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Fight the power
Citizen
Username: Tookiew
Post Number: 69
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |     |
Have you seen recent pictures? I think they were the same person. Which explains the "coincidental" deaths. |
slipknot (slippy)
Citizen
Username: Zotts
Post Number: 244
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 12:19 am: | |
Pot, hello this is kettle.
Are you black? |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2992
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:02 am: | |
You know, I did notice right away, but did not want to point it out--seemed somewhat demeaning to both their great memories to make fun of it. |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 72
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 5:18 pm: | |
Betty Friedan died? How could they tell? |
Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1052
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 5:35 pm: | |
Betty Friedan was a great woman, whose book changed the lives of a lot of women of my generation, and enabled women of the next generation (30's to 40's) to have the same aspirations and hopes as their brothers. Your "jokes" are tasteless and cruel, and show how ignorant you are. |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 78
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 5:44 pm: | |
She was a great woman. My joke was tasteless and cruel, but she did have to sneak up on a glass of water. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3180
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 6:07 pm: | |
lizziecat; Obviously, these people did not have their lives changed in the way some of us did by Betty Friedan. My beloved mother, BA Radcliffe, MSW Columbia School of Social Work, worked all of her life for the betterment of young, the elderly, retirees, the mentally ill, going into Greystone and moving patients out to halfway houses so they could spend the last days of the lives in freedom. My mother was so excited about the feminist movement, as most of her contemporaries and classmates at Radcliffe were lovie dovie fifties housewives who stayed home and baked cookies for their loafer-clad, golf playing husbands. When she joined the Red Cross in World War II, and cared for GIs in the subways of London during the Blitz, she discovered that she had something to offer outside of the kitchen and the home. She raised my sister and me with care, love and tenderness, but she fought like hell for women to have lives and careers of their own. Any woman NOT listening in the 1960s had to have been either deaf, or dead. Nowadays, the women who sat back in the sixties seem so happy that this culture we have come up against has exonerated them, the Phyllis Shafly contingent is winning out over the feminist movement. What a shame!!
Anyway, I avoided them by living in a working class neighborhood were most women work because they have to. At least there's no neurotic guilt about going to work, just maybe some envy of women who get to stay at home.
It's Friedan who reminds us that we are making a contribution to the betterment of our civilization, other impulses of the contemporary culture, notwithstanding.
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bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 80
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 6:24 pm: | |
Lizziecat: If you want to see some of our truly tastless and cruel jokes, check out the thread in South Orange Specific about the body parts found in the Reservation. Tasteless and cruel? Perhaps. Funny? Definitely! You can tell it's Friday. |
Maplefan
Citizen
Username: Maplefan
Post Number: 45
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:24 am: | |
Tulip...thanks for your words about your mom and Betty Friedan. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3188
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:37 am: | |
Maplefan:
My greatest pleasure. |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 970
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:05 am: | |
What a gift, Tulip, to be able to remeber your mother and a contemprary freedom fighter in the same paragraph.
There was an interesting discussion of Betty Friedan on WNYC last night... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3191
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:25 pm: | |
Thanks, doulamomma,
My mother was a gift to me, and to many others, and Friedan was one of her greatest inspirations. Eleanor Roosevelt (whom she met at a coal mine, with coal miners) was another.
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doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 976
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:41 pm: | |
Tulip - cool - sounds like your mom had a very interesting life...have you ever considered writing her story? You could publish it yourself & at least give it to family members others who would appreciate it...or perhaps have someone interview you talking about her for the oral history project, StoryCorps & have it be part of the Library Of Congress http://storycorps.net/ |
Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1053
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:19 pm: | |
Bettyd;
You need to grow up.
Tulip;
Thank you for sharing your memories of your mother. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3192
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:49 pm: | |
doulamomma:
Yes, and I have lots of letters she mailed home during WWII. Interesting you should mention the oral history project. She took oral histories from the older Americans she knew.
I have thought of it.
You make me proud and happy.
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bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 83
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:40 pm: | |
Lizziecat: You need to lighten up. I used to be a grown up, but now I'm a lot younger. |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1666
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 1:28 am: | |
Tulip -
Your mother sounds like a true feminist, before the word feminist defined what she was living and championing.
Bettyd - you don't get it - making "fun" of women who look like average women (average encompassing myriad body types, faces, hair, etc) isn't funny, it's just pathetic.
You didn't say that Al Lewis had to "sneak up on a glass of water".
Of course not, it's acceptable for men to age normally, but when a woman ages and doesn't fight it every step of the way, she's open to ridicule.
Sad - particularly sad from a woman who has doubtless benefited from Betty Friedan's inspirational work to pave the way for women who want to live and think fully.
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