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John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 442
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 5:07 pm: | 
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I need some new conservative talking points since the old ones do not seem to be working anymore. I was having a debate with a liberal co-woker and I used a good one.
Me: "All liberals stand for is tax and spend."
I thought that would shut him up because it always did in the past. Instead he responded,
"All Conservativsm means is failure and f---up."
Southerner, give me something to say back to him. I tried Straw's "Boring" but he just laughed at me and walked away.
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2228
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 2:38 am: |
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Try "Liberals hate America," a big one on this board and on neo-con radio, and "Liberals want to see us fail."
Two guaranteed show-stoppers. They always work with both Christian reconstructionists (who go orgasmic) and in any meeting where there is more than 1/2 of a conservative in attendance. |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3554
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 8:42 am: |
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Driving home yesterday from dropping the kids off at camp, I was listening to a radical conservative talk radio show and heard what may be a new line you can take.
The host was railing (correctly) about the fact that Congress keeps spending and spending, piling pork on top of pork (he said nothing about simultaneously cutting taxes and not attending to trade deficits). He said that this is the danger of having both houses and the Presidency in the hands of one party--too much power concentrated in too few hands, he opined--and then he argued that we need gridlock to keep government spending in check! He said the Republicans were spending like drunken sailors and they were out of control, and the Dems would be no better if they ran everything, so the only solution is gridlock.
Great downside rationalization if the GOP loses the House or the Senate in the interim elections. |
mlj
Citizen
Username: Mlj
Post Number: 370
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 9:30 am: |
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tax and spend democrats
tax cut and spend republicans
oh, wait that won't help...how about liberals are unpatriotic? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2306
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 9:45 am: |
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CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!!
CUT AND RUN!!! |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7659
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 9:58 am: |
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Just ask them to name one Democrat who voted against the war who they might vote for in 08.
They won't have an answer.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5409
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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You're assuming the candidate would be a senator. How about a candidate that didn't vote for the war? Mark Warner. |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7660
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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good luck with Mark Warner. Al Gore and Howard Dean have better chances than him..
The dems will choose a candidate from Hillary, Kerry and Edwards...
There won't be any surprises. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1395
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 11:08 am: |
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ESL,
I totally agree with you. As you may have picked up on some of my other posts, I too, am a fan of federal government gridlock. I actually like the current situation where the Repubs control everything, but the Dems have the numbers to obstruct. In my perfect world this model would hold.
And I definitely agree with your point about rationalizing a loss. I have railed ad naseum about the libs on this board who have done this exact thing for 6 years. I refuse to live in fantasy world like so many others. I'll call a win a win and a loss a loss. Now with that said, not all wins are equal and not all losses are equal.
If the Repubs lose one or both chambers it will be a loss to us. No doubt about it and I will congratulate the winners. However, in my opinion, 2008 is the critical year so I could stomach a loss in 2006 if it gave us an opportunity to win in 2008.
I know there are Dems who agree with my line of political thinking. I'm sure there are some Dems who would prefer the Repubs to keep Congress and then in 2008 they could really campaign against the "status quo" and then not only take over Congress but also the White House in one fell swoop. I won't rationalize a loss this year by my side, but it would definitely release some of the pressure that has built up, and would give us neo-cons something to run against in 2008. And let's face it, even if the Dems take back both branches, nothing will get done in a year and a half. They won't have the numbers to push through legislation and override Bush's veto.
It's a game and is interesting to watch. At this point the Dems would take any victory and I don't blame them. In my view, the big prize is the White House where you have veto power, control of the military, and nomination of judges.
And of course you can take from my above that it is tough campaigning for us neo-cons this year. We don't have much to run against since we control everything. This is definitely a nice big juicy opportunity for the Dems. Of course so was 2004. I'm really interested to see if Dean and Company can finally get over the hump. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5410
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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You guys just love Hillary, don't you?
A more interesting project than finding a Dem who voted for the war might be finding a Dem who still supports it (other than Lieberman, who's history after tomorrow).
And an even more interesting one would be finding a Republican who opposes the war. Heck, a Republican who still doesn't slavishly follow every twist and turn of the Cheney party line would be a rarity.
Falure and F***up, and your boy Frist is all for it. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1396
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 2:11 pm: |
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tom,
You won't find either. That is why voting is the most important thing a thoughtful citizen can do. I have long ago given up on the "get out the vote" theme. I'd rather concentrate on getting those few citizens who do vote to vote for my beliefs.
This will be interesting election but I'm looking forward to 2008 even more. No incumbent President and a basic 50/50 split in Congress. That should be one heck of a fun and dirty campaign. Right down my alley. |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 451
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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Guys, what a discouraging day. I went up to Bob and just like Dr. Winston said to do, I told him, "Liberals stand for 'Cut and Run." And then I got to feel real good about it and just like Dr. W. said, I began jumping up and down and pointing at him and calling, 'cut and run, cut and run' until I was getting tired.
I knew I had him because I saw a puzzled look get on his face, kinda like he was thinking, 'W.T.F.?" When I finally stopped, Bob said, "That's the main idea of the conservative agenda -- "Cut and Run." He went on,
"Cut and run from veterans that you guys cut funding from.
Cut and run from senior citizens and their prescription costs.
Cut and run from really fixin' Social Security.
Cut and run from kids by not funding No Child Left Behind.
Cut and run from the middle class with the Paris Hilton tax break." (I didn't understand what he meant by that).
And he kept it up with a few more cut and run things.
Now I'm not good at remembering all the things Rush tells me every day so I couldn't think of anything to say back to him.
I did say "boring" again to him because I can remember that one but I need help from you guys with some more things to say back to him next time. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2309
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 4:39 pm: |
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tell him he's a girly man |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1340
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 7, 2006 - 4:41 pm: |
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Logrolling in our time, this is your dream thread. |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 484
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 7:02 am: |
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Tell him he's naive and that politics is a dirty game and its all about the elections. And then tell him the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over ..... |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 454
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 11:38 am: |
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Sometimes you can't win. I was awake all night waiting to tell Bob that he is a girly man and all liberals are girly men just like Dr. W told me to do. Then I come into work today and the foreman tells me that Bob took a vacation day to go to Connecticut to work for Ned Lamont.
Then I started thinkng. Ned rhymes with Ted. And both Lamont and Kennedy are kinda foppish. That's probably why Lamont wants to go to the Senate so they can both both engage in girly men socialist stuff in some broom closet in the basement of the Senate office building.
You think I'm kidding about this stuff? That's the only kind of guys the people in New England elect. Look at that guy, Barney. His mom started him off wrong in life by naming him after a dinosaur. The guy never had a chance. And Barney is purple and you know what that means or was that a Tellie Tubbie? I'm kinda confused about how that ended up.
Now in some of the Republican states, men know how to be men. Even in Tennessee last year where the ag. students were found having sex with a goat in their basement, at least that was a girl goat.
Anyway, I think I'm getting off the subject. I do that a lot. So if I do that , you guys can tell me, John, you're drifting off the subject.
Anyway, I'll handle Bob tomorrow and get to lord it over him when Lieberman beats Lamont's candy a.. Oh,well. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:22 pm: |
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And this smarmy, smug approach is why you always lose the Presidency.
But you can all drive your Volvos over to John's place, huddle together over the brie, and discuss your really, really big plans to hold a rally against President Jeb Bush's administration.
John, leave the comical stuff to the Colbert show. At least he gets paid for it. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2244
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 9:12 pm: |
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Caffrey should know that if he wants a source of fodder he can flip open an issue of Popular Mechanics.
On another thread, that bastion of literary style and political strategy is referenced as a source of conspiracy theories about 9/11.
The person who referenced it failed to explain three things:
1. why he feels the need to include Popular Mechanics in the pantheon of periodicals such as Foreign Affairs, The Economist, National Review;
2. what the relationship is between the conspiracy article in Popular Mechanics and the various articles on, for example, how to build the perfect cage for the yellow-bellied Texas sapsucker;
3. why he chose NOT to show a link to the Popular Mechanics scandal article that maintains that Bush 43 fathered a lamb out of wedlock, on a sheep farm somewhere within 50 miles of Crawford, TX.
Inquiring people want to know... |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5438
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 9:21 pm: |
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Maybe that's what shrub had in mind when he spoke of "bizarre human-animal hybrids". |
anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2936
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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I don't understand this thread. |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 460
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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Anon, I don't either, anymore. But that's O.K. |
argon_smythe
Citizen
Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 890
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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I completely agree with Southerner on the gridlock thing. Politicians are most effective when they can pose and posture and stump about things and put on a big blowhard show but it's best to keep their hands tied behind their backs lest they actually start legislating things. And that's true no matter what side of the aisle they sit on.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1431
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:00 am: |
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Argon,
Glad to see we agree. Even as a neo-con I enjoyed the Clinton years. He had the bully pulpit to push the liberal (not really with Bill) agenda in words only. The Republican Congress was strong enough to stop him at every turn, and he had the power of veto to stop them at every turn. It was a great 8 years of gridlock. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3180
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:24 pm: |
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Southerner loves everything. It all pleases him, like the peasants in a Bruegel painting, cavorting on a distant hillside.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1433
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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themp,
You're correct. Life in America is pretty good. I definitely don't go around brooding about my lot in life. I'll be old and dead one day so I'll have plenty of time to bi$ch and moan from my wheel chair or deathbed. As for now, I see American moving forward just fine, even if the Dems take control of Congress. It's hard for me to imagine so many of the usual lib posters wasting the past 6 years of their lives being so negative. Since I don't care about them personally it makes me laugh which is what makes this board so fun. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3182
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:38 pm: |
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God bless you. If only some of those sourpuss libs could turn their frowns upside down. I think your frequent reports on your sense of contentment are time well spent. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 2018
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:59 pm: |
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Writing the same damn thing everyday on a message board surely cannot constitute wasting the past two-plus years of your life, eh, Southerner. You are a real lover of life. A doer. Suck it all in. I'm sure the moonshine and pork rinds help with the lovefest, too. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1440
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 8:39 pm: |
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5465
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 8:46 pm: |
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So YOU'RE the one that's been sending these out!
How come you never return my messages? |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 463
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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I don't understand this thread. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 10468
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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This should explain it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5-4Kes8kws |
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