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     JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2004 |
"It must be pretty sad being a democrat these days, sitting at home hoping bad things happen to our troops so your robotic spineless candidate can win...." You are sick to think that. I didn't want our troops there in the first place. "and once in the office, raise our taxes and give terrorist reason to smile." Do you make more than $200,000 per year? and why are the torrorists going to smile again? Did you forget that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch? | ||
| singlemalt Citizen Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 526 Registered: 12-2001 |
I didn't want our troops there in the first place. John Kerry did. | ||
| JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2004 |
ok malt... What part of my post did it say John Kerry didn't? I said I DIDN'T! Now if you want to get into John Kerry, we can do that too. John Kerry voted for the use of force after we exhausted the other options and it was clear that Iraq was a threat to our national security. That is the correct vote. A vote against it and all of you people would have been saying "He voted against protecting our national security" Either way, you would jump all over him. I do not support this war, I think it was the wrong decision not to give the weapons inspectors the time that they asked for. I think War should be our last option and it clearly wasn't. I blame the Bush administration, so my vote will go against them. | ||
| singlemalt Citizen Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 528 Registered: 12-2001 |
I am just pointing out that the candidate you support is on the record 9 months ago as being fully on board to go to war with Iraq. Don't take my word for it, listen to John Kerry: http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/092004v2.wmv Either way, you would jump all over him. I'm all over him because he takes both sides of the issue. He can't have it both ways. He feels making a political issue out of the war is his best chance to win and I say he needs to stand behind his record on the issue. | ||
| JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2004 |
malt, Saddam was a horrible person. I do not want to take away from that fact. The world is better off without him in power. I think we can all agree on that. My point is that War should have been the last possible option, and it clearly was not. We should have gone after Iraq to make sure that they were not capable of the things we all assumed that they were still capable of. This is why the UN inspectors were there. If the UN inspectors were able to finish what they started, if they were granted the amount of time requested, we would have went into a war with the support of the UN, and the rest of the world. I am not saying we can only act if approved by the UN, but I do not think that the weapons inspectors were unreasonable when they asked for a few more months of inspections. Now, I can blame the 77 Senators that voted for the use of force after "diplomatic options have been exhausted" Or I can blame the administration who actually sent the troops ignoring the UN's request. | ||
| Ronald Allan Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 56 Registered: 9-2004 |
The bottom line is this. Kerry has demonstrated that if given the opportunity to lead he will ask Paris what to do. | ||
| Guy Citizen Username: Vandalay Post Number: 150 Registered: 8-2004  |
JMF it wasn't about giving the inspectors more time, it was about Saddam not complying fully. Bush did not wantto enter into a cat and mouse game with Saddam and inspectors again. The line from 1441 " Comply fully or face serious cosnsequences" not " let the inspectors back in and continue to deceive them. | ||
| singlemalt Citizen Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 530 Registered: 12-2001 |
JMF, I respect and understand your position on the war and I have no desire to try and make you understand my point of view. All I am trying to expose is that we really don't know who John Kerry is or how he really feels on any issues - especially the war in Iraq. 9 months ago he told Tim Russert that removing Saddam was important to the national security of the United States and the Middle East. Last month he answered President Bush's challenge and said that knowing everything that he knows now, he would vote again to go to war. Then this week, he does a complete about face and questions why we are even in Iraq. He is saying whatever he thinks is necessary to get elected and unfortunately, his flip flops, lack of campaign organization, lack of message and his record are going to cost him the election. | ||
| JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2004 |
Guy, It was a threat to let him know we were serious. The inepectors were there for the forst time since 98 and felt that they were making progress, they asked for more time. That is not quite cat and mouse. I will agree that Saddam was not fully compliant, but we could have worked to avaoid a war that as it stands right now, we traded over 1000 lives for Saddam and lost the support of the rest of the world that we had gained after 9/11. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 113 Registered: 7-2004 |
This Ronald guy is Strawberry. Once again you misrepresent yourself and your positions and have the nerve to attack Kerry for doing the same. Wasn't that you who threatened the moderators of this board? I wonder if your schizophrenia is dangerous, boardering on harassment??? | ||
| JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2004 |
malt, you left out the rest of why Kerry would still have voted that way. "I'll answer it directly. Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it is the right authority for a president to have but I would have used that authority effectively." He voted correctly. "Why did we rush to war without a plan to win the peace? Why did you rush to war on faulty intelligence and not do the hard work necessary to give America the truth?" "Why did he mislead America about how he would go to war. Why has he not brought other countries to the table in order to support American troops in the way they deserve it and relieve the pressure on the American people?" | ||
| singlemalt Citizen Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 531 Registered: 12-2001 |
You obvuiusly have not bothered to listen to the link I posted above. John Kerry makes the case for why Bush went to war against Iraq! It's his own words - no spin, no rhetoric, no partisan BS web sites. It is John Kerry in his own words making the case for going to war with Iraq. Listen to it, please! http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/092004v2.wmv | ||
| Ronald Allan Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2004 |
Robert Livingston, I'm not Strawberry but you sure seem desperate to get his attention. | ||
| JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2004 |
malt, I did listen to it, and no where in there does he make a case why Bush started a war against Iraq. He makes a case that Saddam is a horrible person and we are better off with him captured. Bush started this war based on Weapons of Mass destruction. Not Saddam being a horrible leader. | ||
| JMF Citizen Username: Jmf Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2004 |
Ronald, You may or may not be strawberry, but Robert was right that you "misrepresent yourself and your positions and have the nerve to attack Kerry for doing the same." You posts are CLEARLY partisan while you pretend that you were undecided | ||
| Duncan Real Name Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 2978 Registered: 12-2001  |
thats a game sylad plays too. You get used to it after a while and its actually rather pathetic | ||
| Ronald Allan Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 58 Registered: 9-2004 |
I changed my position because of people like singlemalt & Guy.. | ||
| Sylad Citizen Username: Sylad Post Number: 806 Registered: 6-2002 |
Undecided, I said I was open to listen to Kerry and if I ever decided to vote for Kerry I would post it. | ||
| singlemalt Citizen Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 533 Registered: 12-2001 |
Bush started this war based on Weapons of Mass destruction. Not Saddam being a horrible leader. YES! And Kerry agreed! From Kerry's own words in the video you claim to have viewed: "This is a man who has used weapons of mass destruction, unlike other people on this Earth today, not only against other people but against his own people. This is a man who tried to assassinate a former president of the United States, a man who lobbed 36 missiles into Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East, a man who is so capable of miscalculation that he even brought this war on himself. This is a man who, if he was left uncaptured, would have continued to be able to organize the Ba'athists. He would have continued to terrorize the people, just in their minds, because of 30 years of terror in Iraq." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 1/11/04) | ||
| singlemalt Citizen Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 534 Registered: 12-2001 |
And I changed my mind because of people like Tulip.  By the way, my thoughts and prayers are with Tulip as her family recovers from the floods that hit her home during the rains in the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan. |
