| Author |
Message |
    
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 6:09 pm: |     |
Sir Sbenois,
As The Former Frau Professor Tulip, and currently still Frau Tulip, I hereby request permission to use the word "Thankey."
Thankey. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 12043
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 6:10 pm: | |
No.
Not until you start that thread I asked to to work on earlier today. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 1201
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 6:14 pm: | |
Well, I guess I'll just have to brave the copyright laws and use the word without your permission. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 12045
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 6:16 pm: | |
Big mistake. |
singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 321
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 6:58 pm: | |
Tulip, old hag (don't ever refer to me as child again and you won't get the same in return), there is no concentrated effort to be biased by these magazines in polling. Editorials and news reporting - YES.
Please ignore the voices in your head. I am getting worried. Did you see the Dr.? |
singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 322
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 7:03 pm: | |
Rasmessen is showing a bump also. This will grow over the next few days since it is based on a 3 day rolling average. Full effect will be release on Monday and I expect will be also be double digits.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 1203
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 7:40 pm: | |
Cut it out, singlemalt. I hope you become president someday and everyone throws rotten tomatoes at you.
You are hypersensitive, inexperienced, and often incorrect, such as your claim that Time Magazine is "liberal." There is nothing liberal about it.
Why is Bush being president so all-fired important to you? The abortion issue? I'm so sorry you don't feel things are going your way and you have to call me an old hag. May everyone remember you for your self-righteous little rage. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 1204
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 7:47 pm: | |
You facetiously called me "Professor Tulip" and made some stupid, indignant little remark about my "poor students." You are insufferable, stubborn and rude. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 165
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2004 - 8:02 pm: | |
I don't believe a particular publication's bias (assuming there is one, other than profit) affects the polling they do. But these recent polls are flawed indicators of bounce.
First, there is the issue of including leaners after the convention, but not before. Second, as compares to Kerry, his polling was done days after the convention ended, not during the height of it, as Bush's was. Third, the DNC was not a non-stop festival of bashing and smearing Bush, as the RNC was regarding Kerry. Compare keynote speeches, and ask why people thought less of Kerry after the RNC than they did of Bush after the DNC. Fourth, and most importantly, bounces don't win elections.
Fun fact: In mid-October of 2000, Bush led Gore by 13 points...there's a looooong way to go til Election Day. |
Ed May
Citizen
Username: Edmay
Post Number: 2139
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 5, 2004 - 4:27 pm: | |
Dave
How about a special Election Critical MOL face-to-face? Put all the Kerry people on the left side of the room, all the Bushies on the right side, all the Naderites somewhere off to the side, ....... |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 770
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 5, 2004 - 4:58 pm: | |
Bush lead Gore by 13 points in mid-october...and he was the winner after all the chads were counted in FLA. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 169
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 5, 2004 - 5:07 pm: | |
Bush lead Gore by 13 points in mid-october...and he was the winner after all the chads were counted in FLA.
Technically, he was the winner after the chad-counting was called to a halt. A great many of the chads were never counted. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2325
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 5, 2004 - 7:03 pm: | |
Chad counting of all the chads Gore thought could provide him a victory was halted after they were counted -- again, as he was never interested in what all the people voted.
But I digress..... |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 170
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 5, 2004 - 8:17 pm: | |
Chad counting of all the chads Gore thought could provide him a victory was halted after they were counted -- again, as he was never interested in what all the people voted.
But I digress.....
Hey, I never claimed Gore was a brilliant strategist. I'm saying that a significant number of Floridians never had their votes counted. |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 770
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 10:48 am: | |
What poll had Bush ahead by 13 points? The only one I could find was a USA today poll with bush ahead by 8 points in October... and the rest were a far sluimmer margin, in fact Zogby had Gore ahead in October.
Please link. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 172
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 1:53 pm: | |
Michael--
It was Gallup/CNN/USA Today. The link is http://www.pollingreport.com/wh2gen1.htm
Search for "10/24-26/00"
Bush 52, Gore 39. |
Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 589
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 2:01 pm: | |
Any truth to the rumor that they are really going to transplant Clinton's heart into Kerry? |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 771
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 7:20 pm: | |
What a week for Kerry, first the RNC then President Clinton goes down (I am glad he is doing great and from reports I have seen will make a full recovery) and wont be able to be out on the stump for Kerry for 4-6 weeks.
What's next?
To be a fly on the wall at Kerry's private meetings. |
Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 590
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 8:28 pm: | |
They say that Kerry is best with his back against the wall near the end of elections. He came back on Weld in Massachussetts, he came back on Dean et al in Iowa. But Bush is one tough campaigner, has a very motivated following, and lots of money. Having both Clintons on the sidelines for the next month will hurt; having Sasso on the plane might help (but didn't he run Dukakis's campaign?). It is going to be a slugfest through at least the first debate. |
Ed May
Citizen
Username: Edmay
Post Number: 2152
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 11:39 pm: | |
Wait until the news gets out about Edwards .... |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 771
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 11:30 am: | |
Mark,
I'm not impressed that Kerry, a Dem in Massachussetts came back against weld... It amazes me that he even had to, IN MASSACHUSSETTS! He is Kennedy's man and he had a battle for re-election, in MASSACHUSSETTS? Against a Republican?
I also think that Dean was more of an implosion than a comeback, people may tell the polls that they are for Debut they wise up and realize that he is a nut of the highest degree.
Bush is a tough campaigner... watch the rallys on C-Span, Watch the reception Bush gets versus the one Kerry gets... watch the stump speeches. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 173
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 1:41 pm: | |
Watch the reception Bush gets versus the one Kerry gets...
The problem is, he gets it from a pre-screened audience full of loyalty oath signers. Kerry gets his ovations from whoever happens to show up. And when hecklers make themselves known, they get a response, not an arrest:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04251/374641.stm
Bush is preaching to the choir, hence the enthusiasm. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1466
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 2:40 pm: | |
Wait until the debates. If Kerry does a clearly better job at the first debate, I GUARANTEE you that Tom Ridge will suddenly move to the next color on the terror threat scale. Either that, or we'll finally see OBL "suddenly" captured. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 177
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 3:04 pm: | |
I'm worried about the debates, but for a different reason. It seems that the more "likable" guy wins the debates, regardless of who actually made better points. While Kerry will be a superior President, I don't think anyone could accuse him of being "likable," at least not in the way that people feel it about Bush. I'm getting ready for Kerry to get stomped in the debates...not on merit, but on style. |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 779
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 3:14 pm: | |
Why would Kerry be superior?
What in his experience makes you believe that? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 885
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 3:28 pm: | |
A can of SPAM would be superior to Bush. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 886
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 3:33 pm: | |
Because the SPAM on my shelf never tries to assemble a coalition of processed meat products and invade the refrigerator on a mission to uncover vegetables of mass destruction (VMD).
|
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 181
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 3:44 pm: | |
Because the SPAM on my shelf never tries to assemble a coalition of processed meat products and invade the refrigerator on a mission to uncover vegetables of mass destruction (VMD).
That's what I was going to say! |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 887
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 3:52 pm: | |
And the SPAM is truly a uniter, not a divider.
You break open the SPAM, and you've got yourself a party (and not a political party, either). |
Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 594
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 4:39 pm: | |
MJ: Weld was a great governor, wonderful administrator, excellent quipster, and general bon vivant. Heck, he even eliminated some of the tolls on the Mass Pike. Although I tend to vote Democrat, I liked Weld a lot and felt Kerry was more interested in Washington than Massachussetts. I still do not know how Kerry managed to beat him, but he did, starting with the debates. Oh yeah, I was a Mass voter for that election. |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 781
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 4:58 pm: | |
Mark,
Thanks for the info... But still Weld was at a disadvantage just being a republican in Mass. I don't really get it, most Bostonians I know HATE Kerry. But they keep voting for him. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 185
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 5:09 pm: | |
I don't really get it, most Bostonians I know HATE Kerry. But they keep voting for him.
Maybe they feel job performance is more important than likability. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2346
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:27 pm: | |
You've got a lot of knowledge about Boston voters, Madden? Those Catholics up there are quite a liberal bunch when you get down to their core values, it's a racially inviting environment, public schools are highly respected, Ted Kennedy would be held in the highest of esteem if he ran without his family backing and gay marriage would pass tomorrow.
Boston is stupid. |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 195
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:36 pm: | |
Boston is stupid.
Smearing an entire city because of blind partisanship is stupid. |
Closed: New threads not accepted on this page