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Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7668
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 1:44 pm: | 
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http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5254778&nav=3YeX |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3681
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:16 pm: |
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Oh for cryin' out loud, there's no reason to believe Lamont's team had anything to do with this.
But this kind of thing is going to become a much bigger and more common problem down the road. People with the technical know-how and the willingness to use (or sell) it are going to attack the websites of candidates they oppose on a constant basis, whether the people they support want them to or not. Hackers are like neocons in the sense that they do more harm than good, they never plan beyond the major attack, they're only in it for their own egos & pocketbooks, and there's really not much that an individual person can do about them. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7669
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:19 pm: |
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"Oh for cryin' out loud, there's no reason to believe Lamont's team had anything to do with this."
very funny.. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1815
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:19 pm: |
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You think Ned Lamont is one of the criminal radical left?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Lamont
some tidbits -
Quote:Lamont earned a bachelor's degree from Harvard University (home of the Lamont Library, named for his great-grandfather Thomas W. Lamont [2] ) in 1976 and a Masters of Public and Private Management from what is now known as the Yale School of Management in 1980
Lamont is the great-grandson of former J.P. Morgan & Co. Chairman Thomas W. Lamont, and has a self-reported net worth valued between $90 million and $300 million.[7]
His father, Ted, was an economist who worked with the Marshall Plan which helped reconstruct Europe after World War II.[8] He later served in the Nixon administration in Housing and Urban Development. Ted Lamont is now an unaffiliated voter, having last voted for a Republican in 1988. He told The Hartford Courant that "Eastern Moderates no longer have a place in the GOP."[9]
oh you must mean this
Quote:Lamont is also the grand-nephew of humanist philosopher Corliss Lamont who was director of the American Civil Liberties Union from 1932 to 1954, president emeritus of the American Humanist Association, author of 16 books, and a lifelong peace activist.[9][10]
Real hard core left wing radical criminals run in his family. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10365
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:26 pm: |
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Looks like a DNS hack, which means it's likely an inside job (someone who knows the password for managing the domain). Or it was done intentionally by the team to blame it on Lamont.
In either case, it is fixable within minutes should they want to fix it. |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7670
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:26 pm: |
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Similar bio to GWB..
So, what's your point? |
John Caffrey
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Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 456
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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Regardless of the candidate, Lib. or Conserv., I hope the feds prosecute offenses like this as they did to the guy in New Hampshire. Democracy only works when it is run with integrity. |
joel dranove
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Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 855
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:31 pm: |
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Rich, just like us.
Lamont was a real Communist, during the 30's.
You know, Stalin, gulags, Ukraine destruction, slave labor, and the like.
Max Eastman
A Letter to Corliss Lamont
(April 1938)
From New International, Vol.4 No.4, April 1938, p.122.
Transcribed & marked up by Einde O’ Callaghan for the Encyclopaedia of Trotskyism On-Line (ETOL).
DEAR CORLISS,
In 1934, when I met you, and asked about your political position, you said: “I am a Communist, but I am a Truth Communist.” And you explained that striking phrase to mean that you believed in the theories of Marx as interpreted by Lenin, but that you did not accept the policy of political lying to the masses practiced by the official communist parties under Stalin. That gave me a high feeling of respect for you, and upon that basis there arose a certain intellectual and moral friendship between us. You expressed it upon your side by presenting me with a copy of your book, The Illusion of Immortality, and inscribing upon the fly-leaf:
To Max Eastman
Who believes with me that Truth is
“More sweet than freedom;
more desired than joy,
More sacred than the serving of a friend.”
Corliss Lamont
April 1935
Although so clearly seeing that lying to the masses was an essential ingredient of Stalinist policy, and so solemnly abjuring it for yourself, you continued to run with the Stalinist chiefs. You never exposed their political lies, or said publicly what you said to me in private. For a very long time you played friends with both Lie Communists and Truth Communists, and gave your money with one hand to the Stalinists and with die other to independent revolutionary papers which still believed that scientific integrity and honest education of the masses is essential to the proletarian movement. Anybody who plays both sides in quiet times will be found in a crisis on the side with power. And in the issue between truth and political lying, between science and Jesuitism, between intelligence and blind bigotry, between education and indoctrination, between the enlightment and manipulation of public opinion, between the life of reason and the totalitarian state of mind – and that is the paramount issue upon which in this day the fate of civilization rests – the Moscow trials are a crisis. They carry the whole cult, art, ideology and technique of political and party lying to so hideous an extreme that every man in the labor and radical movement must take his stand for or against. And you have taken yours with those whom you yourself so clearly defined as the “Lie Communists”, because they are in the ascendant, and because you lack the moral force to stand against them for the truth.
You have enough sensitivity to feel, if your feelings were free, the crime against knowledge and social understanding involved in the mystification of these trials, even if the men were guilty. You have enough brains to know that if they were guilty of the complicated conspiratorial acts charged against them, it would be easy to prove them guilty beyond a peradventure. You know that that would be the honest way, the way of Truth-Communists and of truthful people anywhere. You are not so blind to the rays of justice, if your eyes were not held shut, as to accept these show trials of a few dozen who were ready to “confess”, as proof of the guilt, and justification for the murder behind closed doors, of hundreds, and indeed thousands, who were not. You are not so superior to the idea of mercy that you would naturally ignore the still unanswered question: What has become of the wives and children of these thousands of murdered communists? You would, under normal conditions, sense the ugliness of your own position – the son of a leading finance capitalist engaging in a campaign of slander by private correspondence on engraved stationery against the executed leaders of the Russian revolution, a scion of the house of Morgan assisting in the process of their dishonor by circulating arguments from the Saturday Evening Post based upon the premises of black reaction. Surely you could find a more appropriate way to serve the cause of labor! And you would find it, if you were free from pressure, free to be your simple, chivalrous self. That is why I assert that you have joined the Lie-Communists, and are serving as their “non-member” stooge and mouthpiece, merely because you lack the force of character to stand against them for the truth.
The one priceless thing you could have brought to the proletarian movement, coming from the source you do and with your education, was true knowledge and absolute principled integrity. Instead you are bringing a little money, a small gift even when it is large, and an increase of mental confusion and moral decay.
You played a very small unhonest trick in the matter of the Trotsky Committee and the New York Times. The committee had issued a press release on its usual stationery, and in printing it the New York Times had remarked that “Among those supporting the Committee’s statement as members were ...” and then reproduced sixteen names from the Committee’s letter-head. You, following the lead of the Daily Worker, issued one of your privately-mailed letters, in which you said that in the New York Times these sixteen persons were “alleged to have signed” the statement, and that therefore the Trotsky Committee was guilty of “a shocking use of names under false pretenses”. If you could push away those who are pressing upon you and take space for reflection, you would know that the action both of the Trotsky Committee and the New York Times was perfectly natural, and that it is you who are guilty of false pretenses and a rather shocking misuse of facts. Not extremely shocking, perhaps – and in your own person this may be only a beginning. It is a significant beginning of the career that is before you as a defender of Lie-Communists.
A more significant beginning, although more subtle, is contained in your circular letter of March, protesting against what you call “vituperation” in the Secretary’s reply to you. It reads:
“I wish to say in conclusion that in these turbulent times it is possible, in my opinion, for intelligent men to differ sincerely on the grave issues which are confronting all of us. And I am deeply conscious of the tragedy involved in the present divisions in the labor and radical movement.”
There is pathos in that appeal for intelligence and “sincere” disagreement, but there is also a certain Pharasaism. As National Chairman of the Friends of Soviet Russia you are, and must be if you remain in office, on all basic issues an obedient adherent of the Stalin party line. You well know the “for us or against us” policy. You know that the unscrupulous vilification and destruction of critics is as essential a technic of the Monolithic Party as of the Totalitarian State. You know that your pose of detached intelligence is being used, and what it is being used for. Perhaps you will realize why I call the resulting state of consciousness Pharasaical, when I remind you that you have addressed these noble-sounding sentences to me, among others, and that they arrived in my hand just after I had been criminally advertised to the world by your colleagues and co-workers, on the basis of these same “confessions” whose credibility you are so eagerly advocating, as an “Agent of the British Secret Service”. You are hand in glove with the authors of that criminal libel. You are doing their work, the work of which it is an integral part. You know them to be, and have yourself named them “Lie Communists”. And yet you strike this pose, and make this plea against “vituperation”, and for a “sincere” disagreement about “the grave issues” etc. And you send the letter to me!
Corliss, the grave issue at the present moment is between truth and lies. It may seem to you that I am drawing moral issues rather fine against you here and now. But you will find that in your role of public defender of a deliberate policy of falsification, you will be impelled, and compelled, to more and more crude, more and more conscious, more and more debased and foul, and even as we see in Russia, murderous, tricks of public deceit and private knifing, until there is not a clear fibre left of the man who coined those words “Truth Communist” and “Lie Communist”, and who wrote that moving inscription in my copy of his book.
Yours sincerely,
Max EASTMAN
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10366
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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It could also be a denial of service attack. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 10367
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:33 pm: |
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How's the water in the deep end, Joel?  |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5419
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:46 pm: |
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Quote:Geary, who developed and oversees Lieberman's site, Joe2006.com (and says that the campaign has paid their account in full), said that an attack starting mid-morning yesterday had "red-lined" the server. "We can't even get the site up," he said. "We even tried putting up a single, blank page. It red-lined the entire network. This guy's got our number."
Geary said that they believed it to be a "denial of service" attack, meaning there are so many queries to the network that it becomes unstable. He did not have any information as to the source of the attack or any idea about the identity of the hacker. "We're just fighting to get something live," he said, "we're not security experts." He also said that it would be up to the campaign as to whether they would refer the case to the FBI.
This was not the first time that the site was attacked. Earlier, a hacker "got through one of the functions on the site," Geary said. The hacker then did a "SQL injection," ultimately replacing the index page. The front page of the site then read "We ownz you site." It was signed "thhacker."
Does that sound like the work of a political campaigner, or a script kiddie?
Apparently there were two different attacks. Yesterday's was the site hack, but according to Lieberman's web hosting company, today it is in fact a denial-of-service attack. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1818
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:47 pm: |
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well, there you have it. There was a 'real' communist in his family, in the 30's.
nice catch jd.
I guess Joe McCarthy couldnt weed them all out huh?
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Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3779
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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Corlis was Ned grandfather's brother (his great-uncle?) and had very little interaction with his family as he was basically disowned. And Corliss didn't want much to do with his Republican family anyway! |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10369
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 3:02 pm: |
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If it's a DOS attack, why doesn't Lieberman's hosting company switch the IP block the site is on? |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2232
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 3:47 pm: |
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Strawberry=Chicken Little, but without content or value, and not half as interesting.
Pitiful. |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3165
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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I think it has been revealed that they just had insufficient bandwidth, right? |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3166
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:04 pm: |
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CT-Sen: Why Lieberman's site is down
by kos
Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 12:38:27 PM PDT
Two posts down it's clear that Lieberman's website isn't suffering from a Denial of Service attack.
But now I have the definitive answer as to why Lieberman's site went down.
They are paying $15/month for hosting at a place called MyHostCamp, with a bandwidth limit of 10GB. MyHostCamp is currently down, along with all their clients.
Here's the deal -- you get what you pay for. My hosting bill is now over $7K per month. A smaller site doesn't need that much bandwidth, but if you're paying $15 because your $12 million campaign is too freakin' cheap to pay for quality hosting, then don't go blaming your opponent when your •••••• service goes out.
For their part, the Lamont campaign has offered its technical expertise to get Lieberman's site back up (which could be done in an hour by a competent sysadmin), and has added a link to the googlecached version of Lieberman's site at the top of their blog.
One side is acting mature, the other is running around making baseless accusations.
Update: Dan Gerstein, Lieberman spokesperson, admits they have no evidence Lamont's campaign or his supporters are behind their website woes.
I'm telling you, it's down because they were too cheap to pay for quality hosting. That's a lesson to all of you campaigns skimping on hosting. $15 won't cut it.
Update II: Joe's site shares one server with 73 other sites. They pay $15/month for an overcrowded server, and then they blame others when it goes down? Full list of sites on Joe's server on the flip.
Update III: From an email:
http://www.meetned.com/ 69.56.129.130
http://www.joe2006.com/ 69.56.129.130
MeetNed.com - Up.
Joe2006.com - Down.
DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. This isn't a DoS attack.
Will the Lieberman campaign reimburse state and federal investigators wasting resources to confirm that the site went down because the campaign was too cheap to hire a quality hosting provider? |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1349
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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I would like to commend Straw for his threads on posts on this site for providing alternative views and opinions to what seems to be an overwhelmingly like-minded group of posters who feel free to personally denigrate him and dismiss his opinions out of hand because they alone know what is right
Smacks of Stalinism to me.
You people who disagree with him, IMHO, are better served in trying to articulate your positions in such a way that they would convince the reasonable reader.
Seems to me, without Straw you wouldn't have much to really chat about, other than gratuitous backslapping. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1325
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:19 pm: |
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Will Straw apologize for starting yet another dumb thread that has no foundation in fact? |
Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7671
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:24 pm: |
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Poor Joe..Always silly. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3804
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:25 pm: |
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Bye-bye, right wing. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10371
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 5:43 pm: |
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The info in themp's post (pulled from Kos) is wrong, I think.
[root@www conf]# ping joe2006.com
PING joe2006.com (68.178.232.95) from 216.109.138.240 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ip-68-178-232-95.ip.secureserver.net (68.178.232.95): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=63.0 ms
[root@www conf]# ping meetned.com
PING meetned.com (69.56.129.130) from 216.109.138.240 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 82.81.3845.static.theplanet.com (69.56.129.130): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=51.1 ms
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It's either a DNS hack or a DOS attack. A hosting company would alert a client they are running low on their bandwidth quota. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 857
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 6:28 pm: |
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Dave:
Did you swim at the town pool this morning, too?
The water is unusually clear and refreshing at the deep end.
You might try the shallow end, based upon your comments.
There is a way to work yourself into the deep end.
Master the basics.
Try it, you'll like it.
jd |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1326
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 8:20 am: |
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Joel,
Thanks for the correspondence between Corliss Lamont and Max Eastman. Do you happen to have similar correspondences between Prescott Bush (W's grandaddy) and government officials in Nazi Germany with whom he did business? |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3169
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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You ring, we bring:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 863
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:40 am: |
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Joe:
No, but, so what.
I just wanted to inform that one man's socialist is an avowed Communist apologist for Stalin.
jd
anyway, closer to home, here is an intro to something relevant to us, from today's The American Thinker:
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The Habit of Betrayal
August 9th, 2006
‘Very Soon, This Stain of Disgrace [i.e. Israel] Will Be Purged From the Center of the Islamic World – and This is Attainable’ —- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, October 26, 2005
”’Imam [Khomeini] said: ‘This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.” —- Ahmadinejad in speaking to The World Without Zionism conference, Tehran, October 26, 2005
“The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake.”—- Richard Cohen, Washington Post columnist |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3686
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 11:55 am: |
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So Straw, are you still of the opinion that this particular issue with Liberman's site was some kind of disgraceful attack by the "criminal radical left"? If so, why? |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5786
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:01 pm: |
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It's not like they slashed tires or anything. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5704
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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If you go to www.joe2006.com right now, this is the only thing you see:
I'm not a computer expert, but I was wondering: If they can put that message up on their site, why can't they have the rest of the site's content there? |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10387
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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Just got around to changing the password?
Also, I pinged the email server mail.joe2006.com yesterday and it was online, so the part about email being interrupted is a lie. |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 3170
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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But Dave, fill me in; why can't any of the 15 zillion highly opinionated, highly tech savvy bloggers out there agree to a single thing about the service outage? I haven't even seen that many likely scenarios posted anywhere. |
cmontyburns
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Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1938
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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I'm starting to wonder if bloggers issue "report" based on theories, not facts.
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