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ashear
Citizen
Username: Ashear
Post Number: 1360
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 10:37 am: |     |
I was a bit surprised to find that no one had mentioned the devestating article in yesterday's times showing that the administration knowingly misled the country and the UN about the metal tubes that were the only solid evidence that Sadam had a nuke program. In a sane country this would make Bush reelection impossible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/international/middleeast/03tube.html |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 163
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 10:47 am: | |
After the horrific debate, where Bush showed an embarrasing level of knowledge and reality, his administration is no longer going to get a pass on stuff like this. Over the next month, Bush's lies will get more exposure until the country realizes we have no other choice but to fire him. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 2903
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 11:53 am: | |
Funny how they (the administration) say that the intelligence community is a mess so as not to take blame for 9/11, but then they're willing to go with the intelligence community's assessment that said the tubes were for Saddam's nuke program. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 167
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:02 pm: | |
Rice in 2002: "[The tubes were] only really suited for nuclear weapons programs."
Condi in 2004 (yesterday): "We were all unhappy that the intelligence was not as good as we had thought that it was."
LIARS! They're all a bunch of liars. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 3987
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:05 pm: | |
Maybe they weren't lying and were just incompetent. Take your pick. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 168
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:12 pm: | |
Ha!
Either way, this administration is unraveling. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2518
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:17 pm: | |
What was new in that NY Times story? That there were questions about the intelligence or that the tubes intelligence didn't pan out? They were wrong on the aluminum tubes. Were their nuclear programs in Iraq? Yes. Were they active at the time? No. It's a matter of betting on the UN and it's inspectors, or Saddam. We bet Saddam would win that fight, and it's best to take him out. I include Kerry in that position back then. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 170
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:21 pm: | |
They lied to us about stockpiles of WMD. They lied to us about Saddam/Bin Ladin links. They lied to us about Saddam's immediate nuclear capability. They lied to us about yellowcake. They're still lying to us, and trying to pass the blame when they're not.
Either that or they're imcompetent, right? |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 3991
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:22 pm: | |
We've taken Saddam out now, so the question of how else that bet would have played out is now moot.
If we are too arrogant to say "oops," we still should ask why we should stay there. |
ashear
Citizen
Username: Ashear
Post Number: 1362
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:49 pm: | |
CJC - did you read the article. It makes clear that the actual experts, the ones who know about nukes, had little or no doubt that the tubes were not for a nuke program. This was a key piece of evidence since, as the article notes, inspectors and the intel agencies, had previously concluded that the Iraqi nuke program was defunked. They were told this was bad intell and used it anyway. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2525
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 1:05 pm: | |
"And Pakistan isn't nuclear, is it Madame Albright? Wait! What was that!"
They didn't lie on terrorist links, they didn't lie on yellowcake as the Brits still stand by their reporting out of Africa (see the Lord Butler commission's review), and they were wrong on Saddam's level of nuclear capability which is entirely different than lying. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4000
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 1:19 pm: | |
Their error is no more comforting to me than a lie would have been. |
Albatross
Citizen
Username: Albatross
Post Number: 41
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 1:43 pm: | |
Discrepancies and dissenting viewpoints within the intellegence community were never addressed to the U.N. or to the American people. The administration held up the C.I.A. reports over the reports of energy and nuclear experts, for whom this was their area of expertise.
The tubes were not suited for nuclear weapons programs. They were being used for other purposes as the U.N. inspectors ascertained. The administration had access to the reports of the Energy Department. Either they ignored the reports, or were too stupid (yes, stupid) to ask EXPERTS.
And a lie of omission is still a lie. |
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