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     Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7865 Registered: 10-2001 |
The dopey libs owe the President and Vice President an apology. They may as well do the same for Rove. Are libs always wrong? Yes. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060908/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_armitage | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5815 Registered: 10-1999  |
You only just found out about Armitage? You're not losing your edge, I hope. That still doesn't exonerate the liars and political hacks, though ... | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5873 Registered: 8-2003 |
Armitage said he's sorry. The press and the Left like him, and Biden suggested him for Secretary of Defense. So it's OK. As Richardson said about the missing data at Los Alamos -- "It's the human element." | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7867 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nohero, As a general rule I tend to post fact once confirmed. Now that Armitage has admitted he's the source, I want to hear what libs have to say. I mean, what the heck were the libs doing? "It's Bush!, it's Cheney!, it's Rove!, it's Rice!", etc. etc. etc. I guess the left isn't interested in facts. I mean hasn't Dan Rather taught the left anything? If you can't prove it, chances are it isn't true. I have to say I'm very disappointed with libs at this point in time. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5782 Registered: 5-2001 |
Really, it was confirmed over a week ago, and has come and gone as a topic here. Go catch up, we'll be here. cjc, why do you think it's OK, and enough that he said he's sorry?  | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7872 Registered: 10-2001 |
Wrong again Tom. It was believed he was the source but yesterday he confirmed those rumors. You see here's the thing. Republicans wait for facts and Democrats make them up as they go along.In this case there was clear evidence Armitage was the leaker but until the accused is convicted or in this case admits, it's best to reserve judgment. "Richard L. Armitage confirmed Thursday that when he was the No. 2 State Department official, in 2003, he inadvertently disclosed the identity of CIA employee Valerie Plame in conversations with two reporters." Now back to topic. Why did the libs continue lying about who outed the CIA agent? Why did they decide to point fingers and accuse without anything even resembling evidence? Is this how the libs plan to operate if for some odd reason they were to obtain a majority in Congress? The lefty liberal base of the Democratic party is a disgrace. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5877 Registered: 8-2003 |
Broder lectured the press yesterday in the DC Post to report facts instead of hyping up conspiracy theories. Dan Rather has been offered a chance for rebuttal. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5789 Registered: 5-2001 |
Also, as I posted elsewhere, while Armitage was the primary source, Novak states that he had three sources before he published. The others are not off the hook. Just because one person told Novak, that does not automatically declassify it. Or should it work like this: OPERATOR: Hello, Central Intelligence Agency. This is Amy speaking. How may I help you. NORTH KOREAN OPERATIVE: Hello Amy, I'm inquiring about the covert status of Jane Doe. She has been working in North Korea and we would like to know if she's a spy. OPERATOR: I'm sorry, but we do not confirm or deny information of that kind. NKO: Yes, well we've heard from one source that she is. But we'd like to be sure first before we roll up her network and send their famlies to prison camps. OPERATOR: Oh, someone has leaked it already? That's different! Yes, she is covert. Would you like her home address and phone? | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 2221 Registered: 2-2005  |
"Richard L. Armitage confirmed Thursday that when he was the No. 2 State Department official, in 2003, he inadvertently disclosed the identity of CIA employee Valerie Plame in conversations with two reporters." I guess we should have no problem that a State Dept. official is so casual in his conversation with reporters that he discloses classified information. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3046 Registered: 6-2002 |
Has anyone answered my question as to what Judy Miller was doing in jail for all those weeks? Why didn't Scooter say "I was her source"? Why didn't Armitage say "I was the source"? If none of them did anything wrong, why was a Special Prosecutor appointed? Does anyone have any explanation? | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7880 Registered: 10-2001 |
Anon your behind on the story Armitage said he wanted to disclose his role in the leak as soon as he realised he was the main source for a Robert Novak column which named Plame as a CIA intelligence officer, the Times reported. But he told the newspaper he kept quiet at the request of Patrick Fitzgerald, the prosecutor investigating the leak. Reuters So, it was the hero to the left (Fitzgerald) who created the problem.. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5795 Registered: 5-2001 |
If you consider smoking out the other leakers a problem. | ||
| pcs81632 Citizen Username: Pcs81632 Post Number: 146 Registered: 6-2002  |
Here's Armitage's problem. He opened his mouth and told a reporter something that should have been kept confidential. And, before anyone goes off on the "Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent" talking point, I'll accept the CIA's decision to request Ashcroft to open an investigation, since they (the CIA) knew her to be covert, and believed the law had been broken. Or was George Tennant an evil pawn of the liberal left? Here's Armitage's other problem. He was ignorant of the fact that Rove and Libby, working at the direction of the Vice President were working a second track to discredit Joseph Wilson. Novak got the info from Armitage and confirmed it with Rove. If anyone's owed an apology, it's the American people by the thugs in power down in Washington DC. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3924 Registered: 3-2004  |
Rove allegedly said to Chris Matthews, "If Joseph Wilson can f*** with the Administration, the Administration can f*** with the Wilsons." What a guy. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2056 Registered: 10-2005  |
I am glad to see that the "great scandal that in fact wasn't" is still chugging along.... tulip, In case you overlooked it, the key word in your statement is "allegedly." Of course with your unhealthy hatred of the current administration, you will no doubt believe Matthews...too predictable, I wish you were the winning powerball numbers. I also wish Matthews did accept Zell Miller's request for a duel, the latter would of smeared Matthew's all over the mat. -SLK Of course there is no discussions on, ahem, "Ambassador" Joe Wilson's lies and political affiliations/agenda, it would be too much objectivity for the SOMA progressives to bear... | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3925 Registered: 3-2004 |
slk: It's just one of the many scandals that will add up to a failed political party. The old bumper sticker, "The Moral Majority is Neither" may not have been true in 1990, but it is now. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2058 Registered: 10-2005 |
tulip- who are joking, the only reason it is a "scandal" to you or the rest of your loony left robotic cronies is because your leftwing websites to you it was... I never seen a group in such lockstep in this country as the progressive left..it is truly Orwellianly (made up) frightening.... -SLK | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5798 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'm beginning to think that hatred of the current administration, far from being unhealthy, is just the medicine America needs. One indicator is the violent tone that so many of it's adherents express. While lies are clearly wrong, a political affiliation and agenda are apparently wrong too, if they're Demoractic-leaning. But do share with us what they are. Projection. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5823 Registered: 10-1999 |
Why is "Ambassador" in quotes? It implies that he misappropriated the title. Are the Administration's supporters unaware of his record of government service? | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2060 Registered: 10-2005 |
tom- nice try. I have finally determined that if I need an answer out of the offical left wing encyclopedia I just need to ask you. -slk | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5800 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sorry, liberals don't believe in walking in lockstep, and don't believe in official points of view. We believe in individualism. It's just more projection. Maybe Rove has an updated talking point, go to mindcontrolcentral.com and see if there is one. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2063 Registered: 10-2005 |
liberals believe in individualism? LOL....maybe the classical version, but modern day? yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  thanks for making my day, Tom, now maybe you should go think long and hard about your last post. -slk | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5802 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sure, that's why we all continuously recite key slogans and phrases like Flip flop cut and run tax and spend stay the course war on terror Oh wait, that's you guys. Maybe that's why we want everybody to say the same prayers in schools? Oops, you guys again. Well you can always come up with cases such as the one where the liberal in a press conference said that "Americans need to watch what they say." Oh wait, that was Ari Fleischer. But maybe it explains the explosive growth of mega-churches, attended by liberals who make it a focal point of their lives, insulating themselves from the opinions of others who don't share their particular belief systems? No, conservatives again. And it's why a prominent liberal said, "it is exactly the [republicans] of the world who will disappear, … They will go so that no Texan need grow up thinking that being a Republican is acceptable behavior." Except it wasn't. It was a prominent conservative, Grover Norquist, and he really said "it is exactly the Stenholms of the world who will disappear, … the moderate Democrats. They will go so that no Texan need grow up thinking that being a Democrat is acceptable behavior." Maybe the famous liberal radio host who advocates eliminating the alternative point of view once and for all: "We don't want to get rid of all conservatives. I want to keep a couple, for example, on every major U.S. college campus so that we never forget who these people are." Except, again, it was Rush Limbaugh who wanted to get rid of all the liberals. Maybe you should think long and hard about what kind of people you are in bed with, and what they are telling you. | ||
| pcs81632 Citizen Username: Pcs81632 Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2002 |
tom You forgot the newest talking point: adapt to win. Uber political hack Ken Mehlamn can't seem to say anything else. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2064 Registered: 10-2005 |
tom- i asked about you around town and i received two confirmations from people that know you personally that you are about as left wing as they come on everything. if this is the case then why continue sparring with you when i already know what your rsponse is going to be? If you consider, as you apparently do, everything "liberal" is good and everything "conservative" is bad then what is the point? your "us vs. them" and "you guys"tone in your last post further proves your shortsighted and prejudicial biases. you are summing up the entire right wing based on what rush limbaugh says? you are summing me up on political/pundit talking points? How old are you? i have a novel idea, why don't you ask me what i think of school prayer instead of of automatically assuming you know what i think about it? I do enjoy posting on MOL's political board but the moment you remotely defend Bush and his administration you are automatically on the far right. If this makes your life easier then so be it. Tom, in short, try to teach me something instead of regurgitating what your left wing websites tell you. -SLK | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3051 Registered: 6-2002 |
My question has been answered as to Armitage, at least in part. No one has answered as to Libby. Why didn't he do the right thing and let Judy Miller out of jail? Back to Armitage. Someone should ask him: When Fitz told you to be quiet did you question him on why he was keeping Judy Miller locked up if he knew the leak started with you? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5805 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why don't you ask your sources how old I am? As for being on the far left of everything, not exactly. I came down pretty hard on this board recently in favor of religious music in schools, for one. You can also find me taking a centrist position over on the "evangelicals" thread. My positions come from my ethical bias towards honesty and fairness, as well as a strong sense of social justice. They come from my religious beliefs which include the ideas that the love of money is the root of all evil, and only he who is without sin among you should cast the first stone. I believe that most things aren't as simple as they look, and very few things are black-and-white. I believe that if you have to lie or mislead to validate your position, then your position is invalid. And most importantly, I believe that not everyone is born with an equal chance at success, and that we as a society and as a country are stronger and better if we try to raise up the lowest instead of further enriching the highest. So while I may appear to end up on the left, that's because the left is where people like me end up. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3053 Registered: 6-2002 |
Not very far left to me. Now if you said that all rich people are rich because they are thieves and all poor people are poor because they are honest, and all history is the history of class struggle and all religion is the opiate of the people, then one could call you about as left wing as they come on everything. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1821 Registered: 9-2004 |
Its not left..... its mainstream. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5810 Registered: 5-2001 |
Saying that people like me are "radical left-wingers" isn't meant to be true, descriptive, express an opinion or define a policy; it's a tactic aimed at marginalizing all but the true believers and polarizing the electorate. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1824 Registered: 9-2004 |
Tom, Exactly. Especially the "polarizing" part. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5884 Registered: 8-2003 |
tom -- for someone who says love of money is the root of all evil, you sure love talking about and focusing on the money other people have that you don't. And it's not like they've taken it from you, which would make it understandable. Me? I'm just moseying along with my beliefs, and I just happen to be standing next to Buckley, Reagan and Von Hayek. But I'm not a conservative. They are. Yeah, right. You are a liberal. Maybe you're not into Christian bashing, but you're a liberal. It's OK. Don't mislead to validate your opinion. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5813 Registered: 5-2001 |
I never said I wasn't a liberal; of course I am. What I'm denying is being part of some lock-step mind-control organization. And that my beliefs come from a label instead of the other way around. My economic interests aren't aimed at getting more money for me personally. I'm fine. My concern is for people on the lower rungs of the economic ladder who aren't fine, and are falling farther and farther behind. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2121 Registered: 10-2004  |
cjc you should reread toms positions. He is not misleading anything and is upfront about where he stands on issues. We can certainly debate whether the money that you make takes away from the total amount of money left over for the next person but that has nothing to do with toms positions. Slk once again you are focusing your arguments on the person and not on the persons position. Until you begin explaining your own positions and discussing them seriously you will never get your point across. You had some interesting (but wrong) points on the abortion issue and it is still the only one that you have been able to extrapolate and argue frankly. All the rest of your arguments are typically pointing to the person and accusing them of being leftist as if that means anything. I find it disturbing that you would be asking around about any poster on this board. If you are that interested send tom a PL and see if he wants to get to know you. If not then leave it alone. Really creepy. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3062 Registered: 6-2002 |
cjc: Tom didn't deny he was a liberal. He denied he was "as left wing as they come on everything." You guys are so right wing that you don't know what left-wing is. To me "left-wing" means Marxist. A left-winger believes in the complete dismantling of capitalism and the establishment of socialism or communism. A "liberal" in the current use of the word believes in preserving capitalism but believes that capitalism is not perfect and therefore it is the government's obligation to ameliorate some of the harsher results of capitalism. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5816 Registered: 5-2001 |
hoops, anon, thanks. Here's that tactic again, right after I've called them on it. Trying to position me as an extreme leftist; and then when I reject that position accuse me of denying being a liberal. As though they are the same thing. The tactic is part of a strategy to squeeze out the middle, deny its existence, polarize everyone and then marginalize those of us who don't buy into the conservative plan. History has seen this done before, and it ends badly. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2125 Registered: 10-2004 |
I think the reason for this is so that the few can control the many. Those who have the power have to try to hold on to it and garner more. It makes no sense in the long run because a strong middle class is the glue that allows the powerful to exist. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3066 Registered: 6-2002 |
tom, Hoops: Is it just a tactic or do they really believe that anyone who does not support Bush 100% is a "leftist". | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2126 Registered: 10-2004 |
according to them anyone who doesnt support Bush is an appeaser. Personally, I cant keep it straight in my mind which name they want to call me. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5817 Registered: 5-2001 |
Appeaser is just one that they've added to this list. The tune's the same, only the lyrics have changed. It is most definitely a tactic. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2083 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- I hope Tom, or even possibly you, don't flatter yourselves when I made the statement that I asked around about him. it is not like I ran out my door saying "gee, I don't have a life so I am going to find out who this Tom character is..." It happened like this (and will keep it vague as possible): I was in a store when it occured to me that the people I was talking to has mentioned in the past that they know "all the Toms" who post on MOL. We had a previous conversation about all the posters we know on MOL. These individuals know many more than I do or care to know. That is when I asked about Tom and they confirmed his lefty politics. The people who confirmed this are also left leaning. I could think of a couple of names to call you, but I really don't feel like getting banned again. -slk | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2131 Registered: 10-2004 |
 SLK - I know how much self control that took you so thanks. I am sure IRL that you are a good guy (well not exactly sure but sort of sure, anyway I wouldnt ask anyone).
still creepy | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2096 Registered: 7-2004  |
"i asked about you around town and i received two confirmations from people that know you personally that you are about as left wing as they come on everything." Why do I get the feeling that this is the first post in a series that leads to a warrent for Scrobie's arrest? | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2456 Registered: 8-2003  |
I wouldn't expect you to say that. but don't be surpised if a lot of people think it. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5838 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think I better go upstairs and lock my doors and check the windows. |
