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DrFalomar
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Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 296
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 4:52 pm: |     |
Kitty Kelley's new book on the Bush family alleges that 43 did coke at Oval Office while 41 was president and that he started doing coke while in college. I can't get too worked up about Bush doing blow because I didn't care that Clinton got stoned. What I find more interesting in the Daily Mirror article about the book are these paragraphs:
"Bush has admitted being an alcoholic but, asked during the 1999 election if he did drugs, he said: 'I've told the American people that years ago I made some mistakes.
"'I've learned from my mistakes and should I be fortunate enough to become president I will bring dignity and honour to the office.'
"Later an aide clarified his remarks saying Bush hadn't taken illegal drugs in the past 25 years."
What I find interesting about them is they exemplify Bush's primary rhetorical strategy. He dissembles on an issue, giving a total non-answer or empty statement, then has some flack offer a clarification later. That way he can't be caught in a lie. He can always say, if the lie is exposed, that the flack was speaking inappropriately while he remains above the fray. Do you think he learned from his father saying definitively, "No new taxes," and having that played over and over again when it turned out to be a lie? Now we have a president who won't say anything, who speaks defensively and not positively, thinking more of the bad press he might inspire rather than the people of America he should inspire.
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April 1st
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Username: April1
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 5:01 pm: | |
too funny.
I think she's gotten Ron McClain and Bush confused. |
singlemalt
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Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 339
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 6:37 pm: | |
Bush should take a page out of the Kerry book. Say the Kitty Kelly book is funded by the Kerry campaign and is nothing more than a smear tactic financed by the Democrats. |
Ed May
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Username: Edmay
Post Number: 2153
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 6, 2004 - 11:40 pm: | |
No Coke, Pepsi |
Maplewoody
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Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 718
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 10:54 pm: | |
No Ed. COKE!
SNORT.... |
fringe
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Username: Fringe
Post Number: 494
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 7:48 am: | |
Is the use of illegal drugs by a serving representative reason to vote him/her from office? |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 2830
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 8:53 am: | |
yes. |
jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz
Post Number: 203
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 9:17 am: | |
If he uses them while in office, then yes. I don't think the issue is whether Bush used an illegal substance (Kerry has admitted smoking pot I believe, as have Gore, Clinton, Michael Bloomberg and other office-holders). The only reason it's become an issue is Bush's refusal to just come out and admit it. In fact he could have used it as an opportunity to speak out against drug abuse. His coyness has made it a bigger issue than it probably would have been, unless he's trying to hide more than just an occasional snort, e.g. low-level dealing or something like that. |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 325
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:09 am: | |
Just out of curiosity: how old was W when daddy was in the White House?
I mean, it's not like he was a college kid doing what college kids have been known to do. He was a grown man doing something most people would agree is worse than smoking pot...I daresay that the others who have admitted smoking pot were younger. |
Mark Fuhrman
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 598
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 11:30 am: | |
NCLB--No Coke Left Behind. |
Mark Fuhrman
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 599
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 11:35 am: | |
jjkatz: Excellent points. I can't stand how politicians act so sanctimonious about drugs, and then forget they were part of the culture back then. How many posters on MOL could have passed a urine test when they were younger? It is rare that somone under the age of 50 (60?) did not at least try some illicit drugs, and a whole lot did more than that. Far better to deal with the reality and speak out against the problems illegal drugs create than to duck and cover. |
Cato Nova
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Username: Cato_nova
Post Number: 358
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 11:53 am: | |
The reason why it is a problem is that the GOP, and the Dems, are hypocrites. They have all happily filled our jails with drug users, while they themselves gleefully snort, imbibe, smoke, inject. It is ironic that Bush paints himself as a law-and-order, pro-military hawk when he used connections to avoid service, did drugs, and had an arrest for drunk driving hidden. |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 2783
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 2:14 pm: | |
www.drugpolicyalliance.com
Mark F- exactly. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2337
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 8:48 pm: | |
Cato illustrates the point that when conservatives take positions on that which they have no direct experience, then they can't dare to speak on them because they're 'out of touch.' If they are 'in touch'(like drugs, draft dodging, alcohol, etc if we allow all his smears to be true), then they're discredited by the same people.
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