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Pizzaz
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Post Number: 940
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 10:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you, Singlemalt for the reminder. I, too, wish Tulip and her family well during their recovery from Hurricane Ivan.
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Foj
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 10:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheney and Rummy planned this stuff back in 98--to me ==that is the point.
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JMF
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 10:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I changed my position because of people like singlemalt & Guy.."

riiiigggghhhhttt....
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JMF
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"From Kerry's own words in the video you claim to have viewed: "

What? do you think I am lying about watching it?

Again, quote where he says in that video that states why Bush went to war.

He is stating why Saddam was a horrible person, why we are better off without him, and why it would be dificult to defeat the president in the election because we captured him.
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singlemalt
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Post Number: 536
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"This is a man who has used weapons of mass destruction, unlike other people on this Earth today, not only against other people but against his own people. This is a man who tried to assassinate a former president of the United States, a man who lobbed 36 missiles into Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East, a man who is so capable of miscalculation that he even brought this war on himself. This is a man who, if he was left uncaptured, would have continued to be able to organize the Ba'athists. He would have continued to terrorize the people, just in their minds, because of 30 years of terror in Iraq." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 1/11/04)
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JMF
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

malt, you are overlooking the fact the Kerry was talking about what has happened in the past. Bush went to war based on CURRENT WMD's...
Not because he would organize the Ba'athists, not because he would have continued to terrorize his people, but because...and this is from Bush's mouth.

"Under Resolutions 678 and 687 -- both still in effect -- the United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a question of authority, it is a question of will."

Look, I am against the war.. me... not John Kerry.
I agree with everyone when you say Saddam was a horrible person, but I do not agree with another quote by Bush...

"Should Saddam Hussein choose confrontation, the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war"
I don't think that happened.
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 842
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe this will convince them:

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Ukealalio
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Post Number: 1200
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A Kerry/Edwards memo dated January 15th. Nice try Mike, around as legitimate as your leaders, "honorable discharge".
ROFLMAO
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 843
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Theres a few more anacronistic errors in there too.

But it must be real, I got them from Dan Rather!

An UNIMPEACHABLE SOURCE!
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Ukealalio
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Post Number: 1201
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike you seem like a smart guy (I don't agree with your politics but thats what makes a ballgame) but your blind devotion to DUMBYA is having a negative effect on your postings. At least when people allegedly accuse Democrats of producing false documents, the documents are not this sloppy and obvious.
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singlemalt
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Username: Singlemalt

Post Number: 539
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At least when people allegedly accuse Democrats of producing false documents, the documents are not this sloppy and obvious.

Yes, they are.
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Guy
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Username: Vandalay

Post Number: 151
Registered: 8-2004


Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In case you missed it, Mike is joking.
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singlemalt
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Post Number: 540
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aw, c'mon Guy! That bait was out there and you ruined it.
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 844
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Obvious yes, but its not sloppy at all.
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Guy
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Username: Vandalay

Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2004


Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, Malt, I ruined the joke.
More good work, Mike.
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JMF
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 1:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"At least when people allegedly accuse Democrats of producing false documents, the documents are not this sloppy and obvious.

Yes, they are."

I am glad we agree on something malt.
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Ukealalio
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Post Number: 1202
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK I'll take this one I looked at the header and didn't read the letter, shame on me.
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tulip
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Username: Braveheart

Post Number: 1301
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 6:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Singlemalt and Pizzaz.
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Sylad
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Post Number: 811
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guess Who's a GOP Booster?
The CEO of CBS's parent company endorses President Bush.

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

From The Asian Wall Street Journal

With the scandal at CBS still festering, questions are being raised about whether a felony was committed when the network broadcast apparently forged memos in an attempt to discredit George W. Bush. Yesterday, the chairman of CBS's parent company chose Hong Kong as a place to drop a little bomb. Sumner Redstone, who calls himself a "liberal Democrat," said he's supporting President Bush.

The chairman of the entertainment giant Viacom said the reason was simple: Republican values are what U.S. companies need. Speaking to some of America's and Asia's top executives gathered for Forbes magazine's annual Global CEO Conference, Mr. Redstone declared: "I look at the election from what's good for Viacom. I vote for what's good for Viacom. I vote, today, Viacom.

"I don't want to denigrate Kerry," he went on, "but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people. . . . But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company."

Sharing the stage with Mr. Redstone was Steve Forbes, CEO, president and editor in chief of Forbes and a former Republican presidential aspirant, who quipped: "Obviously you're a very enlightened CEO."

Mr. Redstone's unexpected declaration came at a time when an unwelcome spotlight is directed at him and his board because of the CBS airing of what everyone now believes was a fake memo alleging that Mr. Bush shirked his duties three decades ago in the Texas Air National Guard. On Tuesday, Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie alleged a leftist bias at Viacom. While it was well known that Mary Mapes, the producer who did most of the reporting on the memos, is a liberal, and that anchorman Dan Rather, has always been much tougher on Republicans, the Viacom board had heretofore remained in the background.
Mr. Gillespie said, "This demonstrates a serious lack of judgment separate and apart from the lack of judgment demonstrated in running a report based on discredited documents. Did this producer's own political viewpoint cloud her judgment? Is CBS News's decision to neither suspend nor release the producer in question a result of judgment clouded by Viacom and CBS owner Sumner Redstone's role as a Kerry fundraiser, or Viacom President Tom Freston's public support of John Kerry for President?"

Mr. Redstone's office immediately went into overdrive, denying on Wednesday that he's a raised funds for the Democratic presidential nominee. Then came yesterday's "I vote Republican" vow in Hong Kong.

It was all the more surprising because the Boston-born Mr. Redstone was co-chairman of Edmund Muskie's presidential campaign in 1972. He's also a close friend of the other Massachusetts senator, Ted Kennedy. Monday's New York Sun, quoting the Federal Election Commission, said that since 1998 Mr. Redstone had given $50,000 to the Democratic Party. He's also donated the maximum $2,000 to the Kerry campaign, after supporting Al Gore in 2000.

In his book, "A Passion to Win," Mr. Redstone wrote, "From my early days I have considered myself a liberal Democrat. . . . I had no respect for Nixon. . . . My efforts on Senator Muskie's behalf apparently landed me on Nixon's notorious 'enemies list.' I took that as a badge of honor."
Of his 13-member board, two are former cabinet members for Democratic presidents. It is this board that will ponder what to do about the Rather-Mapes-CBS mess. The bombshell from Hong Kong will not come as welcome news to those responsible for "memogate."

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cjc
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Post Number: 2476
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 6:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Burkett in the Star Telegram said that Joe Lockhart tried to convince him to turn over the documents. Lockhart says he didn't discuss the documents with Burkett.

The only reason Burkett got to call Lockhart was because of the documents. Burkett really, really wanted to destroy Bush, so when he finally gets on with the head guy of the Kerry campaign, do you THINK he wouldn't bring up his little prized documents?

Shall we all believe Lockhart? Is he lying? What do Kerry supporters think?

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