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Hoops
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Post Number: 1967
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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 3:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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The 29-page report, principally written by a Republican staff member on the House intelligence committee who holds a hard-line view on Iran, fully backs the White House position that the Islamic republic is moving forward with a nuclear weapons program and that it poses a significant danger to the United States. But it chides the intelligence community for not providing enough direct evidence to support that assertion





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Jamal Ware, spokesman for the House intelligence committee, said three staff members wrote the report, but he did not dispute that the principal author was Frederick Fleitz, a former CIA officer who had been a special assistant to John R. Bolton, the administration's former point man on Iran at the State Department. Bolton had been highly influential in the crafting of a tough policy that rejected talks with Tehran.





Cherry picking the intelligence around the policy again?





http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301309. html

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Factvsfiction
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Post Number: 1499
Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 6:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Peace in our time" - Neville Hoops
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Innisowen
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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lies, misrepresentations, falsehoods, in 2003 - Bush 43
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Nohero
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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen this movie before, back in 2003.

*Spoiler alert*

It ends badly.
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Innisowen
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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On the other hand, perhaps those 2500 US Marines being recalled to active duty this month will be used to teach those Iranians a thing or two (just as successfully as we've done in Afghanistan and Iraq).
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bettyd
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Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't these Republican staffers and Congressmen realize we are bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq after four years of fighting? Don't they realize how strained our military is? We've been exposed. The countries of the Middle East and the world that we consider the Axis of Evil or our potential enemies don't tremble when the U.S. threatens. See Iran. Are the staffers and the children of U.S. Congressmen going to grab a rifle and head over? Definitely not.

I'm so tired of the WWII analogies too. See "Neville Hoops" above. If the Bush Administration and neo-cons equate this war on terror with WWII, and if we are facing a similar enemy and struggle, then act like it. If we are, as we are continuously told, in a life and death struggle with the avowed enemies of democracy and our way of life, then get on the march. Convince all our allies we need a Marshall type plan for the Middle East. Roll slowly through Iraq and Afghanistan from south to north, securing each area and city before we head further north, rebuilding as we go the homes, apartment buildings, schools, universities, hospitals, water and sewage treatment plants, electrical plants, roads and infrastructure, etc. Re-institute the draft, roll back the tax cuts, increase taxes so we can pay for it, ration gas and other staples, get rid of Haliburton and the other private contractors gouging us and not producing results.

Since 9/11 we've been told of this titanic struggle but few have been asked to sacrifice. I believe on 9/12/01 we were told to continue shopping and going to Disney.

I heard on the radio the other day that the U.S. had over 11,000,000 soldiers in Europe at the end of WWII! That's not including soldiers from other countries. If this is a similar struggle, then why do we have 130,000 soldiers in a country the size of Iraq?

Such a program would take twenty years and many here would have to give up the high life. If this stuggle is as they say it is, then act like it. Otherwise, stop the WWII comparisons and just "stay the course."
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Factvsfiction
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Post Number: 1503
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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 4:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would think you have already been fooled.

By Howard Dean.
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Innisowen
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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 5:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And we were all fooled by 43, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and poor Condi Rice, not to mention Colin Powell, who sullied his reputation and political career by shamefully parroting the admin line in the UN. The one difference today is that the admin is fooling only itself.

Hard for the neocons to swallow but true nonetheless.

Fiction: this is for you. The administration never learned an old proverb: Rattus uni non fidit antro
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tom
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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 5:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's sad how the cons can't defend any of these policies on their merits, and have to resort to lashing out with snide (and weak) comments about their usual suspects. If it's not Howard Dean, it's almost certainly Bill Clinton. Or Hillary, or especially Ted Kennedy. Talking to themselves in the mirror, they throw whatever red meat it takes to distract from the total error of the con position.
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Factvsfiction
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Post Number: 1511
Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 7:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

tom-

Some people are like the isolationists in the US in the '30s. We will pay a higher and greater price in American lives because of their obtuseness, IMHO. We cannot negotiate with, satisfy, or convince the Iranians to see things from a western, secular, and humanistic point of view.

The people who suggest accomodation and bending over backwards now will be totally discredited and viewed as marginal five years from now.

Frankly, I see some posts here on MOL as both sad and delusional.
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Foj
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Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fact - did ya hear the Richard Mellon Scaife beat up his wife?

Anybody know if that was his second or third wife?

While Soros probably engages in the ritual sacrifice of animals to the Devil.
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Factvsfiction
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Post Number: 1517
Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 9:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Foj-

On the latter, do you think that might give Bob Menendez an edge over Kean Jr. in the fall?

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