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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5458
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:29 am: |     |
"By the way Ajc, where is OBL?"
Westside, he's in some cave right where he and his kind belong!
Hoops, you say there are a few hundred thousand Ajc's out there thinking what they watched yesterday was truth. If you want to talk about truth, there's a few hundred million Ajc's who know what they saw or heard about "The Path to 911" is true.
Bob, what patriotic, red blooded, all American cares what the left or Clinton thinks anyway? You're right, Clinton was well aware of the problems with terrorism prior to 9/11, and he and his weak ••• administration did nothing to take him out. The one time he sent a few missiles in they made sure OBL was out first...
Remember, when Bush became president he didn't have eight years of intelligence to rely on. Furthermore, if Clinton had ordered OBL killed or captured by any means possible, he would probably would be looked on more as another Harry Truman, rather than the womanizing, weak as a fart politician he is today. THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT CLINTON IN NOTHING MORE THAN A BOLD FACED AND PROVEN LIER!!!
Remember this folks; what goes around comes around. Hatred is nothing to brag about or be proud of. And, as for all of you Bush haters, I'll just say this to you; the reality is that none of you are really very different than OBL and those that follow him. When you live with hate in your heart, you will someday die and lie in your grave and rot with that hate for all eternity...
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Project 37
Citizen
Username: Project37
Post Number: 426
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:32 am: | |
Quote:And, as for all of you Bush haters, I'll just say this to you; the reality is that none of you are really very different than OBL and those that follow him.
I don't know what reality is like on Planet ajc, but do give us a shout when you get back to Earth. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 2129
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:38 am: | |
Quote:Remember, when Bush became president he didn't have eight years of intelligence to rely on.
Wrong. He had all the intelligence that Clinton had and was told unconditionally that OBL and al Qaeda was his biggest problem, but never followed through and ignored the problem.
Quote:And, as for all of you Bush haters, I'll just say this to you; the reality is that none of you are really very different than OBL and those that follow him. When you live with hate in your heart, you will someday die and lie in your grave and rot with that hate for all eternity...
Maybe you should think before you type. Most people are going to find this statement to be extremely offensive and disturbing. You are accursing many of your neighbors, people who have direct involvement with 9/11 on 9/11 of being like the cold blooded murderer who killed many peoples friends and family. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5830
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:38 am: | |
I hardly know where to begin.
But may I cautiously point out that you denounce hatred -- and that is good. But then you tell those of us who disagree with you that we're not very different from the worst mass killer in US history; and that we're going to rot in our graves for eternity.
Isn't that a wee bit ... hateful? |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 518
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:06 am: | |
I hope AJC's latest post is a poorly executed joke.
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notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3832
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:17 am: | |
It is, whether he realizes it or not. |
S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 2081
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:24 am: | |
crabby-
No, i defend ANYONE from unfair (and sometimes partisan) criticism.
It is because I have the audacity to defend Bush on MOL based on the above premise that I am labeled a Bush lover.
If I were truly a Bush lover I would be no different from the Bush haters, both blinded by irrational, limited prespectives.
I can give any person credit when due. I wish many MOLers would cut the crap of partisan politics/ideology and do the same.
And one more time, AMERICA has been ignoring terrorism for a long time, only waking up when it landed on our doorstep. And all we can do is look to blame someone for it.
-SLK
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Straw
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7887
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:27 am: | |
Libs are more concerned about Clinton's legacy than they are about fighting terrorism.
The Clinton legacy, impeachment & Monica. There you have it. Not sure how ABC could do more damage.
libs. |
mlj
Citizen
Username: Mlj
Post Number: 434
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:48 am: | |
wow - ajc - get hold of yourself.
I thought the movie was confusing and incoherent.
For example, it portrays Masoud (sp?), the famed Afgan freedom fighter as belittling the cowardly US administration (when it appeared they were cautious about confirming intelligence and collateral damage to innocent civilians in going after Osama). Then it shows H. Keitel character yelling at captured terrorist for trying to kill innocent civilians. Also talk of "cojunes" - and this film is supposed to be taken seriously, and taught in schools (I think that it was decided not to do that).
The movie is over-the-top in portraying the Clinton admin. as dumbstruck and dopey. And why do we need to see footage of Monica?
I recommend people read Richard Clarke's book. And the 9/11 commission report.
To be fair, there is enough blame to go around. Another thought - I believe that the change in administrations due to Gore's defeat also greatly contributed to disruption and incontinuity in focus and policy at a critical time.
And can anyone explain this: GWB within the last year when asked about Osama, replied that he does not know where he is and does not think of him. Huh? Remember that CIA Osama unit was disbanded? Wha? Yet these days GMB is fiercely back on the case of Osama. (?)
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Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1919
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:20 pm: | |
Remember this folks; what goes around comes around. Hatred is nothing to brag about or be proud of. And, as for all of you Bush haters, I'll just say this to you; the reality is that none of you are really very different than OBL and those that follow him. When you live with hate in your heart, you will someday die and lie in your grave and rot with that hate for all eternity...
DANG AJC!
This on a day that we should be reflecting for those who lost ones on 9/11?
I don't *think* folks who disagree with the Shrub HATE him. Perhaps the feeling of disappointment, his arrogance and stupidity in decision making. He has made us more vulnerable to harm.
And, because those who disagree with the Shrub and his policies you compare them to Osama? I doubt anyone who disagrees will go out and blow themselves up and kill those around them. Sounds like a lot of HATE in YOU from your TONE of the above statement!
I recommend people read Richard Clarke's book. And the 9/11 commission report.
Thank you mlj!
I guess some "right-wing" Repugs REALLY believe this garbage. Folks need to understand the difference between what is real and what is entertainment. It is irresponsible for a major news network such as ABC to knowingly blur these lines. ABC stated that beforehand entire scenes and sequences were completely fabricated for the sole purpose of "enhancing the dramatic effect" of the miniseries.”
I didn’t care much for Reagan, however, the scenes were fabricated for entertainment purposes, so I refuse to watch that movie. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5835
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:31 pm: | |
The biggest problem for some isn't telling the difference between reality and entertainment; it's telling the difference between what is true and what they want to believe. They're really impregnable to facts and reason. They've got their prejudices and their received wisdom and that is that. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 2130
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:33 pm: | |
The overnight ratings -
With strong numbers from NBC's football package,
NBC easily won the night with a 6.7 rating/19 share among 18-49s.
A distant second was
CBS at 3.2/9,
Fox at 2.7/8,
ABC at 2.3/6,
Univision at 1.8/4,
WB at 0.7/2.
Well at least the 40 million dollar show out drew Univision and the WB.
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Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1920
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:43 pm: | |
Thanks for posting Hoops! The people have spoken.
Well at least the 40 million dollar show out drew Univision and the WB.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1518
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:46 pm: | |
That is why I was so amused at all the rantings by you lefties. I knew no one was going to watch, yet it was fun while it lasted. I flipped to it during commercials of the Manning game. It looked just like any other dumbarse tv show created by a network. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5836
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:04 pm: | |
No doubt the ranting kept the rest of us away, or raised the awareness for those who did watch so that they could be properly critical of what they saw. As for the true believers, they would swallow anything anyway; the rants weren't meant for them.
There's no reason why propoganda presented as the facts "as they really happened" should go unchallenged. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1522
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:10 pm: | |
tom,
If that were the case every show on television would be challenged. In the end it was and meant nothing. I'll give the libs credit. At least with their hack job by Moore they made some money and turned him into a cult figure. If us neo-cons do become the minority party in 2008 we will undoubtedly resort to the same type of minority status tactics. You libs gotta admit, being the minority party is kind of freeing. You don't have to watch all sides at the same time. You can just attack, attack, attack, and it's kind of fun. I enjoyed watching my guys go after Clinton. Of course, I believed it to be all just partisan political attacks, but that is what the minority always does. I don't blame you guys for going after Bush, but I do blame you for not getting him and doing it properly. It's kind of like the guy who is a failure at suicide. Pretty pathetic. At least we turned Clinton's second term into a joke and got him impeached, even though in the end it was a worthless exercise. You guys haven't pinned one thing on Bush. Another decade as the minority party and y'all will probably get better operatives. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5839
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:14 pm: | |
Quote:There's no reason why propoganda presented as the facts "as they really happened" should go unchallenged.
If that were the case every show on television would be challenged.
Well you better not challenge "Battlestar Galactica" on that premise. Because I believe every damn frame! |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5459
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:27 pm: | |
What fictional characters and events?
Turn on your TV and tell me where you see any fictional characters... If anyone wants to talk about fictional characters, this tread is full of them. Just look at the picture you put up of yourself Project 37... I think you need to get a grip pal…
"Most people are going to find this statement to be extremely offensive and disturbing."
Really? Listen up Hoops, if the shoe fits, wear it… There's no point in arguing this with you or anyone else. You know who you are and so do we. The hateful and disrespectful words and deeds speak for themselves...
IMHO, the mean-spirited lawn signs, bumper stickers, posters, and other interactions from people of all ages speak volumes of the character of many of you. I’m not speaking of just our community, I speaking of people everywhere.
Sadly, some hate mongers among us, yes, like our neighbors and others who had direct involvement with 9/11 have very misdirected feelings. We are not fighting this war because we hate, we’re fighting for our lives and peace in the world so all men can be free.
FWIW, the events leading up to 9/11 go back much farther than Bush or Clinton, so why hate them? President Bush is doing everything he can to bring these terrorist to justice. If any of you feel someone else will do a better job, than work to elect that person. In the mean time, the terrorists are watching for our resolve as a nation. Therefore, this president, our troops, and our nation need everyone’s support. Lets put real meaning into the “United” States...
And, remember what I said the next time you, your children, or your friends say they hate someone, "When someone lives with hate in their heart, they will someday die and lie in their grave and rot with that hate for all eternity..."
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westside
Citizen
Username: Westside
Post Number: 26
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:38 pm: | |
"the reality is that none of you are really very different than OBL and those that follow him"
So ajc compares liberals to Osama bin Laden and we're the ones filled with hate.
Whatever! I like it when people come right out and say stupid things right up front, it removes from me the responsibility to take their viewpoint seriously. I will admit, we all are like OBL in one respect: your president "doesn't spend much time thinking about him". |
S.L.K. 2.0
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 2084
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:41 pm: | |
Unfortunately another usless poll to illustrate my point (my emphasis in bold):
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington has risen from almost a third to almost half over the past four years, a CNN poll released Monday found.
Asked whether they blame the Bush administration for the attacks, 45 percent said either a "great deal" or a "moderate amount," up from 32 percent in a June 2002 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.
But the Clinton administration did not get off lightly either. The latest poll, conducted by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, found that 41 percent of respondents blamed his administration a "great deal" or a "moderate amount" for the attacks.
That's only slightly less than the 45 percent who blamed his administration in a poll carried out less than a week after the attacks.
Still, most Americans appear to be fatalistic, with more than half -- 57 percent -- saying they think that terrorists will "always find a way to launch attacks no matter what the U.S. government does."
The poll was carried out August 30 through September 2 by Opinion Research Corp. with 1,004 American adults questioned by telephone. The sampling error for the questions was 3 percentage points.
Still I am curious, for all those who condemmed this film and refused to watch it. How can you past judgement on it if you didn't watch it? While You proudly declare your defiance all I see is an admittance of ignorance.
Sorry...jus calling em like I see em, which is usually the case...
-SLK
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3936
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 6:00 pm: | |
Fact is, it just doesn't matter what ABC, ajc, and slk think about the road to 9/11. It's over. That show is over, and its message, whatever it may be, really doesn't reverberate for many. Sorry.
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Project 37
Citizen
Username: Project37
Post Number: 427
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 6:09 pm: | |
Quote: What fictional characters and events?
Turn on your TV and tell me where you see any fictional characters... If anyone wants to talk about fictional characters, this tread is full of them. Just look at the picture you put up of yourself Project 37... I think you need to get a grip pal…
ajc, it has been well-documented that the film uses composite characters. That means that certain people depicted in the movie never existed in real life, making them "fictional." The same goes for certain events depicted in the film (e.g., Madeleine Albright's actions). Perhaps you should try researching a bit more before being so quick to proselytize. The information is out there. Opinion is one thing, but facts are another. Be careful not to confuse the two.
As for my MOL picture, that is what's known on the Internet as an "avatar". |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 12642
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 6:27 pm: | |
Bet when they get around to the actual events of 911 they will skip the part where Bush hid out on Air Force One and at the old SAC base in Nebraska for the rest of the day. We will see a steely eyed, determined GWB taking over the controls of the 747 over the protests of the pilots and the Secret Service and flying directly back to Washington. Much better drama that way. 
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westside
Citizen
Username: Westside
Post Number: 27
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 6:44 pm: | |
Bob, that's the one thing I can't fault. When an event happens, the Secret Service takes over, and their first job (after getting the President away from his favorite book, that is) is to get the president on Air Force 1. That is the safest place for him to be.
They flew him to Nebraska because there is a secure bunker there. Remember at 1pm we didn't know if this was all over, we didn't even have all the planes accounted for at that point. Once this was done, it was safe to go back to Washington.
Remember too, the real President was in Washington the whole time anyway (in a secure location). |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1830
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:16 pm: | |
Ahhhh ...westside... Bush was notified on a phone about the 1st Tower...Prior to the Booker photo op....the SS let Bush continue to the Booker School. Bush then continued with the Photo op.
A good 30 minutes passed before the Bush Motorcade made for Air Force One. Considering that airplanes were flying into Buildings...... is a building really the best place to be... ?
It looks like a "A Path" garnered a 3rd palce ranking in the DC area, behind the FOX and the Washigton game, while nationally the Giants game came out on top, with a tie to "Path" & the CBS movie.
AJC, have you heard.... Pakistan is giving amnesty to the Taliban & UBL, in fact the PAK President has all but given UBL a "stan" for himself. SO yeah... when you make a comment that is so far out, as to orbit near planet Pluto, or not a planet... LOL.... you might understand.. that gives the impression that you are holed up in a room like Howard Hughes, in the middle of some paranoid delusion, in a completely non reality based environment. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5460
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:30 pm: | |
"So Ajc compares liberals to Osama bin Laden and we're the ones filled with hate."
Westside, what don't you understand about "If the shoe fits, wear it?" FWIW, an ever increasing number of people on the left are attacking the president. It doesn’t have to be this way. Dividing the country is exactly what our adversaries are counting on.
War has always been about divide and conquer, and no one has done a better job of dividing this nation than the left and the peace activists… The left’s mentality has always been about making their opposition look bad so they can look good… Every war is ugly, and every war has a purpose. We don't fight wars for oil or to take over their country.
The idea that America’s wars are evil is a false and terribly wrong position. American’s who believe this are feeding the enemy the energy to carry on the fight. Think about it, how can the enemy lose if almost half of America is on their side.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1529
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:32 pm: | |
All this and your boy Kerry still couldn't be him. |
westside
Citizen
Username: Westside
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:35 pm: | |
Well, foj, the Secret Service made some mistakes too.
Have you ever heard the one about the "TV crew" that showed up at Bush's hotel at 7:00am? They were sent away. Some think they have been part of the plot.
Truth is, the Secret Service should have taken charge. I guess they felt that Bush would take the initiative to start leading the country, but they were sadly mistaken. |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1852
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:45 pm: | |
P37 wrote:
"ajc, it has been well-documented that the film uses composite characters. That means that certain people depicted in the movie never existed in real life, making them "fictional." The same goes for certain events depicted in the film (e.g., Madeleine Albright's actions). Perhaps you should try researching a bit more before being so quick to proselytize. The information is out there. Opinion is one thing, but facts are another. Be careful not to confuse the two.
As for my MOL picture, that is what's known on the Internet as an "avatar"."
 (would have used the high five icon, were there one)
signed,
hate monger lib |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1530
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 8:17 pm: | |
"Opinion is one thing, but facts are another. Be careful not to confuse the two."
That has been going on ever since the Republican revolution. Remember all the, Americans believe what we believe, even after losing seats in every election. And after this upcoming election when Republicans still hold the majority the usual posters will be stating they are the majority. Confusion is the norm.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5843
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:48 pm: | |
Quote:FWIW, an ever increasing number of people on the left are attacking the president. It doesn’t have to be this way. Dividing the country is exactly what our adversaries are counting on.
War has always been about divide and conquer, and no one has done a better job of dividing this nation than the left and the peace activists… The left’s mentality has always been about making their opposition look bad so they can look good…
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mlj
Citizen
Username: Mlj
Post Number: 436
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 12:04 am: | |
I got this from ABC website:
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Comments by Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism czar under Presidents Clinton and Bush, and current ABC News consultant:
As someone who was directly involved in almost every event depicted in the fictionalized docudrama, "The Path to 9-11," I believe it is an egregious distortion that does a deep disservice both to history and to those in both the Clinton and Bush administrations who are depicted.
Sadly, ABC's Entertainment Division hired a production company and screen writer who were apparently unqualified to deal with this historically important subject matter. That error appears to have been compounded by the failure of some of the docudrama's consultants to insure that the account was accurate. Some of the most outrageous scenes were removed after a recent senior level review. What remains, however, is not the true story as told by the 9-11 Commission.
Although I am not one to easily believe in conspiracy theories and have spent a great deal of time debunking them, it is hard to escape the conclusion that the the errors in this screen play are more than the result of dramatization and time compression. There is throughout the screenplay a consistent bias and distortion seeking to portray senior Clinton Administration officials as holding back the hard charging CIA ,FBI, and military officers who would otherwise have prevented 9-11.
The exact opposite is true. From the President, to all of his White House team, and NSC Principals (Lake, Berger, Albright, Tenet, Reno) there was a common fixation with terrorism, al qaeda, and bin Ladin. The President approved every counter-terrorism operation presented to him, including many that CIA proved unable or unwilling to implement. He increased counter-terrorism spending by 400% and initiated the first homeland security program in forty years. Even though the US had taken relatively few casualties from al qaeda at the time, the President repeatedly authorized the use of lethal force against bin Ladin and his deputies and personally requested the US military to develop plans for "commando operations" against them. Even though he knew the timing of an attack aimed at killing bin Ladin would be labeled by critics as a political diversion, Clinton decided to follow the advice of his national security team and pay the price politically.
All of us who worked on these issues, then and now, hold some responsibility for the failures to stop al qaeda. I bear that burden every day.
But if history is to know where to assign some of that culpability, it should not be guided by this fictionalization. It might better focus on leaders of the FBI who held back John O'Neill, leaders of the CIA's Clandestine Service whose risk aversion prevented the Counter Terrorism Center from doing its job, and senior generals who strongly urged the Commander-in-Chief not to use our military to go after the al qaeda leaders in Afghanistan. Somehow, all of that is missing from this not too subtle televised politicization of history.
As is so often the case, the best advice about how to think about these things comes not from people like me or others in Washington, but from the families of the victims of 9-11. Several family members issued this statement, which I strongly commend to all:
"Families of September 11 believes the best way to honor those who were lost is to make sure that what happened to them never happens again. As such, we must understand exactly what took place, and not allow "entertainers" to promote misleading or incorrect information as fact to the public.
If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. Any depiction of 9/11 that is not accurate and factual propagates myths, myths that may cause us future harm.
In order to make our country safer and more secure, we owe it to those who were lost to acknowledge that which took place, so that we can ensure it never happens again."
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There are more comments to be found at:
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=2416946&page=1
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5844
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 9:22 am: | |
Reading the other comments is instructive. Sandy Berger, Madeleine Albright and other administration figures write carefully phrased, dignified letters that attack the facts but not the producers, and instead urge the producers to take the high road. The worst any of it gets is the DNC's calling the film "propoganda" -- without calling the filmmakers propogandists, mind you -- and MoveOn's calling the film's author a right-wing activist (which is doubtful he'd deny).
Contrast it with the Traditional Values Coalition's screed against Clinton. They use the words "tantrum" and "shrieking," dole out large portions of sarcasm ("[Clinton] now wants to be the wizard of truth and accuracy") and personal insult to ABC execs ("liberal ABC executives go weak in the knees") and top it off at a boiling-point with "Mr. Clinton was more interested in pursuing Ms. Lewinsky and other frat boy antics than he was in getting bin Laden.
"ABC-TV has now been proven to be owned and operated by Mr. Clinton and the vast left wing conspiracy. ABC's lack of spine is what is 'despicable,' not this factual program."
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If this level of discourse represents traditional values, I'm proud to be un-traditional. I understand why people on the right don't like Clinton and want to allot blame to him; and as most liberals agree there is plenty of blame to go around.
But why do they so vigorously defend scenes which are demonstrably false, scenes that every person in a credible position to deny they happened has done so? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 5845
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 9:26 am: | |
Reading the other comments is instructive. Sandy Berger, Madeleine Albright and other administration figures write carefully phrased, dignified letters that attack the facts but not the producers, and instead urge the producers to take the high road. The worst any of it gets is the DNC's calling the film "propoganda" -- without calling the filmmakers propogandists, mind you -- and MoveOn's calling the film's author a right-wing activist (which is doubtful he'd deny).
Contrast it with the Traditional Values Coalition's screed against Clinton. They use the words "tantrum" and "shrieking," dole out large portions of sarcasm ("[Clinton] now wants to be the wizard of truth and accuracy") and personal insult to ABC execs ("liberal ABC executives go weak in the knees") and top it off at a boiling-point with "Mr. Clinton was more interested in pursuing Ms. Lewinsky and other frat boy antics than he was in getting bin Laden.
"ABC-TV has now been proven to be owned and operated by Mr. Clinton and the vast left wing conspiracy. ABC's lack of spine is what is 'despicable,' not this factual program."
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If this level of discourse represents traditional values, I'm proud to be un-traditional. I understand why people on the right don't like Clinton and want to allot blame to him; and as most liberals agree there is plenty of blame to go around.
But why do they so vigorously defend scenes which are demonstrably false, scenes that every person in a credible position to deny they happened has done so? |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1921
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:12 am: | |
ajc says,
“ What fictional characters and events?
Turn on your TV and tell me where you see any fictional characters...
read what mlj posted. (Thanks for posting this mlj)
Bush is doing everything he can to bring these terrorist to justice.
Hmmm… on Osama Bin Forgotten
“I truly am not that concerned about him’, said President George W Bush on 13 March 2002, after being asked the million-dollar question ‘where is bin Laden?’ once too often 5. ‘Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all’, said Bush, brushing bin Laden off as ‘a person who has now been marginalized.”
FWIW, an ever increasing number of people on the left are attacking the president.
Not quite… Check out these hate monger Republicans! (Oh and there are several sites but I’ll just post a few)
Republicans Against Bush
http://www.republicansagainstbush.info/
http://www.thoughtfulpolitics.com/page/page/1322728.htm
http://www.carlospaulet.com/RAGBUSH/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1062297/posts
I see several Repug Senators & Congressmen now distancing themselves from Bush now that the mid term elections are coming up.
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