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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 590
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:19 pm: | 
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The point is that there never has been...nor will their ever be a war on drugs. Until the CIA and government stop lying about what they have been doing and are continuing to do in inner cities...the problem will not be solved. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2860
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:25 pm: |
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LW, except that drugs are considered to be an urban problem. So police in cities spend more of their time on drug-related crimes. Plus, suburban drug dealing is done in people's basements or in school. Urban drug deaing is done on streetcorners. So the likelihood of getting caught is greater.
I don't want you to think I believe enforcement of the laws is done fairly. But there is a difference between the intent of a law, and how it is enforced. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2861
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:26 pm: |
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Also, I'll stop talking about this, since it is a distraction from what you are trying to talk about - which I think is a very worthwhile discussion. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1199
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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NoHero-Thanks for doing the homework, it is kind of hard at work. 
LW-
So, as we see, thanks to NoHero, DFZ are state law, therfore protecting ALL schools. So may I ask again:
Irvington is close to 80% minority (75% Black). If Irvington schools participate in drug free zones then how is this discrminatory against minorties?
Also, you and JPI fail to realize that you start your entire argument on a non-factual claim, drugs are used and sold by Blacks and whites at about the same rate, which ultimately weakens your argument. Do you have hard data to support this claim because at this point it is merely an assumption.
-SLK
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J. Crohn
Supporter
Username: Jcrohn
Post Number: 2524
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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"For whatever reasons, marijuana is the drug of choice for whites, and it's penalties are very minor compared with crack, which is the drug of choice for many minorities, and is much more dangerous, addictive and violence inducing."
The drugs of choice for whites over the last two decades have been Ecstasy, powder cocaine, and/or crystal methamphetmine. Everybody who uses drugs--black, white, or other--smokes pot. |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 651
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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Bob K, I totally agree.
Gotta give it to you Rastro. Good point. |
LW
Citizen
Username: Lrw
Post Number: 83
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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NOHERO-Thank you for the information, it saves alot of typing.
SLK- "drug-free zones"="non-violent offense"
Colleges are not drug-free zones, but all other schools are (*refer to Nohero's last post). Also, it is important to think of the geographic landscape of communities, not just the racial makeup.
And, no, no other factors contribute to the zones, just distance.
Perhaps you should reread the article that you said you printed, it should describe how the drug-free zones are unsuccessful and ineffective, and how the Commission is looking to tailor them, not abolish them.
I don't have any children.
Lastly, you should definitely petition our state legislators about allowing a bill to be passed based on "flimsy inductive logic", as you put it.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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Glock 17:
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this comment you made?
"Until the CIA and government stop lying about what they have been doing and are continuing to do in inner cities..."
What are you exactly implying (I don't wish to assume)?
Thanks...
-SLK |
LW
Citizen
Username: Lrw
Post Number: 84
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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SLK-Just for you:
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______________________________
Extent of Use
The 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health showed that the highest rate of lifetime illicit drug use was among American Indians/Alaskan Natives (62.4%), followed by persons with two or more races (60.1%), Native Hawaiian/other Pacific Islander (51.0%), whites (49.2%), and black/African Americans (44.6%). The lowest rate of lifetime illicit drug use was among Hispanics (37.0%) and Asians (25.6%).2
The percent of individuals reporting current use of illicit drugs was as follows: 12.1% of American Indian/Alaska Natives, 12.0% of those reporting two or more races, 11.1% of Native Hawaiian/other Pacific Islanders, 8.7% of blacks/African Americans, 8.3% of whites, 8.0% of Hispanics, and 3.8% of Asians.3
The Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) surveys high school students on several risk factors including drug and alcohol use. The 2003 report showed that 23.9% of black, 23.8% of Hispanic, 21.7% of white, and 21.2% of "other" race high school students were current marijuana users.4
According to 2003 findings from the Monitoring the Future study, current and lifetime use of illicit drugs was lower for black 8th, 10th, and 12th graders than white and Hispanic students. Among 12th graders, whites tended to have the highest rates of lifetime use for a number of drugs, including marijuana, inhalants, hallucinogens, LSD, heroin, ecstasy, amphetamines, sedatives (barbiturates), tranquilizers, and narcotics other than heroin. Hispanic seniors had the highest rate of lifetime usage for cocaine (all forms) and crystal methamphetamine ("ice").5
Health Effects
Drug Episode: A drug-related ED episode is an ED visit that was induced by or related to the use of drug(s).
According to the Drug Abuse Warning Network emergency department (ED) data, there were a total of 670,307 drug-related ED episodes during 2002. The majority of the episodes involved whites (372,727), followed by African Americans (142,974) and Hispanics (79,098).6
Treatment
According to the Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS), 58.8% of those admitted to treatment facilities in the U.S. during 2002 were white.7
Arrests & Sentencing
There were a total of 1,745,712 state and local arrests for drug abuse violations in the United States during 2004. Of the 1,745,712 drug abuse violations with race information available, 65.8% of those arrested were white, 32.9% were black, 0.7% were Asian or Pacific Islander, and 0.6% were American Indian or Alaskan Native.8
In FY 2003 there were 25,990 Federal defendants charged with a drug offense. More than a quarter (27.1%) of the defendants were white, 28.2% were black, and 43.3% were Hispanic. Individuals of another race made up 2.5% of the drug cases. The drug most often involved in Hispanic cases was Heroin. Methamphetamine was the most common drug type for whites and crack cocaine was the most common drug type for blacks.9
Of the individuals convicted of felony drug offenses in State courts during 2000, 53% were black and 46% were white. One percent of the offenders were of another race.10
During 2001, there were a total of 1,208,700 sentenced State prison inmates, 246,100 of whom were incarcerated for drug offenses. The majority of drug offenders held in State prisons were black (139,700), followed by whites (57,300), and Hispanics (47,000).11
A 1997 Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) survey of prison inmates showed that prior drug use among State prison inmates varied little by race. Approximately 84% of both white and black inmates and 81% of Hispanic inmates had used drugs in the past. The percentage of inmates that used drugs at the time of their offense was also similar for all races. Approximately one third of Hispanic (33.0%), black (31.9%), and white (33.9%) State prison inmates had used drugs at the time of their offense.12
During 1995 there were a total of 2,065,896 State and local probationers; of that total, 20% (414,832) were on probation for a drug offense. White probationers (73%) had the highest rate of prior drug use, followed by black probationers (68%) and Hispanics (56%). Drug use at the time of the offense was similar for white (14%) and black (15%) probationers, and lowest for Hispanics (11%).13
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LW
Citizen
Username: Lrw
Post Number: 85
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
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BTW, here's the link, just in case you think that the JCI, or I made that all up:
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/minorities/index.html |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1201
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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LW-
Thank you for the data. I was not affirming nor denying the claim, only seeking clarification.
-SLK |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6029
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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LW,
It's not such a silly question - I always thought drugs should be legalized and I am dead serious.
J Crohn - Where do you get your data? |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 592
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
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http://www.guerrillafunk.com/video/cia.html |
LW
Citizen
Username: Lrw
Post Number: 86
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 2:29 pm: |
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SLK-You're welcome. And I hope that the data clarified any points that I cited, in what may have initially seemed like it was mere speculation.
MEM-I apologize, but I thought that you were being sarcastic about legalizing drugs. |
efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 16
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
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J CROHN,I just want to clarify one more time.....
The film done by Chris Thorne is not the one that had anything to do with
the million man march. It was about the Black Panthers and the transition of an empowered group of black youth to the hip hop culture that is totally opposite that we see now.(at least thats my interpretation)
Our organization will be meeting April 22nd and will show the film again, for all who are interested in seeing the film. This will allow everyone to speak on the facts and not tid bits of truth or mixed info.
The students, faculty and parents petitioned to have this film shown, we still do not know today how after the BOE said the kids were to finally have a Black History Month program that they had input into, how this film made its way in.
It film was not an issue or really even on the table.
My opinion(from being part of all of this and having spoken to the principal at length) I believe she threw this film in there, knowing that it could create a controversy and thereby prove her somehow right for her behavior with the MLKA group. I think she could see that the public was becoming "hip" to her game and she wanted something to try and rally support for her, but to also embattle the students and parents(me) that did a good job of exposing her
Bullcrap.
Don't believe the hype. |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 652
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 8:58 am: |
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efull, where is the film being shown on April 22nd? |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1217
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:22 am: |
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what happen to the sitdown? |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 653
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:58 am: |
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Well SLK, IMO, it seems as though a conversation such as the one being had on this thread is too controversial, emotional and judgemental to be had in a face-to-face sitdown.
Hence, why race relations will always be a problem. People just don't want to deal with it. Its like a drug addict or alcoholic who won't admit they have a problem, denial.
No offense to anyone though, its no different anywhere else in this country. Race is one topic very difficult for multi-races to deal with openly.
Viva la labels, stereotypes and prejudices! |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 605
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
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Bklyn...people who aren't affected by race problems don't want to deal with them...
everyone else is ready to move! |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 654
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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That's true G 17, look at the other thread on institutional racism. It goes on and on... People love to talk about race anonymously.
Race is personal. No one wants people to know their personal faults. That's why Jews will not allow you to say anything negative about a Jew. If you do, you're an anti-semite. Say anything bad about an AA, you're a racist. Say anything bad about an Irish, Italian, German, ... you're a bigot.
Which is why AAs were upset with Bill Cosby.
"Bill, what the hell are you doing? Close the front door and stop letting everyone know our business"  |
efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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We will be at Seton Hall University
April 22nd 4pm. I am calling the person who is organizing it right now But the room is be be announced. |
efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:57 pm: |
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Notorious S L K, I forgot Friday was Good Friday. I think we need to do this and it would be good for all of us. (Or I just maybe excited about yet another reason to drink wine)
Do we know of another place to have this discussion that we could bring wine and that could fit about 15 people or so? Or if not lets try for next weekend
maybe Sunday afternoon, then that way everyone will have seen both films at the Seton Hall meeting on April 22nd.
Sorry, I kinda dropped the ball by not checking the calendar first.
Anyone want to try their home? me casa su casa- but my casa is a little small maybe their backyard deck maybe -.... just thinking out loud |
Sherlock
Citizen
Username: Sherlock
Post Number: 45
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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Hey, efull, what about the dancing goat? if there isn't a band performing there that night the back room would work. And I think you can byow, but I am not sure. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 607
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 1:30 pm: |
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I wont be back in town (after this weekend ) until may 8th |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 655
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 1:32 pm: |
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Thanks efull.
What? This discussion might actually take place? |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1220
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 2:24 pm: |
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I am all for this sitdown but please allow some more time to plan this event. I have a 2 year old and a pregant wife (due in two weeks) to consider.
Oh and one request for this meeting. ALL political correctness needs to be left at the doorstep.
-SLK
bklyntonj-I have tried to set up meetings to discuss a whole host of issues (political, etc.) but most people refuse. I think some people just feel powerful behind a keyboard and mouse.... |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 657
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 3:03 pm: |
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I know SLK, I know...
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efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 5:30 pm: |
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Sherlock.. do you know the lady at the dancing goat.
I just left Centanni, do you think Chris would let us have a weekday lunch there and talk, plus drink.
Since Notorious said leave the political correctness at the door, the liquor may be necessary to get us all free flowing ... and growing .
So people are we talking about the Weekend of MAy 8th?
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 608
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 6:31 pm: |
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Jeez. Is drinking really that important? |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 483
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:20 pm: |
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Wendy (way back there),
The real reason you'll never be able to talk to me about racial matters is because you keep announcing you won't, as you often do on MOL, only to turn about 2 seconds later to keep trying to discuss it. It's become mechanical.
Also because you'd rather attribute to me sentiments I don't have then take the time or the chance to find out the truth. And it's just so much more satisfying, I'm sure, to keep aggrandizing yourself as some pure vessel of open-mindedness without ever putting it to a test, and demonizing somebody else -- something in the same breath you claim you never do!
But I wasn't rearranging my calendar anyway, so don't worry about it.
It's NOT a distortion that many of the people whom you find most amusing on MOL and whom you constantly cheer when they demonize others have been responsible for the most racially and religiously bigoted remarks that have appeared on MOL, and you defend them. That's a fact.
The reason you find yourself at odds with me (and others) is a difference in values and how you live. That's all. I don't value what you do -- and it appears to make you angry. (And please spare us all another recitation of how you thank god every day your such a wonderful person. We know you feel that way.)
I think I read somewhere Louis Farrakhan is a big supporter of skate parks.
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kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 484
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:21 pm: |
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Funny, Glock!
I think they really do think they need drugs to get through this! |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1223
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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Glock-
Drinking rocks...
-SLK |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2343
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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Kathleen, enjoy your self-pontificating. It's because of statements of yours such as: "I don't value what you do -- and it makes you angry" (in addition to the vitriol that spews out of your mouth) that I can't communicate with you. Nothing more; nothing less. Although you keep trying to make it more. Your choice; your weakness; your blinders.
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kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 485
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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So why keep talking? Especially since you keep repeating the same things? Haven't you noticed? who are you really trying to convince?
Vitriol. Blinders. It's always the same cliches. You don't mind any of these things, by the way, from selected people and make excuses for it. Like I said, we have different values -- and it makes you angry. And you can't let it go. You just keep announcing why you're not going to keep doing what you've been announcing you're going to stop doing for at least a year.
Not that such behaivior isn't typical on MOL. I think that's one of the signs of addiction, isn't it? Maybe you should study normal psychology for awhile. Start with yourself.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 612
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:09 pm: |
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Wendy you still haven't supported your statement or answered my question. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2350
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 4:16 pm: |
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Quote:So why keep talking?
Kathleen, when someone tells lies about me or others, I feel compelled to defend them. That's been the only type of talking I've been doing regarding your posts, as opposed to some others.
Glock, I posted my beliefs about my perceptions of some CHS teachers way back. I thought I made it clear then and would rather not repeat myself.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 625
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 5:31 pm: |
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Oh because they looked at reality and decided that if someone bulldozed their house they'd probably come back blasting?
Yeah, that's real antisemtic. Anti-israeli policy and anti-semetic are two decidedly different things.
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Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2355
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 8:22 pm: |
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Glock I truly hope you grow up enough to see more of the complexity in this and other issues. Not that even folks older than you are willing or able to acknowledge complexity. But one can only hope. And I truly hope that you didn't learn what you just spouted at CHS because that just further proves my point. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 637
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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No I looked at what Israel is doing and formed a logical conclusion |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 486
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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My perceptions are likewise, Wendy, especially that you won't take responsibility for what you've posted or said to others. I'm ready to think you may be laboring under a misunderstanding that drives you to this kind of rhetoric and a hair-trigger defensiveness. But think about whether much of the rhetoric on MOL you've posted you find amusing or that you want to defend or applaud has been both racially and religiously bigoted, or could quite reasonably appear to be so to anyone who is a member of the insulted group. That isn't to say you're a bigot, but to wonder why you think you have any credibility when it comes ascertaining lies, insults and verbal abuse.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 640
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 4:14 pm: |
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Columbia HS is NOT anti-semetic and I have yet to see information to prove otherwise |
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