| Author |
Message |
    
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1963
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 11:17 pm: | 
|
So... the man used an obscure racial slur that no one in the audience would get, in an effort to make himself more appealing to ... racists in the audience?
The guy is an idiot, yes. But when everyone has to race to a dictionary to learn just how offended they are by a comment, it's a bit hard to quickly jump on the moral outrage bandwagon.
(It's also great that we can't form opinions about politicians until some hidden video turns up. People don't become racists by uttering a word.) |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5737
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 9:00 am: |
|
It's simple. Senator Allen is the kind of guy who thinks it's okay to say "Welcome to America, Monkey Boy" to a dark-skinned person. That's what the word meant to the Senator. That's a fact that everyone can use in forming their opinions of him.
Not only that, but the target of the comment is an American, born and raised in Virginia. The fact that the Senator would automatically assume otherwise, shows what's going on in his head.
Cmonty, isn't it like the Mel Gibson situation? He is the same person he was before that traffic stop. The general public now has more information, to use in forming their opinions about him. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5805
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 12:01 pm: |
|
So tom....I gather you agree with Dean that white religious republicans all look and behave the same way. Is that true?
If so, do blacks in the Democratic Party and Congressional Black caucus all look the same? Do they all behave the same? |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1927
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
|
cjc - Do you think Allen a racist, prejudiced or just stupid? |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 2029
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
|
Sorry, Southerner, Allen is a racist, plain and simple, just like most white male Southerners. (Doesn't matter that he used an obscure epithet, it showed his true colors). And there are a lot of you, I'll grant that. Which is why other white, male, racist, dipship Southerners are winning elections lately. They know their audience. You're just bummed because he got outed. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5545
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
|
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just quoting his real words to avoid confusion. He's on to something, but is guilty of oversimplification and exaggeration in trying to excite a partisan audience. In other words, the kind of thing that happens a dozen times before the first commercial break on Rush or Hannity. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5806
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 1:39 pm: |
|
Hoops -- the only thing I'm absolutely convinced of is Allen's stupidity at this point. I'll need more than just one comment for the other two categories.
|
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5807
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 1:40 pm: |
|
tom -- you're not saying he's right or wrong??? Well, I'm asking you if he is. How tough is that (unless you're a moderate)? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5547
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 1:58 pm: |
|
"You know, the Republicans are not very friendly to different kinds of people."
True; All you have to do is look at the last year's activity, holdups on renewing the Voting Rights Act, strenuous efforts against gay marriage, further efforts against affirmative action, hostility to women's rights issues worldwide.
"They're a pretty monolithic party."
True; today's Republican party is famous for and proud of their lock-step discipline. To the extent that it's being broken right now, it's a tactical decision made because of dire political necessity. If the Republicans hold both Houses, it will be right back again come January.
"They all behave the same."
False. Some are crooked, some are honest, there are other variations. Some are actually decent people, while others are scoundrels, crooks and liars. And while they all talk the same "moral values" talk, there are a good number of hypocrites along with those who actually walk the walk.
"They all look the same."
An exaggeration, too general. Some are tall, some are short; some are thin, many are fat. On the other hand...
"It's pretty much a white Christian party."
True, due to the "pretty much" qualifier; They have not had significant minority representation since Nixon's "Southern Strategy." And it's not for nothing that they have the Christian fundamentalist vote locked up.
There are simply too many Republicans to make any blanket statement at all that's going to hold true. Just like there's too many liberals to make the blanket statement that they're all "morons," statements that escape your notice on a daily basis around here. |
Ily
Citizen
Username: Ily
Post Number: 259
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 4:35 pm: |
|
More Not Ready For Prime Time Players:
http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2006/tramm_hudson_destroys_himself
Nobody will need a book of Belgian Slurs for this one... |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1928
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 5:43 pm: |
|
So Southerner - growing up in Alabama, do you know this as well? |
3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 353
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 8:30 pm: |
|
Didn't Sen. Biden say something recently about Indians and 7-11 stores? Shouldn't he get his knuckles rapped as well?
Cheers
|
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 901
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 9:14 pm: |
|
Truth be told, who is Allen?
Has he ever said anything memorable, or done anything worthy, before his ethnic coming out speech?
jd |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5741
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
|
Quote:Didn't Sen. Biden say something recently about Indians and 7-11 stores?
It depends.
Did he call them "monkey boys", like Senator Allen did?
As for who Senator Allen is - well, not only is he one of 100 senators, but he's planning to run for President.
So, maybe we could pay a little attention to who he is. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2375
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 9:16 pm: |
|
he's a U.S. Senator from Virginia. |
3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 354
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 7:21 am: |
|
Nohero,
I believe that Sen. Biden is contemplating a run for the White House as well. His linking of Indian Americans with 7-11 stores shows a penchant for smarmy stereotyping, bigotry, prejudice, racism, and nativism which should automatically disqualify him from the Oval Office. I'm shocked to see that someone of a politically correct, progressive, tolerant, multi-cultural and diversity-celebrating bent would just shrug it off. I'm very disappointed. Oh, the humanity! |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 188
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 8:09 am: |
|
3ringale- your point on Biden is well taken and I myself thought that his comments about Indians and 7-11's would certainly do him no favors. However, I think what he said was more a very poor attempt at humor, similarly I think Tramm Hudson's comments (on black swimmers) were ham-fisted and dumb. While your assessment of "His linking of Indian Americans with 7-11 stores shows a penchant for smarmy stereotyping, bigotry, prejudice, racism, and nativism" makes sense, in my opinion, I think that Allen's comments and Biden's statements came from different places. I think Allen was trying to tell his audience not to worry, that kid with the brown skin does not work for me.
|
3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 355
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 9:20 am: |
|
ae35unit,
I am not defending Sen. Allen or Tramm Hudson, who I never heard of before looking at this thread. But Biden's comments are from someone who is considered to have a shot at the Democratic nomination. His explanation in this clip on Youtube is not humor, but rather a rah-rah paean to immigration and the American dream:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UIy9_oOSndM
I would have respected him more if he said it was a lame joke and he apologized, the way Hillary Clinton did a while back when she made a crack about Gandhi owning a gas station in Cleveland. The problem is that he said he was not joking. I think it behooves all politicians, Dems and Repubs alike, to be aware that there is always a camera nearby, ready to catch you tripping over your own feet, picking your nose or saying something dumb. They really should know better.
Cheers
|
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1929
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 9:50 am: |
|
I dont think Biden has any shot at the nomination. He can run if he wants but he tried once and the plagarism issue force him to quit. If he tries again it will probably be a rerun. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5808
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
|
Ily -- I think that Senator was less than articulate in speaking to this issue:
http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.asp?docID=531316
http://www.aquaticsintl.com/2005/oct/0510_minority.html
How about Andrew Young's comments on over-charging convenience stores run by ethnic groups?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/business/18walmart.html?pagewanted=print |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3762
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
|
He's a moron. What does that have to do with anything being discussed here? Is he a politician? Do you think anyone will defend his comments? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5809
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
|
Sorry Rastro. Didn't mean to harm the pureity of this thread. I put it in there because we're talking about politicians making statements with racial components to them. Young was a pol, will always be a 'civil rights leader' which is still a pol, and he's flakking for WalMart. |
steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 1104
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
|
Andrew Young has stepped down. Will Allen do the same? Me thinks not.
From an AP report:
"Civil rights leader Andrew Young, who was hired to help Wal-Mart Stores Inc. improve its public image, said early Friday he was stepping down from his position as head of an outside support group amid criticism for remarks seen as racially offensive." |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 2034
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:41 am: |
|
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/08/a_new_explanati.html
Allen now claims he made up a word to describe the man in the audience. This guys has more excuses than Floyd Landis. In any case, buh-bye presidential nomination. What a loser. |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5743
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:49 am: |
|
Anyway, back to Senator Allen. Maybe we are misjudging him - he may just be part of the marketing effort for a new musical:
Quote:August 17, 2006
Senator George Allen
204 Russell Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510
RE: Opening Night Tickets For White Noise Musical
Dear Senator Allen:
We have been following your remarks on the campaign trail with great interest, particularly your recent use of the term “macaca.” When we heard you use this word, considered by some to be a racial slur, or even a “code” word intended for certain constituents, we knew we had found a potential audience member who could truly appreciate our show on all levels.
We are the creators of an exciting new musical called White Noise, and we would be honored if you would attend the New York opening. White Noise is about a white supremacist teen pop group—inspired by the racist twin girls who make up the band Prussian Blue, with whom we’re sure you’re familiar. It is a fun evening, full of pop songs featuring white power propaganda, and we think you’ll just love it. There’s no instance of the word “macaca” in the script as it stands, but if you were to attend, we would be delighted to work it into the dialogue, or perhaps even devote a song lyric or two to that word that’s so familiar to self-identified white supremacists. Also, we would be thrilled to make a reference to the noose and Confederate battle flag you once had hanging on display in your office. Just let us know; we’re here to accommodate you.
As of today, there are two tickets for our September 18 opening reserved under your name. If you’re unable to make the opening (we know you’re busy campaigning for your race, no pun intended), White Noise can come to you. Say the word, and we can have our cast sing some pro-white pop songs at any campaign event or fundraiser that we are available for.
Feel free to contact us, or just show up at 8 pm on Monday, September 18, 2006 at the TBG Theater on 312 W. 36th Street in New York City. We look forward to meeting you.
Kind regards,
Joe Drymala and Ryan J. Davis
See: http://www.whitenoisethemusical.com/
According to the site, "White Noise" sounds like "Springtime for Hitler" meets the "juke box" musical. |
S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1881
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 6:39 pm: |
|
so when do we discuss Robert Byrd? I am sure he had some really peachy things to say about black america in his younger years.
Hey, but that's ok....
-SLK |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5582
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 6:44 pm: |
|
You can discuss Byrd next time he makes a racist remark. Until then, it's ancient history.
Isn't it nice that people like Byrd can outgrow their youthful ignorance, and sad that guys like Allen just keep it up? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1714
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
|
Allen has lost 16 pts in the polls. LOSER. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1746
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
|
There goes an 16 pt lead down the tubes.
WSJ:
Webb - 47.9
Allen - 46.6
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-flash05a.html?project=elec tions06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1 |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 960
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 1:45 pm: |
|
If history is any guide, there may be really important issues to consider this time.
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told German Chancellor Angela Merkel that the Holocaust may have been invented by the victorious Allied powers in World War II to embarrass Germany, the semi-official news agency Mehr has reported.
The remarks by the outspoken Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly questioned the veracity of the Holocaust, came in a letter sent to Merkel in July whose contents have not been disclosed until now.
"Is it not a reasonable possibility that some countries that had won the war made up this excuse to constantly embarrass the defeated people ... to bar their progress," Ahmadinejad said in the letter on Monday.
"The question is if these countries, especially Britain, felt responsible for the Holocaust survivors, why they did not settle them in their own countries?" it said.
It is not the first time Ahmadinejad has voiced doubt about the mass slaughter of six million Jews under Nazi Germany, previously describing the Holocaust as a "myth" used to justify the creation of Israel.
"By promoting the necessity of settlement of Holocaust survivors in the occupied Palestine, they have created a constant threat in the Middle East," he said, referring to Israel.
Merkel on July 21 indicated that she would not formally respond to the letter, saying it contained "totally unacceptable" criticism of Israel and "constantly put in question" the Jewish state's right to exist.
[...]
Ahmadinejad in his letter also praised the German people as a nation with potential in science, art, philosophy and politics, but "who are not allowed to play their constructive role in the world."
"Undoubtedly, we, our two governments and nations, can make big steps to resolve the existing global problems... together we can convince some powers that respecting nations' rights is in best interest of everybody," Ahmadinejad said. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5653
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
|
Yeah, those Germans have a lot of potential. Maybe some day great musicians, philosophers and physicists will come from there.
It's nice to fantasize about whacking this guy, but then he'll just become a martyr and his idiot ideas will gain even more currency over there. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3769
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 3:38 pm: |
|
What we need is some credible video of Ahmadinejad, say, chowing down on some pork or giving himself a clean shave while rockin' out to some Israeli pop music. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1758
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
|
How did we go from a Senator from Virginia to Iran....................
Joel, did you mean to post that in this thread? |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2341
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 10:51 pm: |
|
One thing that I have observed about George Allen: he has the biggest SEG of any current Republican senator. Behind every SEG is usually an empty mind. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1763
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
|
....well........ that empty mind just blew a 16 pt lead.....
If the Virginia senate seat goes DEM, that may make 6 Seats for the DEMs. |
anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 3016
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 9:48 pm: |
|
His "ethnic" backgorund is interesting:
//www.forward.com/articles/alleged-slur-casts-spotlight-on-senator%e2%80%99s-jewis / |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:36 pm: |
|
In 1996, when Governor Allen entered the Washington Hilton Hotel to attend the Conservative Political Action Conference, http://www.cpac.org / an annual gathering of conservative movement organizations, he strode to a booth at the entrance of the exhibition hall festooned with two large Confederate flags--a booth operated by the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), at the time a co-sponsor of CPAC. After speaking with CCC founder and former White Citizens Council organizer Gordon Lee Baum and two of his cohorts, Allen suggested that they pose for a photograph with then-National Rifle Association spokesman and actor Charlton Heston. The photo appeared in the Summer 1996 issue of the CCC's newsletter, the Citizens Informer.
According to Baum, Allen had not naively stumbled into a chance meeting with unfamiliar people. He knew exactly who and what the CCC was about and, from Baum's point of view, was engaged in a straightforward political transaction. "It helped us as much as it helped him," Baum told me. "We got our bona fides." And so did Allen.
Descended from the White Citizens' Councils that battled integration in the Jim Crow South, the CCC is designated a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. In its "Statement of Principles, "http://www.cofcc.org/manifest.htm the CCC declares, "We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called "affirmative action" and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races."
 |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5683
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 11:54 pm: |
|
Nice find. And a mere ten years ago. I have neckties older than that. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 12524
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 4:17 am: |
|
I am sure that all the Indian American owners of 711s got a good laugh from Biden's comments.  Joe has a long standing reputation for having a cronic case of hoof in mouth disease.
Allen's comments showed a side of his personality that he hides behind the soft spoken, mush mouthed Southern boy persona he projects. His comments have opened the door for the Dems to bring up a lot of skeleton's in Allen's closet. It will probably be a close race in November. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 2002
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 8:40 am: |
|
oh no, not Charleston Heston. not Ben Hur.
I am so surprised and disappointed. |
