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WendyP
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3441
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:10 pm: | 
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And I suppose you could say the same about any other religion in the world. |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1736
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:24 pm: |
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I read that book too - fascinating, esp. how the young boys are thrown out of the towns. Also the hostility towards non-Mormons and getting one over on the gov't.
Years ago I took a road trip around Arizona and parts of Utah - the main-stream Mormons and the fundamentalist Mormons had an uneasy relationship - the moderate Mormans called them "Poligs" - short for polygamists.
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Peter J. Watts
Citizen
Username: Peter_watts
Post Number: 10
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:35 pm: |
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It's creepy. Everyone has an eye on the fundamentalist mormon's new church in Eldorado, Texas. Their leader is on the FBI's most wanted list and everyone seems to fear it could end like Waco. I saw it on TV, so it must be true. |
Unowen
Citizen
Username: Unowen
Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 9:58 pm: |
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Wow, I didnt know he was on the FBI's top ten. Yeah Mormons generally do creep me out. Has anyone seen that new show on HBO called Big Love? It's about a morman who practices polygamy, but I don't recomend it. |
bella
Citizen
Username: Bella
Post Number: 566
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 10:47 pm: |
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I sit across from a JW at work. She does go door to door on the weekend, but has never tried to push her religion on me. She's had one of the unhappiest lives I've known of (unstable childhood,abusive ex-husband, runaway daugter, a husband who's gone off the deepend, etc.) but she finds comfort, companionship, and hope in her religion. Who am I to question? |
WendyP
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3446
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 6:14 am: |
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Interesting the Unowen says something charming like, "Yeah, mormons do generally creep me out," and we hear a peep out of no one?
Gee I wonder if s/he had said "Yeah, jews (or catholics or muslims) do generally creep me out" what the reaction would have been? Hmmmmm, I wonder?
So Unowen, know a lot of Mormons, do ya? |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5240
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 8:00 am: |
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Good point, WendyP. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 556
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 8:44 am: |
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Opus Dei, anyone? |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1483
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:04 am: |
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Some years back I did some research on the Jehovah Witness belief. Read on the founder and history. Interesting. I also have a book, “How to Witness to a Jehovah’s Witness” and used this to discuss some problems I found in their teachings. This book was written by an ex Jehovah’s Witness who was an “Elder” and then left the religion. I challenge these witnesses on certain scriptures (which was change to SUIT their beliefs), the founder, the 144,000 who are suppose to enter into the Kingdom and so on. I had a couple who came for 2 weeks of so-called study. We never made progress because I kept challenging them on their teachings. They never came back.
Here’s an interesting site which gives you a history and the challenges of this religion.
http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 385
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:13 am: |
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All religions creep me out. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 559
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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Hear, hear! |
Unowen
Citizen
Username: Unowen
Post Number: 32
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 6:19 pm: |
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Why are you getting offensive WendyP? I never said I hated them. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3131
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 11:44 am: |
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I'm with Glock. I'll look over those evangelizing JW materials if the JWs do a shot of tequila with me. Is it any more offensive for me to make that offer than for them to come to my home and tell me that some of my most personal choices are wrong? |
tjohn
Supporter
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4170
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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Well, yes, it is. Tequila is vile stuff. Now, if you invited them in for some fine Scotch, that would be different. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 437
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 11:57 am: |
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V.S.O.P Cogniac.
But I don't have any religious affiliation because 1. I feel that all organized religion is a big scam. and 2. That I couldn't support anything that is currently causing and has historically caused so much hatred and bloodshed between people and nations.
From the movie "Don't be a menace to south central while drinking your juice in the hood"
Pastor singing- "Don't ask questions. Like 'why come the pastor gotta' have a nice house?' or 'why come the pastor gotta' have a nice car?' Don't ask questions...just give yo' money!" |
tjohn
Supporter
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4172
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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Glock,
To be fair, it is people who have historically caused so much hatred and bloodshed. Misuse of religion is one of many means of bringing people together in opposition to other groups of people. |
campbell29
Citizen
Username: Campbell29
Post Number: 395
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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I have JW in-laws, and while they certainly have some nutty ideas - prohibition isn't one of them. i imagine that some of them would be more than happy to hang out and drink while they're supposed to be "spreading the word" |
Claflin Kennerly
Citizen
Username: 2cents
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
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Ok, let me clear a few things up.
I was raised in the JW religion. I left as soon as I became old enough to make my own decisions. First off, Seven Day Adventists (Mormons?) and JWs were once the same religion, but broke off from each other somewhere back in their early days. I have had Seven Day Adventists come to my door where I live, but no JWs. I did have some JWs come when I first moved to town, but that was because my father gave the local congregation all of my info (address, phone, etc.). I have moved since then.
If you really don't want to be bothered I would not open the door, but I would not hide either. Move about noisily so that they know that you are not interested. You could open the door and tell them the same thing, of course, but they do have tactics (taught tactics) to keep you at the door once you open it. I know this first hand!!!
Additionally, they believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, but most of us who are granted eternal life will live it out here on a newly cleansed earth. The believe that we all pray for this cleansed earth in the Lord's Prayer..."God's will be done on earth, as it is in heaven..." |
Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 251
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 2:10 pm: |
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Hi Claflin Kennerly,
it's hard to go out into world after knowing "the truth"!
i was raised 7th day adventist, so i know! they are not the same as Church of Latter Day Saints (who are commonly called mormons). I think all of these religions started in the 1840's but that they have different origins. we have SDA's come around here at Halloween time and ask for food. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 556
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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I was supposedly confirmed of baptised or whatever they do Unitarian Universalist...and I still have no idea what that is. |
joy
Citizen
Username: Joy
Post Number: 415
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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Have fun with the belief-o-matic...
http://belief.net/story/76/story_7665_1.html |
Claflin Kennerly
Citizen
Username: 2cents
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 3:32 pm: |
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Crazy Quilter,
I almost fell out of my chair when you said, "The truth". So you know exactly what my childhood was like! Did they use that terminology in your childhood religion, too? Like the rest of the world is walking around in complete ignorance? |
Claflin Kennerly
Citizen
Username: 2cents
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 3:44 pm: |
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Joy,
The belief-o-matic was great. I was almost halfway through when I realized that I was not putting in my beliefs, but what was hammered into me for the first 18 years of my life. I came out 100% Mormon!!! (LOL) The second half I tried to be true to what I truly believe, so I don't know how I came to be Mormon. #2 for me was Orthodox Judaism (90%), #3 Sikhism?(89%), and JW (87%).
I will do it again later with more thought to what my true beliefs are. I guess some of the brainwashing is still present in my subconscious...
Everybody should try it though.
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BGS
Supporter
Username: Bgs
Post Number: 915
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
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Glock, I am sure that you could do research on what it is that was done to you as a child. You could goolge Unitarian practices.
Did you have the benefit of going to religious education while you were growing up or was it a one shot deal while you were a baby?
I would love to introduce you to some very smart people who welcome open dialogue from youth regarding notions about religion. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2829
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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Speaking of Unitarians, the belief-o-matic has me 100% Unitarian Universalism.
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (88%)
3. Secular Humanism (88%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (87%)
5. Neo-Pagan (77%)
6. Nontheist (71%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (69%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (65%)
9. Taoism (59%)
10. Reform Judaism (53%) |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 561
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
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Well neither of my parents practice...we all sort of have our individual beliefs and never really discuss it...I was raised without religion you could say. |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7199
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:20 pm: |
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Well, it was fun, but I do think that it is weird that the Belief-O-Matic would make me Christian or Mormon before a Reform Jew.
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (98%)
3. Liberal Quakers (85%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
5. Nontheist (74%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (66%)
7. Neo-Pagan (64%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (56%)
9. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (52%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (48%)
11. New Age (48%)
12. Reform Judaism (47%)
13. Taoism (45%)
14. New Thought (39%)
15. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (37%)
16. Orthodox Quaker (36%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (35%)
18. Sikhism (34%)
19. Scientology (33%)
20. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
21. Jainism (21%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (19%)
23. Islam (19%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (19%)
25. Roman Catholic (19%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (16%)
27. Hinduism (12%)
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2831
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:22 pm: |
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I'm thinking of switching to neo-paganism (77%). |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7200
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:48 pm: |
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Does the "neo" part mean you'd worship bushes instead of trees? |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1654
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 5:02 pm: |
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1. Too bored to read the questions (100%) |
joy
Citizen
Username: Joy
Post Number: 416
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:23 pm: |
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I came out as a neopagan - I was raised as a Roman Catholic. That explains alot for me. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 569
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:36 pm: |
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1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (95%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (86%)
4. Liberal Quakers (85%)
5. Neo-Pagan (82%)
6. Nontheist (74%)
7. New Age (70%)
8. Theravada Buddhism (70%)
9. Bahá'í Faith (66%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (56%)
11. Reform Judaism (51%)
12. Taoism (50%)
13. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (48%)
14. Mahayana Buddhism (46%)
15. New Thought (46%)
16. Orthodox Quaker (43%)
17. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (42%)
18. Scientology (40%)
19. Sikhism (33%)
20. Jainism (30%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (29%)
22. Islam (28%)
23. Orthodox Judaism (28%)
24. Eastern Orthodox (18%)
25. Roman Catholic (18%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (15%)
27. Hinduism (10%)
Well at least I know I'd fit in! |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11182
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
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And so many of you think I am anti-semitic. 
1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (84%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (84%)
4. Sikhism (83%)
5. Bah�'� Faith (82%)
6. Islam (76%)
7. Orthodox Judaism (76%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (72%)
9. Neo-Pagan (67%)
10. Secular Humanism (65%)
11. Jainism (57%)
12. New Age (55%)
13. Mahayana Buddhism (51%)
14. Nontheist (48%)
15. Scientology (48%)
16. New Thought (46%)
17. Orthodox Quaker (45%)
18. Theravada Buddhism (45%)
19. Taoism (41%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (40%)
21. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (34%)
22. Hinduism (33%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (31%)
24. Roman Catholic (31%)
25. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (30%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (22%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (20%) |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2157
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 8:47 pm: |
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Strangely enough, my score on this listed my own faith dead last. I certainly feel at odds with my faith in many ways, but I really didn't know I was so out of sync with it.
Belief-O-Matic calls me a Liberal Protestant, which is what my parents and one sister are now (some flavor of United Methodist - my other sister is Russian Orthodox Christian, great thing for a Scottish-Irish kid, huh?). The last time I did this I came out as Quaker and RC was higher up the list. I guess I've changed my belief system somewhat since then. Or maybe I'm rebelling and don't even know it.
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (96%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (94%)
4. Neo-Pagan (79%)
5. Bah�'� Faith (76%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (71%)
7. New Age (70%)
8. Secular Humanism (70%)
9. Reform Judaism (66%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (57%)
11. New Thought (57%)
12. Taoism (54%)
13. Theravada Buddhism (54%)
14. Orthodox Quaker (50%)
15. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (46%)
16. Nontheist (46%)
17. Scientology (45%)
18. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (41%)
19. Sikhism (41%)
20. Jainism (39%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (38%)
22. Hinduism (37%)
23. Jehovah's Witness (35%)
24. Islam (33%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (24%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (13%)
27. Roman Catholic (13%) |
spw784
Supporter
Username: Spw784
Post Number: 877
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 9:25 pm: |
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Hey.. I should be a Quaker!
1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (98%)
3. Reform Judaism (91%)
4. Neo-Pagan (90%)
5. Secular Humanism (80%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (79%)
7. Sikhism (74%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (73%)
9. New Age (73%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (69%)
11. Jainism (67%)
12. Islam (64%)
13. Orthodox Judaism (64%)
14. Orthodox Quaker (62%)
15. Theravada Buddhism (62%)
16. Scientology (59%)
17. Nontheist (56%)
18. New Thought (54%)
19. Taoism (54%)
20. Hinduism (53%)
21. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (43%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (41%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (38%)
24. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (30%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (25%)
26. Roman Catholic (25%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (18%)
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bella
Citizen
Username: Bella
Post Number: 576
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Orthodox Judaism (85%)
3. Baha'i Faith (83%)
4. Sikhism (81%)
5. Islam (78%)
6. Liberal Quakers (77%)
7. Unitarian Universalism (70%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (67%)
9. Neo-Pagan (58%)
10. Jainism (54%)
11. New Age (52%)
12. Mahayana Buddhism (51%)
13. Orthodox Quaker (48%)
14. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (44%)
15. New Thought (43%)
16. Theravada Buddhism (42%)
17. Secular Humanism (41%)
18. Scientology (41%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
20. Taoism (38%)
21. Eastern Orthodox (34%)
22. Roman Catholic (34%)
23. Hinduism (29%)
24. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (28%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (27%)
26. Jehovah's Witness (27%)
27. Nontheist (27%)
I guess that being a conservative Jew is working pretty well for me.
See, this is what I do instead of homework! |
Scully
Citizen
Username: Scully
Post Number: 307
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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I am a bit put out that Secular Humanism came out only third place, and have to question why I'm closer to the Mormons than Reform Judaism???!!! GOOD GRIEF!!!
My results:
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (95%)
3. Secular Humanism (94%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (90%)
5. Neo-Pagan (75%)
6. New Age (67%)
7. Nontheist (65%)
8. Theravada Buddhism (62%)
9. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (59%)
10. Taoism (58%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (57%)
12. Bah�'� Faith (56%)
13. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (50%)
14. New Thought (50%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (45%)
16. Reform Judaism (45%)
17. Scientology (44%)
18. Jehovah's Witness (37%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (35%)
20. Hinduism (32%)
21. Sikhism (32%)
22. Jainism (30%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (20%)
24. Eastern Orthodox (16%)
25. Islam (16%)
26. Orthodox Judaism (16%)
27. Roman Catholic (16%) |
Joanne G
Citizen
Username: Joanne
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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Last time I did Belief-O-Matic, it was the same day I saw a career counsellor. His computer program told me I should start my own world cult!!!! When B-o-M placed me as closest to Liberal Quaker (even though nothing actually reached 100%), it seemed to reinforce the career choice 
Anyway, thanks to Tom's 7-fruit haroset, I am just about ready for our seder - which we will start about 11 hours ahead of you guys. I may not be able to access MOL while away (are those sighs of relief I hear??), but will be thinking of you all.
May you have the holy day break you wish, in the manner you wish, and with the people you love and treasure most. May no argument be beyond peace-making, may no-one get excrutiating indigestion and may no pets suffer chocolate or alcohol induced food poisoning! |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2159
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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Is Belief-O-Matic run by liberal Quakers? It seems as if LOTS of people test out very high on this - is it a recruiting tool?? (i.e., "looks like you agree with us, why not join?) |
MichaelaM
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 150
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 11:58 pm: |
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I'm just glad Scientology came in last ... oh, and I'm Catholic. :P
CLK, I'm with you on the liberal Quakers. Seems they have a good marketing tool here...
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (82%)
3. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (77%)
4. Bah�'� Faith (74%)
5. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (73%)
6. Reform Judaism (73%)
7. Unitarian Universalism (71%)
8. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
9. Orthodox Quaker (64%)
10. Eastern Orthodox (62%)
11. Roman Catholic (62%)
12. Sikhism (58%)
13. Islam (55%)
14. Jehovah's Witness (55%)
15. Seventh Day Adventist (52%)
16. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (51%)
17. Neo-Pagan (47%)
18. New Thought (47%)
19. New Age (46%)
20. Secular Humanism (46%)
21. Theravada Buddhism (46%)
22. Mahayana Buddhism (45%)
23. Jainism (36%)
24. Hinduism (35%)
25. Nontheist (33%)
26. Taoism (33%)
27. Scientology (32%) |
Me2
Citizen
Username: Me2
Post Number: 236
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Crazy_quilter, you say you are an ex-SDA. Me2. What religion are you now, if any?... just curious. |
LilLB
Citizen
Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1489
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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I find it funny that even though I was raised in the Roman Catholic church (don't belong anymore), that I'm more aligned with almost every religion but that...
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (94%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (88%)
4. Liberal Quakers (85%)
5. Nontheist (79%)
6. Neo-Pagan (67%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (66%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (57%)
9. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (57%)
10. Taoism (55%)
11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (54%)
12. Reform Judaism (52%)
13. Sikhism (44%)
14. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (42%)
15. New Age (42%)
16. New Thought (42%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (36%)
18. Scientology (36%)
19. Orthodox Quaker (29%)
20. Jehovah's Witness (28%)
21. Eastern Orthodox (19%)
22. Islam (19%)
23. Jainism (19%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (19%)
25. Roman Catholic (19%)
26. Hinduism (14%)
27. Seventh Day Adventist (14%)
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Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 255
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 7:05 pm: |
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hi Me2, i guess i just can't believe in any of it now. After being so sure for the first half of my life, i really couldn't find any middle ground. What have you done? here's something funny, in my dtr's class in school i met a mom whose dad is an Adventist minister. she is also from Nashville, tn. and we know some of the same people. small world.
anyway, i'm lucky because my parents left the church too. my mom still attends but claims she never believed (?)! |
Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 256
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 7:08 pm: |
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my mom, who has been into Quakers lately, says the Belief-o=matic site is funded by the universalists. It's a way to point out that most people agree with a lot of what they have to say. the Quakers where she lives (texarkana) have been promoting this site, too, as a way to get people interested in meeting with them. |
jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 490
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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I was raised in a mixed religion household. My mother was atheist. My father was agnostic.
They took me to a Unitarian Church.
J.B.
I didn't bother with the Belief-O-matic. Can you blame me? |
AntoninaKC
Citizen
Username: Antoninakc
Post Number: 245
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:27 am: |
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interesting quiz.. never thought I was a unitarian universalist.
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (88%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (83%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (75%)
6. Neo-Pagan (74%)
7. Nontheist (71%)
8. New Age (61%)
9. Bahá'í Faith (60%)
10. Reform Judaism (54%)
11. Taoism (52%)
12. Mahayana Buddhism (51%)
13. Orthodox Quaker (48%)
14. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (47%)
15. New Thought (44%)
16. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (42%)
17. Scientology (37%)
18. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (36%)
19. Jainism (33%)
20. Sikhism (32%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (29%)
22. Jehovah's Witness (27%)
23. Islam (24%)
24. Seventh Day Adventist (19%)
25. Hinduism (17%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (15%)
27. Roman Catholic (15%)
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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 603
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 1:08 am: |
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Well I'm glad it says I'm a UU! YAY!
"I am what I am and that's all that I am" |
Me2
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Post Number: 237
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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hi Crazy_quilter,
I too have not found any middle ground, but am searching (mostly for my son's sake... he asks lots of deep questions). I think a non-denominational group might be a good fit. My mom and 2 of my 7 siblings are still SDA; the rest of us have totally backed away. Although I don't believe in most of the principles of the SDA church, I do appreciate the values that were instilled in all of us. It is amazing how everything I learned as a child, even the stuff I no longer believe in, still sticks with me (eg., still can't eat pork or shellfish...still can recite huge passages of the bible from memory... and am stuck with an over-active conscience!). |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 615
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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So the JW's were out today...walking...in the middle of my STREET! And the house across the street is having massive amounts of work done it as usual...they're lucky I didn't just hit 'em.... I had to honk and everything and they got all mad.. |
C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2550
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 7:59 am: |
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me2, we've got at least one former SDA family at our Unitarian Church in Summit. The thing about UUs, for me anyway, is that they encourage you to find your own middle ground within their community. So we have, and are influenced to some degree by, a wide variety of religions and religious experiences among our members. In our particular congregation we have people who are former (and sometimes ongoing) members of various Christian denominations, Jewish denominations, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Secular Humanists, etc. And our "scripture" draws from the wisdom of many different sources. Because people all over the world have been pondering many of these same questions both large and small over the entire history of humanity. We had an entire service in the past year built around the notion that there are a wide variety of "sacred sources" that we each use in our daily lives. Some are in the form of music or poetry or even a novel. We shared writings that had deeply influenced us.
Until this thread I hadn't realized how close the roots of SDA & JW were.
My brother, who has apparently begun a feud with me over my mother's estate, is a JW. An attorney acquaintance raised the question of honesty concerning my brother's handling of my mother's possessions. I told him unequivocally that I thought my brother was very honest (I thought it was part of his personality as well as his religious posture, or posturing) but now I'm not so sure. Geez, just when you think your life is basically settled something (or a ton of things) comes along and knocks your sense of balance off. Oh well. As the song says "I WILL SURVIVE." |
Me2
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Post Number: 238
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| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 8:36 am: |
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Thanks for the info C-Bataille. [BTW, from what I know of JW (very little), I don't think its roots are that close to SDA.] I think we will check out Unitarian/Summit. Is it a large congregation? |
Crazy_quilter
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Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 257
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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oops, i'm wrong! SDA's and JW's both started from William Miller and the Millerites! http://www.eaec.org/cults/jehovahswitness.htm
As far as estates go, i think from my experience with my husband's relatives that they are very concerned about getting as much money for their church as possible, so while they may be honest, they have a very strong belief that they need to obtain that money.
i like the Ethical Culture Society. We were married in the Ethical Culture Society in Brooklyn, and i could walk to the one here, but i never get around to it!
Me2 -- i had to laugh when you mentioned knowing scripture by heart! If there was a Bible Jeopardy i wouldn't be surprised if an SDA won. i used to be able to recognize if someone quoted an inaccurage chapter and verse.
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C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2555
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| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 1:35 pm: |
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CrazyQ - Yes, I am concerned that my daughter's future is being hijacked to finance a religion we have no love for. This is also a fight about my legitimate place in the family that raised me and whom I've identified and shared joys and sorrows with for nearly 5 decades.
We used to go to Ethical Culture here but it is a rather small, somewhat insular group, much in need of younger families. We began going immediately post-9/11, feeling a need for a spiritual framework of some sort. We stayed for several years without joining as the fit was not quite right for us. Plus, our daughter was often the only child attending the Sunday School program, or at most one of 3 or 4. It's very cerebral and well-meaning but something was missing for us.
Me2: We tried out the Unitarian Church in Summit on a lark (knew they were hosting a jazz service) and fell in love with the place and the people immediately. The place looks and feels like light and life in full measure. Sermons and discussions of challenges, joys, sorrows, but most of all human connectedness in full measure. The congregation is just over 400 (2 services) with a booming, vibrant Sunday School. Full classes for each grade level at both services. Lots of opportunites for celebration, socialization and serious study as well for people of all ages. An amazing music program incorporated into the weekly services plus extra-curricular music series as well.
Okay, this sounds like an ad. I really do love this place and the people who make it their spiritual home. Here's the website: http://www.ucsummit.org/ and a teaser from the Easter sermon planned by the Pastor, Vanessa Rush Southern:
Easter Sunday: Recalled to Life
We tend not to talk about it in polite company, but one truth is that we stand at the entrance to tombs everyday - the inevitable death of those we love, the loss of ideals, the vulnerability of everything we adore - and wake each day and decide how to live in the face of that. Easter is about being recalled to life outside that tomb and the miracle of whatever it is that again and again recalls us to life. What recalls us to life? |
Crazy_quilter
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Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 262
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 4:08 pm: |
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Arrrgggghhhh! They got me! the door bell rang this morning and L'il Crazy yelled "It's religious people! Hide!"
Then, "it's too late, they saw me! i thought they were gone!"
i answered the door because it was my uncle-in-law's late wife's sister and her husband. i opened the floodgates by saying, "did you know JW started from SDA?" They denied it at first, then admitted it saying that the 1,000 years of satan ruling the earth was the problem they had with SDA (and when they put it that way, it did sound a little nuts)! But then they started pressing me to get my beliefs. I told them i didn't want to talk about it. They kept pressing, "But you believe in God???", but i didn't want to discuss in front of my dtr. Finally they said they really didn't want to hear my beliefs but they wanted to tell me their beliefs. I said, "i'm sure you do!"
I kept looking at them thinking about how they scold my Uncle-in-law for buying a mattress or going to Atlantic City WITH HIS OWN MONEY, because they want to inherit it for the church. unfortunately he is illiterate and they handle all of his finances. She writes herself large checks to pay herself for helping him!
When Mr. Quilter came back from running they scurried out of the house without talking to him. I wonder if they have him marked down as hopeless and think i am a weak link?
i was trying to be nice, but i ended up feeling violated. i think they are really aggressive. |
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