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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2344
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:15 pm: |     |
The assault weapons ban will lapse, and not Kerry or any democcrat with a national stage is talking about it, because it is political death if they do.
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ashear
Citizen
Username: Ashear
Post Number: 1312
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:25 pm: | |
Sadly, it will be real death, for real people, including the police officers who are appaled by the law lapsing. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2347
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:28 pm: | |
Police officers, or the leadership that supposedly speaks for them? |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 197
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:39 pm: | |
Police officers, or the leadership that supposedly speaks for them?
Good point. I hear cops love cop killer bullets.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Their leadership doesn't speak for them...what are they, appointed by God????? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2352
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:48 pm: | |
Guess you're a big Union man, aren't you. One of the 40% that votes for the GOP? Talk to Mr. Beck.
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1469
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 11:04 pm: | |
Do we know yet how much the NRA paid W for this one?
Don't worry, folks. Help is on the way. |
bobk
Citizen
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 6079
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 8:02 am: | |
A lot of the assault weapon ban is basically BS. Things such as "pistol grips" and "flash suppressors" ain't a big deal. However, does any civillian have a legitimate need for a 50 round clip for their semi-automatic M-16? I don't want to be in the woods with "sportsmen" carrying one of those.  |
Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 601
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 8:47 am: | |
Whether the ban is as effective as it could be or not, the symbolism of trying to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING about assault weapons and automatic weapons is important. We should be writing better legislation, not letting the meager one we have now lapse.
Bush is doing a good imitation of a flip-flopper on this one, saying he supports it but doing nothing to move it forward. Kerry is soft-pedalling it because the Dems think they lost the House over NRA issues. Both should be ashamed. Meanwhile, the message to street thugs and drug dealers is that their weapons of choice will be easier to get starting next week.
Oh, and CJC, the retired detectives and street cops who staffed and ran my security details in Class A office buildings in New York all support the ban, and want an even tougher one. They think the NRA and its ilk are nuts driven past reason by their slavish devotion to the cause. |
ashear
Citizen
Username: Ashear
Post Number: 1313
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 8:53 am: | |
2/3 of all Americans and 1/3 of all NRA members support the ban. This just shows how the gun nuts run the repbulicans. The NRA refused to make an endorsement for pres until the ban expired. Talk about having a gun held to your head. |
thegoodsgt
Real Name
Username: Thegoodsgt
Post Number: 592
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 9:25 am: | |
The real challenge in the gun control debate is how to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals. There's a vibrant underground market on the streets. Even if we ban assult guns, require every firearm to be registered, require that all new firearms be sold with locks, etc., criminals will continue to acquire handguns.
How do we deal with that? |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1181
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 9:26 am: | |
“Does any civilian have a legitimate need for a 50 round clip”
Yep, and I got a two reasons for you.
1. Ever fired 30-40 rounds in 1 pop. It’s cool as hell. Guns heating up. Walking sideways so you really have to lean into it. Loud as all hell. Brass flying all over the place. Some people like to do this, I enjoy it.
2. Today you’re asking why I would need 50 rounds, tomorrow it’s “does any civilian have a legitimate need for a 10 round clip”. So this is a buffer.
I don’t know of any state where it is legal to hunt with these guns. That’s not what they’re for. bobk said Sportsman like its only hunters when that’s not the case. I’m sure a few people have tried this but it’s not the norm.
I don’t think the problem is the guns, or their size. It’s the tracking of guns that needs to be addressed. People need to be accountable for the guns once they leave the store. It’s to easy for guns to change hands without control.
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thegoodsgt
Real Name
Username: Thegoodsgt
Post Number: 593
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 9:34 am: | |
There's also the growing problem of "assult pitchforks!"
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/08/pitchfork.robbery.ap/index.html
:-)
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bobk
Citizen
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 6083
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 9:35 am: | |
Brett an interesting point is the 10 round limit on handgun magazines. Glancing through my brother in law's collection of gun magazines (the type you read  ) you can't help but notice how small a 9 millimeter automatic can be designed with the smaller magazine (the kind you load with). Is this better than a standard sized Glock or Berreta with a 15 plus round magazine?
Personally I have my doubts.
As far as Rambo fantasies, well, as I said before, I don't see a legitimate use for high capacity rifles, although fun is fun I guess. |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1183
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 9:47 am: | |
For me that’s the point, it just fun. I don’t have crazy delusions of protecting my family in the middle of the night, or starting a civil war.
And as for legitimate use, what’s a legitimate use for a tennis racquet? It’s just for sport also. I understand the point that a gun is manufactured for killing (I won’t point out that you can kill someone with a tennis racquet, guess I just did.), but there are other sports that started with killing. Archery for one, and how many of us have tried our hands at a boomerang? Shooting is in the Olympics. It’s a sport.
Guns just make it easier for people to commit crime and kill.
Love those magazines.
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Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 605
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 9:50 am: | |
When murders via boomerang, bow and arrow, and tennis racquets start to rival gun deaths, we can legislate about them. In the meantime, I would rather see you have less fun if it means keeping assault rifles and 50-clip automatics out of the hands of criminals. |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1184
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 10:05 am: | |
I agree that we should keep them away from criminals. I just don’t feel banning them is the way to do it. The guns are already out there and always will be. My uncle has a Musket from the revolutionary war. The controls need to be in place to track the guns and who owns them.
I would not be opposed to having to register my gun every year.
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2355
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 10:54 am: | |
MF -- I have no doubt that NY cops want to extend gun control. I'd assume those in most of the blue states would as well.
Why not amend the constitution? Or just pretend there isn't a 2nd Amendment, as we have with the 1st. |
court07040
Citizen
Username: Court07040
Post Number: 140
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 11:36 am: | |
I agree with Brett. Guns are fun, just like football, golf, etc. Personally, I own a shotgun and a hunting rifle which I store at my parents house since a) I hardly ever use them and b) I don't want somebody to break into my house and steal them (maplewood crime rate MUCH higher than parents' town).
My brother lives in Michigan and he owns a small arsenal because there's a lot more places to use them out there (he also owns a $1,500 gun safe where he keeps them locked up safe and sound).
If I lived in Michigan, I'd probably have more guns, too. I just get tired of all the stereotypes about gun owners being wackos... (then again, maybe my wife should be the judge of that one)
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Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 205
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 11:37 am: | |
Banning stuff rarely works...especially stuff in the Bill of Rights. My problem is with people who think that background checks and trigger locks amount to a ban.
If you want to buy a bazooka at a gun show, I want your name and address. If you can't wait three days for your bazooka while we make sure you're not in al Qaeda, you have a serious problem. |
Mark Fuhrman
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 607
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 11:37 am: | |
Are you implying that police officers in Red states do not care about assault weapons? Or are they somehow different than police in Blue states?
And I do not believe the 2nd Amendment gives anyone a right to carry an assault rifle or an automatic pistol, so I do not see a need to amend the constitution. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 338
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 11:38 am: | |
"But I want to kill him now. If I wait a week, I may not still want to kill him."
Homer Simpson |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1186
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 11:48 am: | |
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I'm not in a well regulated Militia. so the 2nd Amendment does not count.
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