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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 11990
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:07 pm: |     |
Nearing an A+ for this finish.
This man looks like he will be serving another 4 years...
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sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 11992
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:15 pm: | |
Bonus Points to Team Bush for putting on a terrorist incident free convention. This was a major concern and the fact that nothing happened will dawn on people before November.
I cannot see Kerry beating Bush in the debates. Kerry is truly in a deep bind. |
singlemalt
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Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 279
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:17 pm: | |
I predicted a 4 pt bump. I'll raise it to 8. |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 754
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:21 pm: | |
"You know where I stand"
"I ask you to stand with me"
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sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 11995
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:22 pm: | |
2.5 - 3 |
DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 281
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:31 pm: | |
Bush has clearly given up on trying to bring in more congregants and is spouting platitudes and buzz phrases just to please the choir. The man said nothing of substance. And his absolutely pathetic dancing around the lies he told to justify his invasion Iraq is going to provide laughs and derision for weeks amongst anyone who can think or who doesn't get their news from Fox. He is doomed. |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 758
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:34 pm: | |
It was personal. It was direct and it was from his heart. He laughed at himself. People can identify with him.
Kerry can't touch this.
Admit it...it was a great presentation, if Kerry did a great job at the DNC I would have said it.
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 122
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:37 pm: | |
DrF, The problem is that no one will call him on the lies or half truthes. The news media in our country long ago gave up serious analysis of the accuracy of political claims. Neither side is being called on their inaccurate statements, from slight exaggerations to bald-faced lies. So people get all their understanding of the political landscape from one liners, political ads, and spoon fed news stories from the various national committees.
The sad thing is that the real losers in this are the American People. Whoever wins, this has been one of the most disgusting campaign seasons I can remember. |
DrFalomar
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Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 285
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:39 pm: | |
I couldn't agree with you more on that, Rastro.
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anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 1348
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:50 pm: | |
Wow! Talk about beauty being in the eyes of the beholder!
I didn't think much of the speech. First he tells me he wants to control spending. Then he gives me a list of new programs he'll spend money on. Then he attacks Kerry for wanting to spend!
The biggest cheering began when he said he would "defend marraige against activist judges". That's where the heart of the GOP is. So those of you who think Giulianni will ever be the candidate are dreaming.
As to protecting the Nation, his people couldn't even keep hostile demonstrators from getting on to the floor!
I don't know what is going on. First the Dems have a convention where they parade a bunch of Generals, veterans, military folks, etc. Then the GOP convention features all the folks from the "moderate" wing, all the pro-choice people, and the President proposes a bunch of spending programs to help poor people! |
Sylad
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Username: Sylad
Post Number: 762
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2004 - 11:52 pm: | |
Anon..
"You know where I stand"
"I ask you to stand with me"
He is closing the deal...Kerry has not even responded to the RFP.
It is over. |
Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 1005
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:00 am: | |
The speech was lame and the applause was mild considering the occasion.
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Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 72
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:02 am: | |
kerry's giving a good speech right now~ |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2320
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:11 am: | |
Kerry's speech and Bush's speech sucked in terms of delivery. Bush did one of the best jobs he's ever done, but...well, I'm a tough critic.
You have to read the texts to see if you agree with the candidate. Decide as you will.
Kerry just said that Bush misled us into the war in his 'wake-up call' speech. That's the one he voted once for, and when asked if he'd vote for it again -- said he would. He's a walking contradiction. What a Clymer.
He said his patriotism was challenged. The republicans said he was a patriot. They just said he was an effectively an idiot.
Tulip is a patriot. And let me just say.....good night. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 11997
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:13 am: | |
What makes Kerry's speech any good? There are no specifics in this speech. It's as empty as Bush's speech. |
Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 73
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:21 am: | |
So you're saying Bush's speech was empty and you gave him an A+. hmmmm
I'm just saying Kerry still has an arsenal of things to go after Bush with - which he just demonstrated. This showdown is not over yet.
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DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 289
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:31 am: | |
Kerry's speech has the benefit of showing that at least he can take some talking points written on cards and turn them instantly into a speech.
That said, his conclusions never hammered home the conclusions he was building to. He'd make a good point, follow it with two more, all said in a fairly straightforward manner, then conclude with a somewhat canned line that was a good line but didn't really follow from the previous points.
That none of the other networks is covering this is ridiculous, especially with one reporter saying that it was unprecedented for a candidate to come out against his opponent the night of his acceptence speech. Of course, the reporter's network wasn't covering it.
At least he came right out and said Bush misled us. Bush could only try to justify his deception in, fittingly, deceptive terms. |
micah
Real Name
Username: Michael
Post Number: 700
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:51 am: | |
Bestest Line :
"Some people say I have a kinda swagger. In Texas we call it walking."
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DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 290
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:57 am: | |
Kerry's best line today:
"We all saw the anger and distortion of the Republican Convention. The vice president even called me unfit for office last night. I guess I'll leave it up to the voters whether five deferments makes someone more qualified to defend this nation than two tours of duty."
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Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 74
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 1:17 am: | |
Here is Kerry's response to Bush's speech:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0902e.html |
OddLot
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Username: Amh
Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 7:34 am: | |
DrFalomar -- clever line, but doesn't that get right back to a lot of the critism of Kerry's campaign? Isn't there a better rebuttal to Cheney's remark than to suggest that he is more qualified based on his 4-month tour of duty in Vietnam? I think most of us can agree that Kerry stepped up and offered valuable service in Vietnam, but this just can't be the foundation for his campaign. |
singlemalt
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Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 281
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 7:35 am: | |
Watch when the polls come out this weekend or early next week. Bush will open a considerable lead.
Kerry looked real desperate last night coming out with the same rhetoric about his Vietnam service. If he can't get off this topic and move onto domestic issues he will fall even farther behind. He essentially walked right into what the Republicans wanted him to do after the election. He couldn't even wait 15 minutes to do it either. |
singlemalt
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Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 282
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 7:40 am: | |
The latest Zogby poll shows a 9 point bounce for Bush over the past 2 weeks. This was taken before his speech last night which by all accounts (other than those predisposed to hating GWB) was really good.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
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DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 291
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 9:05 am: | |
I love how people say Kerry served only four months, but don't mention that in that time he earned three purple hearts, a bronze star and a silver star. certainly more accomplished than most, don't you think? imagine if he'd had to stay longer. he might have won the CMH. |
singlemalt
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Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 286
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 9:32 am: | |
I did not hear one speaker at the Republican Convention bash Kerry's service in Vietnam. As a matter of fact, on several occasions and by almost every speaker they praised his service. This was intentional, effective and most importantly – strategic.
John Kerry is a fool. He is falling into the trap set by Karl Rove. The GOP is attacking his post-war comments and his record in the Senate, which is raising doubt on his ability to be Commander in Chief. Kerry continues to avoid both of these topics and continues to point out his distinguished military career in Vietnam. That answer is not good enough.
Has Kerry explained why he accused himself and everyone he served with in Vietnam of being war criminals? NO
Has Kerry explained why he voted the way he has on defense issues while in the Senate? NO
The Kerry campaign just doesn’t get it. What Kerry said and did after he came home from Vietnam voids any of the positives that occurred while serving (politically). Rove and team want Kerry to continue to talk about his Vietnam service. Look at the swing in the polls since he made it an issue at the DNC.
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1462
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 10:05 am: | |
What Kerry said and did after he came home from Vietnam shows that he was not only willing to put his own life on the line for his country, but he also had the intelligence, morality, and courage to speak out against the misuse of military force by the country he is so dedicated to. People who can't perceive that might as well stay home on Election Day and let citizens with intelligence choose the POTUS. |
Duncan
Real Name
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 2780
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 10:05 am: | |
OSAMA BIN LADEN.OSAMA BIN LADEN.OSAMA BIN LADEN.
OSAMA BIN LADEN.OSAMA BIN LADEN.OSAMA BIN LADEN.
Thats who is responsible for 9/11. That Bush never mentioned the name speaks volumes about his priorities.
I want OBL dead, arrested, captured, tortured, whatever, and frankly I don't care who does it. But what, oh ye bastions of the republican party, ever made Mr. Rove not let mention of OBL into the speech?
And sylad..this is your best line ever..
quote:Admit it...it was a great presentation, if Kerry did a great job at the DNC I would have said it.
This was no where near a great presentation. It was better than his usual. But Clinton on a bad day was better than that..presentation wise. |
Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 369
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 10:16 am: | |
He still can't say "nuclear." |
OddLot
Citizen
Username: Amh
Post Number: 36
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 10:39 am: | |
That bothers me too Lizziecat. It's like scraping your fingernails across the chalk board to me when he says "nucular". I'm starting to think he must be getting coached to keep saying it that way for some reason. |
Heybub
Citizen
Username: Heybub
Post Number: 333
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:06 pm: | |
Hey, it worked for Jimmy Carter. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 3707
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:52 pm: | |
Bush laughed at himself? Well, let's see. He said some people correct his English. OK, perhaps that's an admission of a flaw, but the subject of his sentence was others, not himself. Calling his swagger walking is not a flaw admission. Did he admit flaws in his leadership? |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 124
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 12:56 pm: | |
Zogby? Not exactly the most respected pollster out there. NBC (Tim Russert) indicated a small (3 point, I believe) bounce as of this morning. I was surprised. I expected a much larger one, but I think there are a much smaller number of undecideds at this point, given the vitriolic nature of these campaigns. |
singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 287
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 1:01 pm: | |
Rastro - which polls do you respect? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2322
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 3, 2004 - 1:24 pm: | |
Zogby I believe has been the closest of all pollsters in the last several elections. I think he's the best. Many times I don't agree with his analysis of what candidates need to do to improve their position, but I very much respect his numbers. |
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