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HOWARD DEAN
Citizen
Username: Nails
Post Number: 356
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 7:22 am: |     |
KNOTEHEAD,
HOW WORRIED ARE YOU ABOUT THE UPCOMING ELECTION? |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1480
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 1:53 pm: | |
Somewhat worried. I think Kerry is likely to win, but it will be close. It is possible that Republicans will be successful in manipulating and/or suppressing voting in key areas like Florida and Michigan, giving the win to W. I think that would be a terrible thing for the country and perhaps the world.
Now, back to business...
"There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And — but first things first. The — these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework — the groundwork — not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the—all right."
—George W. Bush, referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001
"My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the — in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen."
—George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Aug, 13, 2001
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singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 398
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 1:57 pm: | |
It is possible that Republicans will be successful in manipulating and/or suppressing voting in key areas like Florida and Michigan, giving the win to W. I think that would be a terrible thing for the country and perhaps the world.
That is complete and utter ••••••••. In addition to race baiting at its worst, it is statements like that (along with producing fake documents) that will cost Kerry the election. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 352
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 2:01 pm: | |
Note,
Those quotes aren't fair. As you must know the president spent the first half of the day clearing brush in the blazing Texas heat(as per the advice of his handlers--great photo op making him look like a real rancher). By the time he made these 2 statements he was probably crazy from the heat, which is why real ranchers wait until the winter to clear brush. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 353
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 2:04 pm: | |
Suppressing the black vote has been an integral part of Republican campaign strategy for years. Ask Ed Rollins. |
singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 400
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 2:11 pm: | |
B •••••••• t. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 271
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 2:21 pm: | |
Singlemalt...you're kidding yourself. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 354
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 2:24 pm: | |
Well, that settles it I guess. |
singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 402
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 2:47 pm: | |
Look, I am not a Republican. I am supporting Bush for a number of reasons I've documented over the past few months. I call them as I see them. Here is how I see this accusation:
When election laws are enforced in predominately black polling places, Democrats immediately say they are trying to suppress the black vote. You could walk into a predominately white polling place during any election and use this same rhetoric against the Democrats. If everyone would make sure they are registered in the time allowed by law prior to the election, people would not be upset. The laws must be enforced and if someone feels they are being disenfranchised, they can place a provisional ballot and be heard by a judge the very same day (usually immediately) all across this entire country. In most cases, judges will allow the illegal vote to be counted even when there is no record of voter registration. The law is intended to not allow the same people from voting several times in different locations.
It's Kerry walking into the Baptist meeting last week and making these BS accusations that give me another reason to vote for Bush. That is race baiting -- plain and simple.
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Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 611
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 3:01 pm: | |
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Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 612
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 3:07 pm: | |
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Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 613
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 3:10 pm: | |
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Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 272
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 3:25 pm: | |
When election laws are enforced in predominately black polling places, Democrats immediately say they are trying to suppress the black vote.
I'd like to know what law you think was being enforced here:
The menace first appeared in Florida in the November 2000 presidential election. While the media chased butterfly ballots and hanging chads, a much more sinister and devastating attack on voting rights went almost undetected.
In the two years before the elections, the Florida secretary of state's office quietly ordered the removal of 94,000 voters from the registries. Supposedly, these were convicted felons who may not vote in Florida. Instead, the overwhelming majority were innocent of any crime, though just over half were black or Hispanic.
We are not guessing about the race of the disenfranchised: A voter's color is listed next to his or her name in most Southern states. (Ironically, this racial ID is required by the Voting Rights Act of 1965, a King legacy.)
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Voters whose name, birth date and gender loosely matched that of a felon anywhere in America were targeted for removal. And so one Thomas Butler (of several in Florida) was tagged because a "Thomas Butler Cooper Jr." of Ohio was convicted of a crime. The legacy of slavery -- commonality of black names -- aided the racial bias of the "scrub list."
Florida was the first state to create, computerize and purge lists of allegedly "ineligible" voters. Meant as a reform, in the hands of partisan officials it became a weapon of mass voting rights destruction. (The fact that Mr. Cooper's conviction date is shown on state files as "1/30/2007" underscores other dangers of computerizing our democracy.)
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=222&row=2 |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1481
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 6:46 pm: | |
"That is complete and utter ••••••••."
Singlemalt, wake up and get a clue. Florida's manipulation of felon lists, along with their efforts to intimidate black voters, has been widely reported.
Likewise, the statement by John Pappageorge, a white Republican state legislator in Michigan, that "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote we're going to have a tough time in this election" has been reported around the country.
As Bob Herbert describes in the NYT today:
"In Texas, students at the predominantly black Prairie View A&M University were threatened with arrest by the local district attorney, a Republican, who suggested they were not eligible to vote in the county in which the school was located. This was nonsense. Students can vote in their college towns if they designate the campus as their home address. The whole point, of course, was intimidation. The threat of arrest is an excellent way of deterring someone from voting."
It's not race-baiting if it's absolutely true, witnessed, documented and otherwise verified a hundred times. Plenty of Republicans will stop at nothing to manipulate voter turnout. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1482
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 6:47 pm: | |
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1483
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 6:58 pm: | |
Other recent examples of voter suppression by Republicans, from a new NAACP report on the subject entitled "The Long Shadow of Jim Crow"
- In South Dakota’s June 2004 primary, Native American voters were prevented from voting after they were challenged to provide photo IDs, which they were not required to present under state or federal law.
- In Kentucky in July 2004, Black Republican officials joined to ask their State GOP party chairman to renounce plans to place “vote challengers” in African-American precincts during the coming elections.
- Earlier this year in Texas, a local district attorney claimed that students at a majority black college were not eligible to vote in the county where the school is located. It happened in Waller County – the same county where 26 years earlier, a federal court
order was required to prevent discrimination against the students.
- In 2003 in Philadelphia, voters in African American areas were systematically challenged by men carrying clipboards, driving a fleet of some 300 sedans with magnetic signs designed to look like law enforcement insignia.
- In 2002 in Louisiana, flyers were distributed in African American communities telling voters they could go to the polls on Tuesday, December 10th – three days after a Senate runoff election was actually held.
- In 1998 in South Carolina, a state representative mailed 3,000 brochures to African American neighborhoods, claiming that law enforcement agents would be “working” the election, and warning voters that “this election is not worth going to jail.” |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 831
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 1:39 pm: | |
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1485
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 2:40 pm: | |
What? Isn't anybody going to deny that those efforts to suppress minority votes never happened? Or deny that it is happening now?
Awww...
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1486
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 2:42 pm: | |
Bush's Top Ten National Security Flip-Flops
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Philip Revard
1. Bush said we were winning the war on terror; then he flip-flopped and said we couldn't win the war on terror; then, a day later, he flip-flopped again and said we were and could win the war on terror. [NBC Today Show, 8/30/04; Rush Limbaugh interview, 8/31/04]
2. Bush repeatedly refused to admit he made mistakes with the Iraq war; then he flip-flopped and said he "miscalculated" and; then, flip-flopped again with the mother of all oxymorons and said the war was a "catastrophic success." [NYT interview, 8/26/04; AP, 8/29/04]
3. Bush said catching Osama bin Laden was his "#1 priority" and "we will not rest until we have found him."; then, a year later, he flip-flopped and said he didn't know where Osama was, didn't care, and that catching Osama was not a priority. [speech, 9/13/01; White House press conference, 3/13/02]
4. Bush opposed creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security; then he flip-flopped and supported it. [White House Press Briefing, 10/24/01; New York Times, 2/28/03]
5. Bush opposed creation of the 9/11 commission; then he flip-flopped and supported it. [Statement of Administration Policy, Executive Office of the President, 7/24/02; LA Times, 11/28/02]
6. Bush opposed giving the 9/11 commission more time to complete its work; then he flip-flopped and supported giving it more time. [Wash. Post, 1/19/04; CNN, 2/5/04]
7. Bush said he'd cooperate with the 9/11 Commission; then flip-flopped and withheld documents from the Commission. [AP, 10/27/03]
8. Bush opposed having Condoleeza Rice publicly testify before the 9/11 commission; then he flip-flopped and let her publicly testify. [USA Today, 3/30/04]
9. Bush opposed creation of a panel to investigate Iraq's failure to have weapons of mass destruction; then he flip-flopped and supported it. [NY Times, 2/7/04; LA Times, 2/1/04; AP, 2/6/04]
10. Bush vowed to never reward North Korea's nuclear blackmail; then he flip-flopped and offered them aid in exchange for a promise not to build nuclear weapons. Bush is also rewarding North Korea by pulling out thousands of U.S. troops from South Korea. [Time magazine, 8/23/04] |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 835
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 3:57 pm: | |
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Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 292
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:14 pm: | |
Since Bush never saw combat, I wonder what he used his straw for...hmmmmmmm. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1487
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:31 pm: | |
Good one, Madden!!  |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1494
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:03 am: | |
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Ronald Allan
Citizen
Username: Mondale
Post Number: 8
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:24 am: | |
very poor taste. Lame, very lame. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 303
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:27 am: | |
Some would argue that the quote itself is what's in poor taste. That cartoon isn't far from the truth. |
Ronald Allan
Citizen
Username: Mondale
Post Number: 10
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:34 am: | |
Anyone who finds humor in the death of soldiers is someone I take issue with. |
Maple Man
Citizen
Username: Mapleman
Post Number: 302
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 12:00 pm: | |
Anyone who taunts enemies to come after our soldiers is someone I take issue with. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 305
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 12:15 pm: | |
I'd also add that not every cartoon is meant to be humorous. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1500
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 2:12 pm: | |
I don't happen to find humor in the deaths of soldiers. I do, however, find MASSIVE IRONY in that cartoon.
Welcome (back) to MOL, Ronaldberry. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1501
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 2:13 pm: | |
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1513
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 11:20 am: | |
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1544
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 11:21 am: | |
Bush is my shepherd, I shall be in want.
He maketh me lie down on park benches.
He leadeth me beside the still factories,
He restores my doubts about the Republican Party.
He leadeth me into the paths of unemployment for his cronies' sake.
Yea, though no weapons of mass destruction have been found, he maketh me continue to fear evil.
His tax cuts for the rich and his deficit spending discomfort me.
He anointed me with never-ending debt.
Verily my days of savings and assets are kaput.
Surely poverty and hard living shall follow me all the days of his administration,
And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever. |
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