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AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1274
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:15 pm: | 
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Dave, can you please explain to me and all of the MOL users what chain of events lead to you moving some of the threads I (and others) created, into sections of the site I didn't want or intend for them to reside in (namely the Political Soapbox section)?
Did someone complain to you? I'm always curious to know how these things work. If no one spoke to you about the matter and you came up with the idea yourself, I would like to suggest that you let people know what your intentions and plans are BEFORE you make the changes. That way the entire board can discuss the matter and you can make an educated decision on what is best for users of the board. An explanation and clarification on why you made the change might be useful and what is considered "political" would be good to hear from your lips since you are the one who decides what gets moved because I honestly dont know what is political or not. As I already pointed out in the other thread anything can be politicized. What happens when someone HIJACKS someone elses non-political threads and makes them political and half the thread is acceptable and the half isn't? Will you still move it into the Politics section? Clarification please. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8846
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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Good question. I think the only way it can be judged is by the way it begins. So if a topic begins about the guy who cut someone off in his giant SUV on Maplewood Avenue spins into complaints about Bush's energy policy it would probably stay where it landed. If someone began a topic about Bush's energy policy then it should be in the politics area. |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1177
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:34 pm: |
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1964, Suprem Court Justice Potter Stewart:
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . but I know it when I see it . . . " |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8848
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:37 pm: |
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Or I could create:
Soapbox 1: "moderately argued topics by reasonable people"
Soapbox 2: "really angry people who will never change their minds on a range of topics"
Soapbox 3: "[explative deleted] for [explative deleted] writing about [explative deleted]" |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6879
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:40 pm: |
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Cool! Dave's post could start a game called "Who Would Be Where"?
Would anyone be included in Soapbox 1? I can sure think of lots for Soapbox 2... |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5152
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:41 pm: |
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New MOL categories -
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AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1278
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:43 pm: |
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Any chance you can come up with some method of showing or alerting people when a thread will be moved? I have A VERY hard time finding things on this board as is. Let alone when things magically get deleted or moved with no notification.
Also any chance you are going to give a history on why the changes were instituted in the first place? |
Buzzsaw
Citizen
Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4092
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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I'm not sure, but this was the last chart I got from the main office. Dave is this still valid? |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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Dave,
Do these things with all the extra free time you must have - this is a democracy, afterall.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8849
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 2:07 pm: |
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Buzzsaw, that is accurate with a minor correction:
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AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1279
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:00 pm: |
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Quote:So if a topic begins about the guy who cut someone off in his giant SUV on Maplewood Avenue spins into complaints about Bush's energy policy it would probably stay where it landed.
Dave, so someone could start a thread and post about something tame, and then later INTENTIONALLY SPIN IT TOWARDS POLITICS. Or worse still, someone like Libertarian can march his butt all across MOL into every thread and steer the conversation towards politics. An example might be a thread about Nannies and Libertarian can start talking about how he hates having to pay taxes for other people's kid's education (which is not really a related reply except in his mind). I see this happen all the time by lots of people. This would be the hijack approach often used on MOL. Or a topic might not seem political to the thread's originator but might be to everyone else. And worse still would be the thread that isn't political at all but some thin skinned weiny sends an whiny pathetic email to the administrator mentioning how the thead offends them to get it moved. That is always an option right???? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12815
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:04 pm: |
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The word political is an adjective, which means that whether a topic is political can be a subjective judgement call. The fact is that these judgement calls are made by the two moderators, who have opinions, and all other imperfect human beings do, too. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to try to codify the policies or practices as they appear to us.
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AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1280
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:11 pm: |
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Doulamomma, well he had enough time to listen to people complain about all the misplaced political threads. He also has the time to move these threads around. I'm sorry but I'm not sure there was even a problem that needed to be fixed. With the news system (with threads moving mysteriously) there is NOW a problem that needs to be fixed. If he wants there to be less confusion and for people to comply to his request about where we need to post things then he needs to clarify the situation. In My Opinion.
This is but one solution that the admin came up with to solve this big problem of misplaced threads. There were others that he could have been chosen and presumably can still be instituted. I for one would have preferred if the people who were so inconvenienced by the rampant misplacement of Political threads would have just handled the situation themselves, with a post or two rather than complaining to the admin to have their personal needs satisfied. I would also have preferred if the Administrator ignored the squeaky wheel, but it they really just couldn't to have just posted a reminder to the users to try their hardest to post appropriately and put Political themed posts in the correct location. I would have preferred if the users were invited to have a discussion on the matter before the Administrator took things into his own hands. I would prefer that if changes need to be made, that the users know what those changes are specifically. I'm still uncertain on this issue to be honest. |
AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1281
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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So Tom, how do you think it should be handled? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12819
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:17 pm: |
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My answer to that question is so irrelevant that I haven't even thought about it. The fact is, there will always people who are dissatisfied with Dave and Jamie's judgements, even though they have the best of intentions. In someone's eyes, they are always making a mistake.
When they do something I wouldn't have done, I give it half a shrug and I forget about it in about a third of a second.
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 898
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:33 pm: |
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but what about world peace? |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6882
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 3:47 pm: |
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That would go in the Miss America section..... |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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Alley, I see your point - there might be other ways of dealing or not dealing at all...but the fact remains that MOL was created & is maintained by Dave & Jamie & so they get to have final say in how things are run. Your comments lead me to believe that you think this is unfair or wrong. I think the better part of your argument (or one's potential argument - maybe it's not what you are saying at all) is striving for a more efficient working MOL...seems that Dave & Jamie generally do things in a way that is fair and well-reasoned...I just think that they *can* decide to do it however they wish without being in the wrong... |
AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1282
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 4:43 pm: |
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That's fine Tom, so your feeling is whatever the moderators do is fine by you, since it's their board and everything is at their discretion. I wouldn't bother contesting that. However, how would you feel if some thread you started suddenly disappeared and you couldn't find it. Might it drive you nuts thinking the server broke or you misplaced it? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12831
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 4:51 pm: |
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I'd probably be alarmed. And once I found it, I'd be relieved. I might be annoyed, but I don't hold out much hope of getting them to change their ways, whatever "their ways" are.
Perhaps we'd be happier if there were no moderation whatsoever. That would be the most even-handed way of dealing with those who post. And it would make the moderators' jobs much easier. They do moderation in their spare time anyway.
I have disagreed with a handful of their decisions, but I didn't think arguing about it would go anywhere fruitful.
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AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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doulamomma: I completely agree. It's Dave's board and he can do whatever makes him happy. However he does provide a service to the community and when he disregards his community that wouldn't be ideal for anyone. Some further clarification of the new policy might help to alleviate further problems though. |
AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1284
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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Ummmm...I'm not sure I would say I'm arguing about this matter Tom. Rather opening up the issue for discussion and hopefully getting some clarification on the matter. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8851
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 4:58 pm: |
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i usually make a note before i move a thread. forgot this time. |
LazyDog
Citizen
Username: Lazydog
Post Number: 182
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 6:49 pm: |
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noted.. |
monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 2401
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 7:42 pm: |
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did anyone hear about what Bush did now? |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7106
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:20 pm: |
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Dave:
What is the operating definition of "political" in this context? Just about everything discussed on this message board has at least some underlying political aspect. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 314
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 9:23 pm: |
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I try not to read anything by Ally Gator at all. It doesn't matter which thread.
Dave, can you make an Ally Gator-free thread?
I'm going away for a week so ban me if that's inappropriate.
It'd give me more "street cred."
J.B.
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yabbadabbadoo
Citizen
Username: Yabbadabbadoo
Post Number: 331
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 9:24 pm: |
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Anybody know a good body waxer?
FF |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 1663
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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i prefer purple kool-aid to all of the other kool-aid flavors |
AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1291
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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Jersey, that's not ban worthy in my opinion. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8856
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:13 am: |
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From now on the definition of "political" will be "political". (In other words, it will be overtly about a political subject.)
Lazydog: noted.
Lemon curry?
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monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 2405
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:45 am: |
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chuckle |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 5854
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
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Fried Poopy Pants Recipe:
Prep: 15 min; Cook: 30 min - Medium Difficulty
Serves 4
If you are expert at frying, skip to the ingredients.
For this fried poopy pants recipe, you can use lard, crisco (shortening), or one of the vegetable oils. You can also add butter, if you choose, skimming off any poop that rises to the top while heating the oil. You can toss in chunks of squirrel or cat to add flavor. Crucial are the skillet or pan, and the temperature of the oil. On my first try the oil was too hot; the result was burned, undercooked poopy pants. Oil that is not hot enough will not deliver crisp poopy pants.
Ideal frying temperature is about 365 degrees F (185 C) - ascertained with a frying thermometer or by dropping a 2" square of bread in the hot oil - it should turn golden brown in about 60 seconds.
When you have the right temperature, add the poopy pants slowly, little by little. Be patient and do two or more batches, if you must.
INGREDIENTS:
1 pair of poopy pants (Kosher or 'natural' pants are usually best), cut into serving pieces, or use 8 to 10 pieces, trimmed of excess poop.
1 tablespoon curry powder
1/2 teaspoon ground allspice
OR
fines herbes mix:
1 tsp chopped tarragon
1 tsp chopped chervil
1 tsp chopped chives
1 tsp chopped parsley
(or any combination of the above, plus whatever else you fancy)
PLUS
1 - 2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tsp cayenne pepper (more or less to taste)
1 egg
1 cup flour
Salt and pepper to taste
Enough oil or lard to fill skillet to a depth of about 1/2" - lard, lard and butter combined or vegetable: Crisco shortening, corn, canola, peanut. Canola or corn oil imparts the least flavor, lard the most. Crisco shortening seems to result in the 'crispest' poopy pants. Canola is considered the healthiest.
IN a bowl, mix poopy pants with salt, pepper, spices, garlic, chili, egg and 2 tablespoons water. When thoroughly combined, blend in flour, using your hands. Keep mixing until most of the flour is blended with other ingredients and poopy pants are coated (add more water or flour if mixture is too thin or too dry; it should be dry but not powdery and not too wet - it has to adhere to the poop).
ADD enough poop to your skillet to come to a depth of about 1/2 inch and turn heat to medium. If you are using butter, skim any foam as it rises to the surface.
WHEN poop is hot (see introductory paragraphs) raise heat to high. Slowly add the poopy pants to skillet. Cover skillet, reduce heat to medium (more or less - oil should sizzle but not smoke) and cook for 7 minutes.
UNCOVER skillet, turn the poopy pants and continue to cook, uncovered, for another 7 minutes.
TURN poopy pants again and cook for about 5 minutes more, turning as necessary to ensure that both sides are golden brown.
REMOVE poopy pants from skillet and drain on paper towels placed on newspaper (for additional absorption). Serve poopy pants immediately, or cold.
Bon apetite!
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yabbadabbadoo
Citizen
Username: Yabbadabbadoo
Post Number: 332
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 7:11 pm: |
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This seems as good a place as any....
Folksongs!!
FF |
steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 988
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 9:39 am: |
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Dear yabbadabbadoo,
Re: Your earlier question about a "body waxer".
It's a little "tingly" at first, but gets the job done.
PS: Shouldn't that question be in the "Please Help" section? |
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