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Jhcmom
Citizen
Username: Jhcmom
Post Number: 37
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:05 am: |     |
Did anyone see this ad on back page of Friday's Escapes section?
SOUTH ORANGE AREA/7 Oaks
No Kids or Kids in Private School? This is for you!
Spectacular 1900's Victorian Estate
Walk to NY trains (less than 30 min midtown) 7 bdrms
9 fpls, 3.5 bths, 11 stained glass windows, inlaw apt., grnhse,
5,000 sq ft. living, 1+ acre, ingrnd pool, 4 tier redwood deck, walk to red clay tennis club, plus other features, $679,000,
This is obvious school bashing!
1st of all, why limit your sale to only those without kids or kids in Private School? 2nd of all, either this is missing a "1" before the price or it is missing a roof! |
cody
Citizen
Username: Cody
Post Number: 917
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:25 am: | |
There are some beautiful, large homes (many with stained-glass features) in the section of East Orange just before South Orange. I can't recall exactly what the name of the neighborhood is, but I was very impressed by the size and details of those homes when we drove by them a while ago.
Maybe the home is in East Orange, not even in South Orange. It does say "South Orange Area", not "South Orange". I don't like the put-down of whatever local schools are involved, but it may not be directed at our school system. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 102
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:26 am: | |
Seven Oaks isn't IN South Orange. It's in East Orange. Thus the truthful, but perhaps misleading use of "South Orange Area". Still I'm interested to know where in the Seven Oaks area this "Estate" is. As a South Orange homeowner, I'd like the East Orange boarder to benefit from the real estate boom. As for the East Orange schools... |
tjohn
Supporter
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4016
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:41 am: | |
Homes in East Orange and Orange are a relatively good value. The only catch is that you will probably want to send your children to private schools. |
Suzanne Ng
Citizen
Username: Suzanneng
Post Number: 614
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 10:03 am: | |
And why would someone with NO KIDS want a 7 bedroom home?
Which agency is listing the home? A check on their website should determine which town the home is in? |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 1514
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 12:17 pm: | |
The only catch is that you will probably want to send your children to private schools.
why on earth would anyone want to do this?!?! so they can pay for private school and be taxed to pay for other peoples kids to go to school? |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10535
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 12:30 pm: | |
Heck, some people just like a lot of space, others entertain a lot and a third group runs high end cat houses. 
Libbie, I doubt the taxes in East Orange are anything to right home about. |
Ace789nj
Citizen
Username: Ace789nj
Post Number: 235
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 12:38 pm: | |
Seven Oaks is a section of Orange off of Berkley |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 103
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 1:06 pm: | |
Ace789nj,
I stand corrected. Seven Oaks is in Orange not East Orange. But, it is also not South Orange. I agree, though, weird real estate ad.
J.B. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 1516
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 2:12 pm: | |
Libbie, I doubt the taxes in East Orange are anything to right home about.
they are all worthy of writing home about |
finnegan
Supporter
Username: Finnegan
Post Number: 284
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 2:53 pm: | |
Main Features
List Price: $649,000
Listing Number: 2232804
ORANGE CITY, NJ 07050 Property Type: Residential
Bedrooms: 7
Full Baths: 4
Half Baths: 2
Status: Active
Listing Description
GREAT CENTER HALL COLONIAL W/ LARGE ROOMS SET ON AN ACRE PLUS LOT, WONDERFUL HOME FOR ENTERTAINING! CROWN MOLDING THRU-OUT, HARDWOOD FLOORS, HIGH CEILINGS, FINISHED BASEMENT W/ SAUNA, INGROUND POOL,
This is probably not the same as the listed house, because it doesn't look like a "Victorian Estate," but the other info is similar.
It's listed with Re-Max: http://tinyurl.com/dqycj
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Camnol
Citizen
Username: Camnol
Post Number: 219
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 3:08 pm: | |
The gsmls.com shows the taxes for the above house as $13,463. Couldn't find a listing in Orange that sounded like the 7 Oaks victorian. |
Suzanne Ng
Citizen
Username: Suzanneng
Post Number: 615
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 6:01 pm: | |
On www.realtor.com, I found the listing that finnegan mentioned above... sounds like the same house. The virtual tour gives the address as 287 Tremont Avenue, Orange. Is that the Seven Oaks section?
http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=5&locallnk=yes&frm=byzip&mn bed=0&mnbath=0&mnprice=550000&mxprice=99999999&js=off&pgnum=1&fid=so&stype=&mnsq ft=&mls=xmls&areaid=07050&poe=realtor&zp=07050&sbint=&vtsort=&sorttype=&typ=1&ty p=2&typ=4&x=36&y=11&sid=06171E3103D3C&snumxlid=1054629269&lnksrc=00003
not sure if this huge link will work... if it does, click on Virtual tour on the left... |
Suzanne Ng
Citizen
Username: Suzanneng
Post Number: 616
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 6:03 pm: | |
finnegan's right, it is likely not the same house... although the lot size and inclusion of an inground pool make it sound similar. |
Copperfield
Citizen
Username: Copperfield
Post Number: 249
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 10:36 am: | |
Not sure what the beef is Suzanne.
The realtor is being realistic. Perhaps not the smartest move from a marketiing perspective to start off with a negative. But it's a realistic comment.
Take a drive through the 7 Oaks section of Orange. It's fairly identical to the Montrose section of South Orange. Beautiful old houses.
But the Orange school system would scare off anyone with the $649K to buy that house.
I'm guessing that most of the kids in the Seven Oaks section go to private school and so that's who the realtor is appealing to- someone who wants a big old house for not a lot of money and who is not concerned about the state of the local public school system.
From what I've learned (on the history board here at MOL, actually) back in the 1920s and 30s, both Orange and East Orange had areas with large beautiful houses that were home to very wealthy families. Many of the East Orange houses, which were around Harrison Street, have been subdivided into apartments, and others were knocked down when the Garden State and Rte 280 came in. But the Seven Oaks section has remained well-kept. |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 68
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 5:27 pm: | |
There are beautiful old houses there but the neighborhood is quite dicey. When you close a window in the home it will probably be on somebody's fingers. |
Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 267
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 8:45 pm: | |
Bettyd: Do you live in the Seven Oaks section or know of people who do? Just curious. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 144
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 11:13 pm: | |
She goes there to steal stuff. Obviously. |
Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 270
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 4:41 am: | |
She's the one with the finger bandages. |
Jennifer
Citizen
Username: Jkohan
Post Number: 51
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 8:53 am: | |
If the house in question was in fact listed with ReMax, they should know better--you could be fined and sent to Real Estate Jail for wording like that. Not too long ago, a reputable broker did something similar, was sued by the school district and the broker paid in spades including but not limited to running full page ads for a LONG TIME touting the benefits of the area and school district. |
kmk
Supporter
Username: Kmk
Post Number: 962
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 9:44 am: | |
There is nothing illegal about the phrase "SOUTH ORANGE AREA".
I think it was a brilliant marketing move! They got the attention of the exact the audience they wanted to appeal to.
The house is for sale by owner BTW. |
Jennifer
Citizen
Username: Jkohan
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 9:51 am: | |
You are right there is nothing illegal about "South Orange Area"...but the phrases for perfect for those without children ("No Kids") DOES violate fair housing laws. |
kmk
Supporter
Username: Kmk
Post Number: 964
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 10:06 am: | |
Huh?
What about a yard for a dog? A Mother-in-law apartment for a mother-in-law? A studio apartment for a student?
They answered the "question" about the local school district before it was asked.
Is it unfair (or illegal) to suggest who would be ideally suited to a property?
If so ...that is taking fair housing laws to the extreme. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10594
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 10:28 am: | |
There is an area of New Providence called, I believe 7 Oaks, that has a Summit post office address. The realtors almost always list houses there in the Summit listings in the Star Ledger.
A Realtor friend told us that her firm's legal beagles no longer let them include phrases such as "five minute walk to station" or even "walk to station" because they are afraid someone who is disabled will take offense. Hard to believe, but true.
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Jennifer
Citizen
Username: Jkohan
Post Number: 53
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 10:30 am: | |
kmk--yup--familial status is protected under Fair Housing. I copied it below. Also-- I did't mean to imply that the alluded comment about the school district was illegal--just wrong--as evidenced by the lawsuit I mentioned. The RE Commission has guidelines as to what you can and cannot say in an ad for real estate for us agents--and along with "walk to town, train, etc.." anything that says something like "perfect for young family with children" or as indicated above "no children" is a big no-no in their eyes. I know that it's sounds extreme and you see it ALL the time..but it's not allowed. But a FSBO is apparently exempt from some of these rules.
Just for kicks--I'm trying to find the ad writing guidelines....
What is the Fair Housing Act?
The Fair Housing Act prohibits discrimination in housing because of:
race or color
national origin
religion
sex
familial status (including children under the age of 18 living with parents or legal custodians; pregnant women and people securing custody of children under 18)
handicap (disability)
The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In some circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family housing sold or rented without the use of a broker and housing operated by organizations or private clubs that limit occupancy to members.
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kmk
Supporter
Username: Kmk
Post Number: 966
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 11:42 am: | |
Geesh...Talk about making it difficult to sell something!
"House for sale, square with rooms, in a town, on a street....figure out if it suits your needs or not yourself." |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 69
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 12:45 pm: | |
We're friendly with some higher ups in the police dept. A lot of break ins in the area. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12411
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 4:53 pm: | |
I took "no kids or kids in private school?" to mean "do you have either no kids in private school or kids in private school?" as if having kids who are out of private school is a good thing.
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Mplwdladee
Citizen
Username: Mplwdladee
Post Number: 140
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:18 am: | |
I just moved to 7 oaks from mplwd. The school for this area is not terrible but not terrific from what I hear. Kindergardners there (fullday) are learning the same things as the kids in mplwd who only go for 2 hours. 3 year olds attend preschool for free with certified teachers. (full day)
Taxes are high but not as high as m/so you get more house for the $$. and yes its border south orange the house behind me is in south orange. The jitney is free. train station parking is 2.50 as opposed to 3 bucks and you can still find a place to park at 9am in the morning.(its cheaper if you buy annual parking permit also) I sold my small house in maplewood and bought a house double its size in 7 oaks for a few bucks more. I only wish i had discovered the area 7 years ago when i didnt have kids.
The house thats listed is gorgeous. I wanted to buy it but was already commited to another. It needs a little updating for my taste but is large on a great street. the neighborhood is becoming more diverse... meaning more caucasion people are moving in. |
Hamandeggs
Citizen
Username: Hamandeggs
Post Number: 181
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:25 am: | |
I guess you've become a 7Oaksladee then! |
Mplwdladee
Citizen
Username: Mplwdladee
Post Number: 141
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 3:41 pm: | |
hard to say that hamandeggs ive been mplwdladee for 7 years..i love mplwd too maybe ill update my name to mplwd7oaksladee...
that sure is a long a*#s name tho. (smile) but you'll still be hearing from me on this board. |
Abner Aliger
Citizen
Username: Vichy
Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:51 am: | |
Quite familiar with the "7 Oaks Area" and what really gets me is the phrase "walk to train" Just try it especially when the weather gets a bit warmer! Remember not long ago when 377 S. Harrison St in close by EAST Orange advertised its location as "Harrison Park, NJ" for fear of mentioning East Orange. Buyer Beware! |
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