties here, Straw.
Say... do you guys have an agent? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2305
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 10:12 pm: |
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slk,
you are definitely whinging. don't know what it means? try http://www.dictionary.com |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2222
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 10:22 pm: |
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SLK 0.0:
Welcome back! I'm laying odds it'll be a short stay given your customary approach. Don't get too comfortable in your chair.
Straw:
Nice rhyme. That was something we guys used to hear from the girls in first grade.
Fiction:
In fact, the shave is already there, but I rarely wear ties anymore--- too "gotta be in the office today" style, and clients couldn't care less. Now for Straw, I'm getting the impression it must be a hair ribbon or a barrette. |
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