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wendy
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Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2038
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:14 pm: | 
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Why should my thoughts about my freedom being curtailed just belong in the politics section? Yeah, abortion is political. It's also social, moral and ethical. Why should a rant about cell phones stay safely put where the original poster desired but a thread about abortion issues (with the word Republican in parenthesis) be moved to the political thread of our esteemed message board where many fear to tread?
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5159
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:23 pm: |
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I guess because as a political issue, it produces strong opinions. Political campaigns are conducted based on this issue. Political parties have statements in their platforms on this issue (one seeks nation-wide criminalization, the other doesn't). It's discussed as part of primary campaigns.
It's "political" but people still bring their social, moral, and ethical views into the discussion, of course. The political realm is where people's social, moral and ethical views can have an effect on others. The political realm is also where people can choose not to impose their own social, moral and ethical views onto others, through the power of government.
And all of that, is basically a political discussion.
On the other hand, just because something is a political question, doesn't mean that it's any less valid.
As for why people don't want to go to "All Politics", the only way to cure that is for other folks to join the conversations in that section, and to ignore the ones who just want to make it an insult-fest.
Now that I've written the above, I'll probably be blamed for getting this transferred to you-know-where. |
las
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Username: Las
Post Number: 1202
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:33 pm: |
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Wendy, I am one of those who fear to tread in Political Soapbox, yet even in Soapbox I skipped that thread. Didn't know it was about abortion based on the title. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2442
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:40 pm: |
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I think Nohero's right. It's almost like Soapbox is R, but Soapbox All Politics is XXX so you can know ahead of time what you might be getting into.
It doesn't bug me. I have thoughts on abortion, too, but just am not much into that particular fray with anyone under about 50. Youngsters views and all that...Come to think of it, I'd like an MOL Politics area where you had to prove you were over 50 to post! |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1994
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:42 pm: |
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Quote:As for why people don't want to go to "All Politics", the only way to cure that is for other folks to join the conversations in that section, and to ignore the ones who just want to make it an insult-fest.
Been there, tried that - won't be trying it again any time soon. It's an enormous waste of time, in my opinion. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5162
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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Quote:It's an enormous waste of time, in my opinion.
Entirely understandable.
But, if I may, it's a small amount of effort, after all, to reclaim a useful community forum. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2444
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:54 pm: |
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It feels like the Fox channel in there ... or professional wrestling. |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1995
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 8:59 pm: |
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Quote:a small amount of effort
You're joking, right?
Seriously - I've been in there, posting furiously night & day, losing sleep, losing time from my job, putting my physical, emotional, and financial health all at risk - and it made not the slightest dent in the discussion.
Fuggedaboudit. I'm not going back. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5163
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 9:24 pm: |
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Well, every person who decides to stay away, makes it less interesting.
We'll see what we can do to make it better, so you'll come back.  |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1292
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 9, 2006 - 11:28 pm: |
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Wendy thanks for being more articulate than me. I tried but honestly couldn't say it better. |
wendy
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Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2042
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 7:26 am: |
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Thanks for the compliment. It's the least I could do AlleyGater. |
marie
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Username: Marie
Post Number: 1406
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:18 am: |
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I found the following exhibit fascinating and profoundly thought provoking - especially the human embryonic and fetal part of the exhibit - no matter what side of the abortion issue you are aligned with, being able to see a week old embryo and a four week old fetus up close helps make the issue more real and tangible.
http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ |
Rick B
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Username: Ruck1977
Post Number: 1014
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:33 am: |
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CG, over 50 to post?
are you truly suggesting that you can learn nothing from someone younger than you? if not, what are you suggesting. i am interested to know. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2205
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:37 am: |
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Yea, I wanted to ask the same thing. I didn't know that people over 50 should be the decision makers. |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:48 am: |
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Wendy,
Maybe because a cellphone rant is just that - a complaint about rude behavior...rude behavior that is not currently legislated by anyone and nothing the Supreme Court will be voting on anytime soon...I don't think it's an apt comparison. The cellphone story is one I would talk about at a dinner party with people I don't know that well...the abortion issue is something I would probably not discuss unless I knew the folks better...I certainly don't feel as passionately about some windbag yaking in a nail salon as I do about (WARNING: POSSIBLE POLITICAL STATEMENT AHEAD)the "Moral" *Minority* and this administration trying to tell women what we can do with our bodies.
I get what you are saying about the Politics section being a ghetto of sorts...maybe it can be reclaimed (and really descriptive thread titles used) so that more folks will go there. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5171
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:00 am: |
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Doulamomma - I think you've come up with the right standard. The "Dinner Party Test" is a good way to decide if something ought to be in the "Politics" section.
In which case, maybe it should be called the "Politics and Religion" section. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2446
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:49 am: |
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Brett, Rick B -- I wasn't for a minute saying that everyone should be over 50 to post on MOL. What I said was I would enjoy a channel/forum where the crowd conversing was over 50. Of course I read all the channels, and of course there're things to be learned from folks younger, and considerably older. Just that some days, some subjects, it's easier to have a discussion when the discussers have some similar frames of reference and have lived through some similar events/time/history. I see this with respect to war, abortion and other "political" topics. Believe me, all people over 50 don't have the same views, but for the most part, we lived through some similar events and that does color views of what's going on today. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6884
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
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Howzabout a new forum: Boomers On-Line?
Fax Dave a copy of your driver's license showing that you were born between 1946 & 1964 if you want an ID.
Cyn - it's interesting. I agree that people's views may not be different if they were older, but sometimes I think that a certain level of vitriol and tunnel vision comes from a lack of historical perspective and experience.
Then again, some of the older posters who dig their heels in about the "good old days" have learned nothing from history and cannot adapt to the changing world.
I must ponder this.... |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2206
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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M-Old-L |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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Doulamomma: TRUST ME anything can be political. For instance I think cell phone blockers are the bees knees. I feel that the area around me should be free of cell phone chatter. With a blocker I can make a no airwave zone around me and no one would know I was doing so. If you want reception, just walk a few feet away from me. Perfect places for this IN MY OPINION would be the train ride and the theatre for example. HOWEVER, there has already been legislation passed (or in the process of being passed) stating that the use of such devices should be criminalized.
Nohero: At a dinner party, I go there. You make the assumption that other people don't go there either. Not everyone is as civilized as you as I'm sure you already knew. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6885
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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Watch it, buddy! You'll be here soon enough.
That was actually kind of funny... |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1189
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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Yes Alley, I suppose anything can be politicized if we strive to make it so...however, the intent of my thread (to which Wendy referred by way of comparison) was not political...as I quoted in another thread you started on the topic of soapbox v. politics, "I know it when I see it"...
Sometimes I will "go there" as well at a dinner party, but I think it's a better discussion and more appropriate if all parties are consenting, as it were...if not everyone is up for such a discussion then it's usually not that interesting and runs the risk of everyone being held hostage listening to one passionate soul state his opinions...and then we are right back in the nail salon with the cell phone "YakA*s" or on the train, except there is no reception blocker for someone spouting at a party...rude behavior is rude behavior (even if I might happen to agree with the views expressed) |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2447
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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greenetree, I absolutely agree that some people get ossified into a position and defend their ramparts. I've just noticed that the older my peers get, the more we're willing to see gray areas (!) that we weren't before. Not always, but on some of the hottest of hot issues, at least privately. And I do think some of it is the experience thing. Sometimes when life kicks you around a bit, your edges get worn off -- and if it doesn't kick you around, you're inclined to stay self-satisfied and sure of yourself at every turn. Most people get kicked around some. On the topics in question, people over 50 (more like 52+) immediately lived through the Viet Nam war as young people, hippie stuff, drugs, the introduction of the Pill, freely available abortion etc. So, there's an immediate experience with the before and after state that is not just philosophical.
Myviews have morphed over time and have been greatly affected by life experience. I see that as well in age peers where we use to have more b/w positions. And that's the genesis of my remark. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 971
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Dave or Jamie, could you please move this thread to the political soapbox? If you won't because you don't think this thread is political enough, just wait for a few posts after mine and you will see the change and move this thread.
1. There should be a national flat tax!
2. Abortion shouldn't just be legal, it should be mandatory!
3. Cloning humans and human/animals should be allowed!
4. Democrats are all poor hippies who would see us bankrupt this country!
5. Republicans are all rich and have no heart!
Now can we remove this thread? Thank you.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8859
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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This isn't a political thread. |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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GT & Cynical,
I think it's the maturation process...for some people that comes with age (but not necessarily) & for some it comes with experience. ...the things that seemed so obvious & clear at one point seem less so over time.
Mostly I'm joking, but I frequently think that in my next life I would like to come back as a rule-following/things are black & white kind of person...just seems like it must be easier...
Not sure where this fits in, but my dad (who is a very young-seeming 63) was in the marines during Viet Nam & used to say that it was a war he supported...he would never tell me who he voted for (but did take me on my 18th birthday to register)...fast-forward to now: he recently joinced the ACLU and very open politically - a big ideological shift that has made room for ideas he once rejected. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2448
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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Yep-yep-yep, doulamomma. I've seen that very thing. I am generally more interested in how people got to their current positions, than their positions themselves. And I'm not much interested positions (even if they agree with mine) that are just theoretical and haven't been lived. |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1299
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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Doulamomma: how can you say that people can't ignore these threads? I mean there were like 2 or 3 threads going on at once that had some serious debates that were clearly political (some even with the word Republican in the subject line). But there are like a good 20 or 30 threads in Soapbox going at any one time usually. That is a VERY LOW PERCENTAGE. Also the conversation that you find rude is all in one thread. You can pretty easily just not click on that thread.
At a party, if you don't like what someone is saying, you use an excuse to leave that person's presence. It's a drag but WE'VE ALL HAD TO DO IT. On MOL it's even easier. Just don't click on the link. I could see if the problem was really drastic maybe then the moderator would say something (like POST A MESSAGE OR SOMETHING), but it really felt heavy handed to not say anything and just move everything around.
4 people that I know of thinks the Soapbox Politics is worse than hell on MOL and would prefer to never have to set foot (mouse?) in there. So there is a problem here. I'm not sure I understood that there was a real problem with how things were that there was a need to FIX it. Which is why I asked Dave to give us some insight into why he decided to do this. Without the history and an understanding on his choice to do so, I am left with the impression that someone(s) complained to him. I'm always curious who is the squeaky wheel. Also I am curious who has Dave's ear. The solution that was created to fix it, seems to have created new problems.
On a bulletin board like MOL how is someone "held hostage"? You can just ignore the annoying thread? And please don't tell me that you shouldn't have to ignore threads. I FOR ONE, have to every day on MOL. And for the record it's NOT PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT TO DO either. |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 1888
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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AlleyGater - see the thread just a few threads below this one:
"Why so many political threads in the Soapbox?"
that may have been the impetus ... |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5178
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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As for why there's a separate "Politics" section at all, I believe that the birth of that can be found at the following link -
/discus/messages/129/15763.html?1047181198
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AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1302
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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Dave wrote:
Quote:I think "Political Forum" and "Soapbox" are kind of the same thing. I don't think the current system is broken, but a few people mentioned separating out international issues into a different topic. Appears that most want it kept as is, which is fine.
Nohero: but what I find so interesting is that Dave's last post on the matter agreed with the other 98% of the people who posted that liked it the way that it was. The politics section was made ANYWAY and then later (just recently) some threads were moved without notice and after the fact it was mentioned that now political threads MUST go in the politics section. With little or no clarification on what even is political.
So I'm not sure the needs of the many are being served (judging by that thread) or that there was a problem that even existed that things needed to be fixed. In fact I think new problems have arisen because of the change. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8861
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:20 pm: |
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If only you were registered at the time you could have saved MOL from the current dire situation we find ourselves in.  |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1304
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:32 pm: |
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I don't see how it would have mattered because I would have just written what everyone else INCLUDING YOURSELF wrote.
I wouldn't call it dire. I would call it uneccessary. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8862
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:38 pm: |
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I didn't write that.
Dave 2003 wrote it. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6893
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:52 pm: |
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Is the Dave 2003 an improvement over the Dave 2000? Or is it just a lot of extra bling to increase sales? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 974
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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I hated Dave 2003. I also hated Dave 2000. Now, the 2006 model isn't so good either, but we have to make due with whatwe have. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2450
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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But is it backwards compatible? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 975
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:58 pm: |
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It doesn't matter, Dave 2003 was so bad I wouldn't ever want to go back to anything there. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8863
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:59 pm: |
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Dave 2003 didn't have a clue.
And he still owes me $100 |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1305
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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Ok.....?!? Did I slip into the twilight zone or something? |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 5859
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:20 pm: |
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I love the twilight zone! |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1192
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:23 pm: |
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Alley:
Now obviously I like a good & good-natured argument, but I think we should let people speak for themselves...It seems I don't *need* to reply to you, as you are having both sides of the conversation & speaking for me, supplying all sorts of arguments that I might make...
One point: I was originally responding to Wendy, not you...I responded to you in the other thread & stayed on task to that thread. I responded to you when you jumped in to this thread (though you were making it about your issue, not Wendy's).
Gator wrote:
1. "how can you say that people can't ignore these threads?" I didn't...I was responding to your feeling that you have the right to interject what you want without the buy-in of those around you, yet feel that you should be able to block that which is annoying to you (cell blocker on the train etc)...can't you just walk away to another car on the train?
2. " how is someone "held hostage"? You can just ignore the annoying thread? " Again, I was talking about what is political vs. what isn't; the "held hostage" part was concerning a dinner party (guess I go to smaller dinner parties where excusing myself would be socially awkward & hurtful)
3. "I am curious who has Dave's ear" I don't, so there is one person to cross off your list. I have no idea how Dave made his decision, but it wasn't with my input...and I'm OK with that...
What I was saying before & still saying (leaving aside the movement of threads): you are willing to trust yourself, at a party, on a train, or on MOL, to be the arbiter of what is appropriate (with others having the freedom to leave if they find it offensive), yet you are less tolerant when it comes time for others to decide the rules of appropriateness or for you to leave a situation in order to not be annoyed...this is a double standard. Also, it's about substituting your judgment for that of others...pretty much like the anti-choice movement in the abortion issue - you're right - everything is political
So just to be clear - this thread was started to ask why is X considered political when Y is not...different thread from your concern over the movement of threads. Please stop putting words/ideas in my mouth - particularly ideas of censorship. For the record, I personally am fine with ignoring threads I am not interested in or find stressful...but it seems that there is a plan of organization for the board & I'm willing to follow that - so I won't ask for a recipe in the technology section etc. I also think that the politics section should be reclaimed by introducing some of the less-toxic yet still political threads one might have put in soapbox previously. |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1306
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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Doula, I didn't mean to imply that you were the squeeky wheel. But I am under the impression that Dave was influenced by complaints. I have asked Dave to provide a history of the events and he has chosen to not clarify that specific point. Without that knowledge I won't know what really happened.
I also don't think you are right about being able to fix the problems of the politics section. The reason being is that A LOT of people refuse to enter that section. FOR VERY GOOD REASONS.
You wrote, "this thread was started to ask why is X considered political when Y is not".
This actually isn't completely true. The title of the thread and the first sentence of Wendy's post asks another question. The following questions are just examples to help make a point. I'm sorry that you didn't think they were good examples. I understood Wendy's point however. I think you do too.
I don't feel like I am the "arbiter of appropriateness" on MOL. I don't deceive myself into thinking I have control of the situation or sway over the moderator. Rather I feel like I am stating my opinion and beginning a discussion on the matter. Where will that get me? God only knows. A little entertainment maybe? If I'm lucky I'll learn something worthwhile? Who knows.
I also am not sure I have a SERIOUS issue with someone deciding what is appropriate or not for me. We all like to think we have control of the world but in reality we usually dont. I am not 100% sure I knew specifically what you are talking about though here. If we are talking about Dave deciding what goes in Politics and what doesn't, I am fully tolerant. I mean it's his board, do what you want with it. But if I understood the rules a bit better I think there would be less confusion on the matter. I personally didn't love that decision but I feel comfortable with Dave making it. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8864
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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You have to undersand Wendy is a real troublemaker. We monitor her posts with the tenacity of the Dept. of Homeland Security on a good day and often employ the Lasso of Omniscience to factcheck her.
She hates it, but she can't do anything about it. |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1307
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:41 pm: |
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Is the implication there that I am the troublemaker? |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1195
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:43 pm: |
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Then we disagree...
I maintain that you & Wendy were asking/seeking two differnt things.
I also maintain that we are not owed a "history of events"...again, that's imposing standards of politics or journalism on a message board
"arbiter of appropriateness" was meant in relation to real life...I don't know you, so maybe you used examples here that are not in step with how you really behave, but I was using the term re. dinner parties & train rides...I'm sure on some level we are all arbiters (see my thread on the cell phone abuser from yesterday)
Anyway, I'm all for entertainment...but I can't imagine this is very entertaining anymore - kind of parsed to death at this point... |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8865
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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The implication is that you need to focus on Wendy, lest her stealth campaign ignites a mass revolt.
You're not a troublemaker. More like a patriot. |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1196
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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Alley,
I think the conspiracy has been solved...read this thread from top to bottom, as well as your thread on the topic...Pippi points out that there was another thread complaining about all the politics in Soapbox - thus the probable genesis of the movement; Dave states that he usually notes a thread move & didn't this time (but theoretically will in the future)...the various Dave models was not a drift into space, but humor...
I think the situation is pretty clear.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8866
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:27 pm: |
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I need to think of other ways to curtail Wendy's freedoms. Moving posts around purely on a whim isn't going to be good enough.
Ideas? |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1997
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:32 pm: |
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I see in Dave 2006 vs. Dave 2003 the maturation process that cynicalgirl is talking about. For example, it seems that he's learned to dodge questions with a wink and a smile a lot more effectively. ;-)
But anyway it's not age, cynicalgirl, I think it is experience that leads to the grey-area thing you're talking about. For exmaple my personal experiences have softened, yet deepened, my stance on abortion, for example. I'm still extremely pro-choice as far as laws go, so that hasn't changed - but for somewhat different (or additional) reasons than I once was. (And no, I'm not going to elaborate - it's a long story, I have related it on MOL before, and if anybody really cares they can do an archive search.) And yet, I'd be considerably less likely or even totally disinclined to urge an unexpectedly pregnant young woman to get an abortion herself, assuming I knew her well enough that I would be in her confidence. I so urged my sister when she was expecting my eldest niece (who is now a junior in college) - but she ignored me and I'm glad she did. She experienced 85 different kinds of hell as a result of ignoring me, but she doesn't regret the choice.
But then - that's the point - it was her choice.
Anyway, I think I can do grey-area, conditional stuff as well as any 50-year old. ;-) |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1308
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |
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I'm sure Wendy was asking and seeking different things from me. She and I are not in cahoots or anything -- nor can I read her mind. She posted something that I agreed with. I don't think I misquoted her or put words in her mouth.
I didn't DEMAND an explanation. I never stated that I was OWED anything. I just asked for history of the events and was so far denied it. I have whined and cried that I haven't gotten what I want. I just pointed out that I still have no explanation. I have IMPLIED that there was someone(s) who complained to the adminstrator. I also implied that the administrator greased the squeaky wheel. I have also implied that the squeaky wheel is someone who has the moderator's ear. But I don't know if any of that is true. And I won't if Dave doesn't provide some explanation or history. I won't like that necessarily, but I can live with it. There are lots of things I don't like on MOL that I would change if it was my board. But it's not. And meanwhile I think MOL is a fine place to visit. Have I mentioned it's free? Well mostly free...I feel like I pay with a little bit of my soul every post. ;-)
I never meant to impose standards of journalism on anything, that was you who mentioned that. I do prefer when things seem fair. Is fairness asking for too much? I don't expect that either. I just like it.
I wouldn't participate, if I wasn't enjoying it or getting something out of it. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8867
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:50 pm: |
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I want my ear back RIGHT NOW.
(Glad you enjoy MOL. Have a great weekend, Alley) |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1197
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:56 pm: |
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Then certainly don't try to sell your soul via classifieds - that will now cost you $3.99...nothing is free (unless you're giving it away)
Dave - I think you have a crush on Wendy - I think you should just tell her so...I think she's the squeeky wheel & the posts to the contrary are just red herrings. That's what I think. |
AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1310
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:15 pm: |
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Quote:I have whined and cried that I haven't gotten what I want.
Ummmm....I know everything thinks I'm a whiny beeyotch but I swear I meant to say I HAVE NOT whined and cried. Fine. Let just agree to disagree.
You too Dave. Since the weather is going to be great I'm going to the dog park to play with my doggy. |
wendy
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Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2044
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:53 pm: |
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I'm going to play too. I'm thrilled to have started a thread that lasted more than three posts and didn't have weird people yelling at me. I love AlleyGater, doulamomma, wendyn and all the other wonderful people who try their hardest to civilly get their points across. I love greenetree, cynicalgirl, las and mem who generally make me laugh out loud (while still being civil - that's important even for a non Wasp, you know).
I still hate Dave - even more since he's made me such a victim. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14683
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:55 pm: |
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grtyevki! |
wendy
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Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2045
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:58 pm: |
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Can someone tell Sbenois Translation Services that they need to bring back their offshore services. It seems to have some minor glitches. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12863
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:18 am: |
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I ran "grtyevki" through a rot13 filter, and it translated it into "rachpevt". |
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