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AlisonS
Citizen Username: Alisons
Post Number: 84 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 9:31 am: |
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SCHOOL DISTRICT OF SOUTH ORANGE AND MAPLEWOOD, NEW JERSEY 525 Academy Street, Maplewood, NJ 07040 Peter P. Horoschak, Ed.D. 973-762-5600 X 1821 Superintendent FAX: 973-378-9464 M E M O R A N D U M TO: Board of Education Members FM: Peter P. Horoschak DT: 30 March 2006 RE: Contract Renewal In order to put an end to speculation and avoid debate with regard to renewal of the Superintendent’s contract, I hereby serve notice that I intend to resign my position at the termination of my current contract, on June 30, 2007. This will provide the 2006-07 Board of Education an opportunity to plan for an orderly transition from my administration to that of a new school superintendent. Please know that I believe it to be a privilege to serve as Superintendent of the School District of South Orange and Maplewood. I have great respect for the administrators, teachers and support staff who serve in our schools. I also admire the members of the board of education, both past and present, who unselfishly volunteer their time on behalf of our school community. I am especially grateful for the support and professionalism of the members of my administrative council and the central office staff. The School District of South Orange and Maplewood has produced graduates of great distinction and continues to strive toward providing and exemplary educational experience for all of its students. I pledge to continue to work towards that end while I remain in office. PPH/sas C: All Staff and Community Leaders |
   
AlisonS
Citizen Username: Alisons
Post Number: 85 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 9:32 am: |
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I was sent a copy of the above memo by a friend, and then double checked by clicking on the Board of Ed website. It is also posted there.
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Brett Weir
Citizen Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1404 Registered: 4-2004

| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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So he gets to sit as a lame duck for a year and collect a huge salary while others wrestle with the myriad of divisive issues that he helped create and/or perpetuate? Seems fair to me... |
   
3ringale
Citizen Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 128 Registered: 1-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:38 am: |
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Will the BOE buy back his unused sick time? There was an article in the Star Ledger a couple of weeks ago about a Superintendent who cashed in his sick time to the tune of $80k. Nice work if you can get it. Cheers |
   
Tom Reingold
Supporter Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13346 Registered: 1-2003

| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Brett Weir, if his resignation were effective now or in June 2006, we'd be superintendant-less for a while. I'm not sure that would be better. Since the normal practice (the law?) gives him a year's notice that he's leaving (if the BOE were to dismiss him), it seems reasonable that he gave a year's notice.
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Sherlock
Citizen Username: Sherlock
Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2005
| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 8:23 pm: |
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Well I too wish he had left as of this june, ordinarily it would be a problem, the up the river with out kind. However, we have jim corino sitting over in the admin. bldg. and he would make a great superintendent. In fact he could be acting super for a year while we go through the mandatory search. We would have the opportunity to test drive him in that role. a luxury anytime and I think he is in fact a perfect choice for super. He did a fantastic job when he came on board at mms, and he has existing relationships in the community. He would be able to hit the ground running. Whereas most new supers have to go through a learning curve. |
   
ffof
Citizen Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4620 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 10:43 pm: |
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No Sh*t Sherlock! (I've been waiting to post that. All in fun.) |
   
Hank Zona
Supporter Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5395 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:53 pm: |
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there are 50 superintendent openings in NJ alone...what makes folks think he's definitely going to sit around on Academy St. until June 2007? |
   
FlyingSpaghettiMonst
Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage
Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 6:38 am: |
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It's a requirement of his contract??? |
   
Sherlock
Citizen Username: Sherlock
Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2005
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:10 am: |
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But what makes anyone think that he is going to be at all motivated to make the changes, ie pollack for a start, needed to get this district back on track. If he could have done the job I think he would have, the fact is he can't. And so now we are going to have one more year of failed leadership, except now, most people, board included, know it is failed. the are still laughing in albaqurque (however you spell it). |
   
crabby
Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 545 Registered: 1-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:16 am: |
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Chill-ax, as my kids say. |
   
Southorangemom
Citizen Username: Southorangemom
Post Number: 295 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 9:05 am: |
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I believe he is already looking for a job in another district and the BOE will release him in June 2006. No April Fool's. SouthOrangeMom |
   
Jeff Markel
Citizen Username: Jeffmarkel
Post Number: 143 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 11:29 am: |
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Please take a look at David Frazer's statement about the Superintendent, on his campaign website here. It's actually his candidate's statement for the upcoming News-Record (every year they publish statements from all the BOE candidates a week or two before the election). |
   
Brett Weir
Citizen Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1410 Registered: 4-2004

| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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Tom- I understand the law. I also understand that a lame duck superintendent can cause more harm than an acting one who may have a genuine interest in winning the position full-time. Horoschak has done nothing but divide the system almost from his arrival; even though it means buying him out, I think it's worth showing him the door. Why should he leave on his own terms just so he can secure his next position at leisure- let his next employers see exactly how disgusted his last district was with him. Think of it as a public service. |
   
Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 398 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 1:20 pm: |
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Jeff, David's criteria for a new Superintendent are very much like those Wayne and Jennifer have proposed since the beginning of this campaign: http://eastmanpayneparrish2006.org/pwhpos.htm. Of course, Wayne and Jennifer's call for new leadership is a large part of why we are seeking it in the first place. The best people to choose a new Superintendent are the ones who have known we need new one all along.
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wendy
Supporter Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2232 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 5:34 pm: |
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The best people to choose a new Superintendent are people who are absolutely honest and transparent in the use of their facts and figures and very prepared and knowledgeable regarding our entire school district's needs and monetary sources. That's just some of the reasons I'm supporting David and Gregg. Wayne and Jennifer's "call" and how they called for it just shows me that if a board of ed were composed of people just like them they wouldn't attract the best and brightest, imo. As far as knowing we need a "new one all along" are you saying that Wayne and Jennifer discount what the current superintendent has accomplished? |
   
nan
Citizen Username: Nan
Post Number: 2389 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 5:42 pm: |
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"The best people to choose a new Superintendent are the ones who have known we need new one all along." Odd logic. My experience with the Challengers has only made me wonder about what they claim to know. For example -- At the Maplewood Center, Jennifer Payne-Parrish announced a multiple ideas that she thought the district should implement (energy audit with corporate partnership, new windows, etc.), only to have David Frazer reply that every one of them had already been accomplished on his watch exactly as she described. Evidently, she had not KNOWN what has been going on. Wayne Eastman, criticized the approach of our Language Arts Program and then recommend a school in Newark that has a similar approach. Evidently, he had not KNOWN that. All I know is that if these are the people that have “known” we need a new Superintendent, than you have to wonder how they know what they supposedly know because it is not apparent from what they tell you they know.
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Concerned07040
Citizen Username: Concerned07040
Post Number: 104 Registered: 7-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 6:24 pm: |
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Anyone with personal contact with Dr. Peter Horoschak over the last 8 years knows he is a poor communicator, is frequently out of touch with what the community wants, has a history of promoting people to leadership positions who do not work well with others. As far as his accomplishments are concerned, I concede the demonstration school at Seth Boyden and the successful redistricting of our elementary schools. On the other hand, he was not the creator of Montrose; there was an alternative program at CHS for many years. He brought in a consultant named Marion Leibowitz and had much time and money spent on "the space plan" only to have few ideas really take hold. He touted Dr. Ron Ferguson, a Harvard economist [not an educator] who claimed his "Tripod Model of Instruction" was going to solve the achievement gap. In reality, it took an enormous amount of time and effort to complete Dr. Ferguson's multiple survey instruments. Little or nothing came of the data we submitted [other than giving more data to Dr. Ferguson]. He hired and granted tenure to Mrs. Renee Pollack, who has been the most divisive administrator in this district's history. So let's not mourn Dr. Horoschak and his team. They will not be missed. Concerned07040
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3mom
Citizen Username: 3mom
Post Number: 222 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 6:55 pm: |
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I agree with Nan. Gleason, Payne Parrish, Eastman and Brownlee haven't said anything that indicates they would hire the right person for the superintendent's job, not least because it seems like they didn't start paying all that much attention to what's going on in the district until the last year or so. For example, at the library debate, Mark Gleason claimed that all our schools should be demonstration schools just like Seth Boyden, which clearly shows he has no understanding of the primary reason the school was created. If all schools are like Seth Boyden, then people won't elect to send their kids there, and we're back to a racial imbalance and perhaps even mandatory redistricting. And, as Jennifer Payne Parrish herself stated, she had absolutely no idea the strategic planning process was happening in the district, even though she was reportedly active in the PTA at Clinton and all PTAs were solicited for volunteers and support (not to mention that the process was in the News Record many, many times, in BOE communications, etc). For someone who has been so interested in education and academic achievement, it sure seems like she should have known about the strategic planning program. I think we deserve people on the board who have bothered to learn and understand district history and who can demonstrate that they have an active interest in the district's policies and programs that started more than a few months ago.
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Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 399 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 7:15 pm: |
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Well, our incumbents' supporters have nothing left but outright distortion. Nan, Wayne was talking about relative performance, not comparative curriculum. 3mom, Mark said all our schools should be great and learn from one another -- if integration depends on districtwide mediocrity, we really are in trouble. And Jennifer's point was that she wasn't "planning" because she was actually _tutoring_ on a volunteer basis while that meeting was held. But I appreciate the concession that David and Gregg supported Dr. Horoschak's renewal, and I'll agree that David was right about the energy audit. So let voters decide: do they want someone who gets the storm windows right? or someone who gets the chief executive right?
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Gregg Betheil
Citizen Username: Greggbetheil
Post Number: 114 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
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Gordon: "The best people to choose a new Superintendent are the ones who have known we need new one all along." As I voted against the Superintendent's renewal 3 years ago, I do appreciate your implied endorsement. Gregg |
   
johnny
Citizen Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1608 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:21 pm: |
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Gregg- So now you promote your vote 3 years ago?? We asked you, on MOL, a few weeks ago how you would vote on Super H's contract renewal. You REFUSED to answer, saying that you were not decided yet and you felt it was premature to have an opinion. Quite an about face on your part. |
   
johnny
Citizen Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1609 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:22 pm: |
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As for Super H's resignation. Thank goodness. I'm glad Super H had the guts to do what the BOE did not. |
   
nan
Citizen Username: Nan
Post Number: 2390 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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Gordon, The Strategic Planning process went on for months, with sub-committees meeting on a weekly basis on different nights of the week. Jennifer Payne-Parish had plenty of opportunity to be involved (or to discover its existence). If she was too busy for even that small commitment, how is she going to handle the heavy time demands of being on the BOE? And Wayne's speech did appear to connect specific type of curriculums to outcomes. I’m sure many uninformed listeners came away with that understanding. To me, he makes more sense when he's talking about porno and toilet seat positions. |
   
Gregg Betheil
Citizen Username: Greggbetheil
Post Number: 115 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 9:16 pm: |
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Johnny: What I said a few weeks ago, in addition to indicating the way I had voted 3 years ago, was that it was not appropriate for a sitting Board member to take a position in advance of the decision, as we still needed to work with the Super on budget and other items. I believe I said something on the order of, don't think it is a good idea to give him a blanket endorsement, or to tell him I don't think he's doing a good job, and then, go get back to work. I also remember saying, immediately after the 7-2 vote 3 years ago, that with the vote behind us and the Board as a whole having spoken, that we needed to put differences aside and get to work. I worked to engage the superintendent in important discussions relating to strategic planning and measurement, among other topics. I'm not sure that sulking for 3 years would have been a good strategy. Rather, we cast our votes, the Board speaks, and we move ahead. I don't think I was raising anything new in my post. At best, I was repeating things I said a few weeks ago when I posted on the topic. I did think it was somewhat of a distortion to suggest that Wayne and Jennifer were the first on the scene. Gregg |
   
johnny
Citizen Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1611 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 9:45 pm: |
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Gregg- The choice of quotes in your post (Gordon: "The best people to choose a new Superintendent are the ones who have known we need new one all along.") is a clear attempt to have people believe you were going to vote against Super H's contract renewal. You clearly stated a few weeks ago you had no opinion yet. Now you are implying you knew we needed a new Superintendent all along. Which is the truth? |
   
Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 400 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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[Edited. I'll reply more fully later. [But in the meantime I must note that while Gregg is spinning, his proxy is slandering his opponent right before him -- and without a single word from Gregg condemning that for the crap that it is. [Wendy, if that's the "absolute honesty you are looking for, we are not speaking the same language.]
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Jeff Markel
Citizen Username: Jeffmarkel
Post Number: 144 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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Gordon - just because you didn't SEE the Board at work doesn't mean they weren't doing anything. Nor should you have seen anything but a fait accompli. Members of the Board, unlike those not in such a position of authority, have the moral, ethical, and legal obligation not to comment publicly on district personnel matters - regardless of how those comments might play on the political stage. Nonetheless, David Frazer has made his criteria for judging the success (and/or future viability) of a Superintendent known publicly for some time - and it was available on his website long before Wayne & Jennifer's was anything but an empty white page. |
   
Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 401 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 10:24 pm: |
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Then, Jeff, they should have said "I can't discuss that." They did discuss it, badly, and their supporters claim that we should have known from their body language they would vote against. It's an odd ethic that condemns forthright talk with voters but allows a nudge and a wink. Wayne and Jennifer's statement is distinguishe from David's by the important fact that they said what they would do.
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johnny
Citizen Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1612 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 10:31 pm: |
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Jeff- Your characterization of the Superintendent's contract status as a "district personnel matter" is ridiculous. The future of the entire district was riding on this issue. None of the incumbents had the backbone to state their position, pure and simple. Everyone was trying to ride the fence in order to not offend anyone. |
   
Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 402 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Exactly. What kind of democracy is it where the governed can't have a full discussion of the governor?
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Jim McLaughlin
Citizen Username: Jmclaugh
Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2005
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 10:37 pm: |
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I agree Gordon, body language is not an effective communication device. Should we vote for ..... .....a candidate who said publicly, "At this point, I do not see our current superintendent as an individual who could lead us forward effectively, with all respect to significant accomplishments that he has made in the past." and/or a candidate who said publicly, "If Dr. Horoshak seeke renewal, his record whatever one may think of it, is not going to be sufficient to merit a new contract." |
   
3mom
Citizen Username: 3mom
Post Number: 223 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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Gordon Agress: Perhaps Mark Gleason thinks all our schools should be great. However, his goal of transforming all students into advanced proficient students without proposing any methodology to accomplish that goal with below proficient students -- who have serious social needs in addition to academic needs -- contradicts that assumption. In addition, Mr. Gleason's standard practice of answering questions about Seth Boyden by talking about all the other schools in the district instead indicates that he either doesn't know enough about the school to answer, or he doesn't care enough. Whatever his reasoning, Mr. Gleason's position may pose some problems for him, because if the demonstration school fails, we will be redistricted or have mandatory bussing, and I think Mr. Gleason's support base would be pretty upset about that. And Nan is right: the strategic planning process went on for months and months and months. There's something really wrong with a BOE candidate who claims to have been interested in local educational policy and practice for a decade yet completely missed this whole event. Jennifer Payne Parrish should not only have been familiar with the process, she should have been involved. I think ignorance is pretty much inexcusable for a BOE member. |
   
sbenois
Supporter Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14857 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 11:58 pm: |
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Quote:Posted by Gregg Betheil on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 2:11 am: Sorry for the delay in posting responses. I am traveling on business 2 time zones away and have been traveling most of the day. Frankly, I find myself wondering where you all find the time, as there was quite a flurry of responses so early in the morning and well into the afternoon. I figured I’d try and answer the questions posed directly to me as best I can, so here goes: 1. Johnny: Gregg- How do you feel about renewing the Superintendent's contract? Certainly a question which will be a fixture in the upcoming election. Those that have followed the Board know that I weigh each decision and vote based on the information available to me at the time—in this case, June of 2006. I think a better question of potential board members is to ask what criteria they would use to decide. I suggest that for a few reasons, the least of which is that the decision is still 4 months away and a lot can change in the time (for the better or the worse). I think it is a mistake to unequivocally support renewing or denying the Superintendent’s next contract at this point, too much can change. Besides, whichever way one might feel about the Superintendent’s performance, after the decision is made by June 30, there are still 3 years left to sit on the Board and I’d want to know how Board members plan to bide the rest of their time. Lest you think I’m trying to duck the question, or better yet guess which side I fall on, let me save you the trouble. I honestly DON’T have a position at this point, and believe that to be consistent with my Board conduct over the past 3 years. I’d remind you that I am the only sitting Board member to have voted against contract renewal in 2003 and have also supported his vision publicly on numerous occasions. The process of evaluating any superintendent’s performance is a complex one, given the many dimensions of the job—some easily assessed publicly, others within the confines of Board personnel deliberations. I hope that the public trusts in the entire Board to conduct such evaluations in an honest, fair and comprehensive manner—I believe we do, as that has been my experience over the past three years. What criteria will I use to inform my decision if I’m still around in June: a) Implementation of the Strategic Plan. The Board engaged the community in a lengthy process to develop a vision and associated plan for the district. That plan is now in the hands of our district leadership and it is their task to implement the plan accordingly. A coordinating committee has been operationalizing aspects of the plan over the past few months since its adoption by the Board. I expect to see clear steps toward fulfilling its promise prior to June. b) Measurement – With a plan and essential efforts in place, a clear and consistent approach to measuring our progress on each of the 3 goal areas of the Strategic Plan is essential. The Board plays a critical role in defining these measures (see prior post about the measurement workshop of 2/28), but it is incumbent upon the Superintendent to embrace the measures to be adopted and accept accountability for performance against them. c) Communications: Measuring progress is one thing, clearly communicating the implications reasonably drawn from the data, both positive and negative, is an essential element of leadership. d) Leadership: With so many leadership transitions in our schools in the past few years, we are at a critical point in determining the future of many of our school communities. New leadership is ripe with opportunity and challenge. Assessing how we have managed these transitions should be an important criterion. e) Renewal at CHS – The strategic plan speaks directly to this, both in terms of ensuring academic excellence and addressing the equity concerns that have been raised by CHS students around the leveling system (and before any rumors get started here, there’s no plan to eliminate levels at the High School, nor has any member of the Board or of MLKA that I’ve spoken with suggested we develop one). There is much about the Columbia program to be praised—and like most high schools across the country, much we need to reflect on in defining the future of this prized community institution. How we plan to approach this task should be an important criterion as well. 2. J. Crohn: Gregg: "I hope others will lend their voices to the Board's deliberations and help define a sensible approach." I would be very interested to learn what you believe, at this point, would constitute a sensible approach. Jennifer, not surprisingly I think it maps to the Strategic plan, with three broad brush strokes to frame what I believe could begin to constitute a sensible approach: a) Measuring the value added of district programs in moving students along the continuum to advanced proficient. b) Gauging the climate in the district (from student discipline issues, to grievances, to those lovely thank you notes the Board gets from the community each year. c) What do we get for our money—a services view of the school budget, tied to a) above. d) Looking at student growth, in addition to comparisons across cohorts. 3. CageyD: Greg, please respond to this startling information regarding the comparison of Jefferson to Abington? I find it to be completely unacceptable, revealing tremendous failures in our system. Other than perhaps exploring what we could learn from Abington’s approach or any other high performing school, I’m not sure the comparison itself is a concern of mine. The scores at all of our schools, Jefferson included, all have room for improvement and our efforts should be focused, as I believe they have been, on the interventions that will move each of our students and schools forward. That said, I think Bob got it right in reminding us that we have a persistent achievement gap, mirrored in communities across the country, around which we are collectively struggling to determine its roots and remedies. Considering all the administrators who are paid to ensure that our academic programs are being effectively administered how can you justify these scores? A) If you are suggesting that administrators should be held accountable for student performance—YES. So should teachers and parents-and particularly at our secondary schools, the students themselves as well. B) If this is another swipe at our “bloated administrative ranks” please read the administrative analysis prepared for the budget process. Our per pupil admin costs are below the county average and potentially falling further. Finally, please answer the question as to whether you will support renewing Super H's contract. See my answer above—couldn’t answer between 1 a.m. and 10:30 a.m. as I left for the airport at 4:30 and they made me turn off my blackberry when they closed the door (by the way, does anyone know how to post to MOL from a handheld?) 4. Dusya: Gregg Betheil, you said: "My hope was, and continues to be, that as a community, we can agree on a model for conveying performance in a clear and consistent way so that the data can speak for itself." The NJ Department of Education has already given us a way to convey performance in a clear and consistent way-- the state assessments in grades 3, 4, 8 & 10. This year state assessments will also be administered in grades 5, 6, & 7. Response: I’d buy that, except the state hasn’t been so good at meeting deadlines for developing the tests and moving them out of field testing. As such, without tests in place that allow assessment of growth from year to year of particular cohorts of students (this year’s 3rd graders, next year’s 4th and so on), it is hard to assess the value added of district interventions. Even the USDOE has begun to explore the potential implications of allowing “growth models” in assessing AYP, though the 2014 targets don’t change. Heck the 5, 6 and 7 tests haven't been given yet. Of course we’ll use the state tests (we have to), but let’s not pretend that we’ve had a comprehensive assessment system in the state up to this point. Dusya: The data from the current state assessments speaks for itself. The NJ State Report Card shows that we could be doing better. Instead of spending time and energy creating our own internal assessments, let's work on improving student achievement on the assessments that already exist. Clearly, in such schools as University High in Newark and William F. Halloran in Jersey City, improving student achievement is the first course of business. Improving student achievement needs to be the first course of business in South Orange-Maplewood. Response: No one is suggesting that we create our own internal assessments. Rather, the question is how do we aggregate the range of data sources available to us to best portray academic progress in the district, assess the impact of our intervention programs on improving performance over time, and do so in a way that can be clearly communicated to the public and useful to our instructional staff in monitoring student progress and gauging their own effectiveness. Stop by the workshop on the 28th for a preview—your input is most welcome. 5. Concerned07040: My comments to Gregg reflect my personal frustration with the strategic planning process. An enormous amount of time and money [staffing time and real $] has been devoted to this process. As a parent and taxpayer, I have yet to see any benefits. Agreed. See 1 a above, and remember it’s a 5 year plan, so I’m not naïve enough to believe things change overnight. But the plan must guide district practice or the effort will have been a waste. Hold us to it. The ultimate answer, however, is “42.” Though as Douglas Adams queried, does anyone remember the question? Gregg (who will be offline until at least tomorrow night if not Thursday...so have at each other in my absence).
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Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 403 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 12:40 am: |
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I said I wanted people who have called for new leadership throughout the campaign. Gregg says above, that's me, on the strength of a vote 3 years ago. But the quote, helpfully provided by sbenois, was: "I honestly DON’T have a position at this point" This never made sense -- he's had three years to think about the most important question before him and he has no opinion? What is he going to learn between March and June? And how exactly are we supposed to have democratic government without discussing this? But now he's saying he's always been against. No doubt we'll get some long answer trying to square all this. If readers find all this tedious, they should ask: why is it so hard to understand what a candidate was saying on what was the most important question in the campaign? Wouldn't this be easier if his comments were clear and consistent? Wendy, I'll grant that the incumbents have a greater grasp of the district's administrative detail. That stuff matters, but it can be learned, and some of the challengers are learning very quickly. Straightforward talk about how we are doing, and how we start to fix it, is a lot harder, and a lot more important. Wayne, Jennifer and Mark were clear when that clarity was a risk. That's honesty, and that's what we need if we are going to rebuild the community's confidence in the Board.
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sbenois
Supporter Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14859 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 12:48 am: |
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Technically, it came from Sbenois Logistics.
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Jim McLaughlin
Citizen Username: Jmclaugh
Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2005
| Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 8:41 am: |
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"If readers find all this tedious, they should ask: why is it so hard to understand what a candidate was saying on what was the most important question in the campaign? Wouldn't this be easier if his comments were clear and consistent?" At the Hilton debate, Wayne Eastman said the following: "At this point, I do not see our current superintendent as an individual who could lead us forward effectively, with all respect to significant accomplishments that he has made in the past." At the Hilton debate, David Frazer said the following: "If Dr. Horoschak seeke renewal, his record whatever one may think of it, is not going to be sufficient to merit a new contract." There was no nudge or wink, nor use of body language. Their statements were clear enough. And both have been consistent - I've heard them repeat it at coffees. I've read it in the News-Record. It's posted on their website. David Frazer, as a sitting BOE member had to be careful as to how he articulated this position. It would have been inappropriate, unethical, and perhaps illegal to comment directly on personnel issues. Wayne Eastman was free to say whatever he wanted. Face it, the issue of the superintendent's renewal is history. Wayne, Jennifer and the other challengers lost an issue that they were going to run on. It was a polarizing one and one that they and their supporters clearly thought they could use to get elected. It is time to stop beating a dead horse. There are more than enough vital issues left to debate.
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Gordon Agress
Citizen Username: Odd
Post Number: 404 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 9:04 am: |
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In the same post you claim that David's position was "clear" AND that he could not "comment directly on personnel issues." Well, which is it? And while your quote sounds negative toward renewal, you omit David's talk that his decision will be made on what Dr. H would have done in the future. David was rejecting not a person but a particular way of making a decision. He never said what he decision he would make. There is plenty of work still to be done. Who should do it -- people who talk straight? Or people who think honest discussion is "polarizing"?
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Amateur Night
Citizen Username: Deborahg
Post Number: 1810 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 9:05 am: |
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I am SO THRILLED that H will be gone. I met him last year at an ACHIEVE event and heard him speak. It was appalling how out of touch he seemed with his audience and the issues at hand. |
   
sbenois
Supporter Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14860 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 9:08 am: |
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Official Verdict: Frazer was pretty clear Betheil was not Next subject please. |
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