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Crazy_quilter
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Post Number: 246
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
sorry, don't know where to post this kind of thought anymore!
this is about the Pollack interview in the News REcord.
it sounds like someone told the reporter the board had made a decision about her, then the reporter interviewed her and she said things like she can still run the school and still wants to. Then the reporter informed her about the board's decision, which she didn't know about! am i misreading this? doesn't that seem like an unethical and also cruel way to learn you are fired?
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frannyfree
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
This BOE has always been cruel in the way they fire someone.
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joel dranove
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Post Number: 321
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 2:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Which board member leaked the poison to the press?


jd
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ess
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
So has she been "fired" or not?

I was under the impression that she was given tenure, which I believed to mean she would not get fired.

Huh?
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joel dranove
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Post Number: 323
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 3:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Seems someone on the board still doesn't like the tenure decision.
Maybe another idea about the reason for the false leak is out there.
She is tenured.
And the district will not survive well another high profile forced departure.
jd
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Dave
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 3:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
The reporter got played. He'll not trust his source again.
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 3:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hmmm, did he cross-check with other sources, given the very personal and highly charged nature of the information?
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Crazy_quilter
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 4:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
When i read it more carefully, it said that she could choose to go to south mountain or seth boyden because she has tenure. she was being asked to leave CHS. but i guess Dave is saying that she is not being asked by the board to leave CHS?
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breal
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 4:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Maybe it was someone in administration.
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joel dranove
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Post Number: 328
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 4:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Our own Cheney.
Dick, not Lynne.
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bottomline
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 5:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Played, shmayed! ESL is right, the reporter should have checked his sources before putting something that sensitive into print. This is just sloppy journalism. Although, to be honest, I try not to use the term journalism in the context of the News-Record.
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Concerned07040
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 7:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Joel wrote:
And the district will not survive well another high profile forced departure.

The district will survive with or without Renee Pollack.
Maybe, if she's such a great principal [as was touted when she came to us from Bushwick] she would like to work at Seth Boyden.

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Joan
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 8:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
It is because of stories like this one that I have cancelled my subscription to the News Record.

I cannot imagine how they could consider themselves to be a legitimate newspaper and conduct an iterview in the manner reported in this thread. Does the article state anywhere who the source of the allegation of Ms. Pollack's firing was? Wouldn't you think the reporter or at least the editor would have called the Board of Education's administration office to verify the allegation and to confirm whether Ms. Pollack had been informed of the alleged Board decision before confronting Ms. Pollack in this manner? Shouldn't the article also have contained quotes from the Administration and or the School Board relating to this decision?
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Duncan
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Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
It was in the News Record...nuff Said
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Paul Surovell
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 7:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Here's the quote from the News-Record. My reading of it is that the BOE has thus far "agreed" -- not clear what "privately" means here -- to ask Ms. Pollack to step down as CHS principal and to accept another principal position in the district.

But this doesn't mean that the BOE has "agreed" (privately) to fire Pollak if she declines the "approach."

Quote:

Pollack said she wants to stay on as principal. But the South Orange­ Maplewood Board of Education last week agreed privately to approach her about stepping down as principal, a high- ranking school official said.
“ I know nothing about that,” Pollack said Wednesday.

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C Bataille
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 9:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Concerned: just who is it you are concerned for??? You want to put this embattled high school principal at an elementary school that has had what,
5 principals in 6 years????? If you think that the best way to manage a problem is just to shift the problematic personnel to a new location I'd suggest you ask the Catholic hierarchy how well that worked for them.

Joel DWM Dranove: "the district will not survive well another high profile forced departure." What kind of nonsense is that? What will cause serious harm to the district is keeping people in high-level positions that they are clearly not suited for. Too bad the BOE and super didn't give Pollock another probationary year to reflect the community's and faculty's reservations. But the answer to a mistake is not to keep doing the same thing. It's actually a popular definition of insanity.
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C Bataille
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I'm trying to shift this discussion to the Education section where it belongs. Please see my thread titled "CHS Principal position."
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sbenois
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 2:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
And the facts that you've used to decide that Ms. Pollack is "problematic" are what?

Thankey.
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joel dranove
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 4:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Facts are inconvenient, sbenois.

jd
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Southorangemom
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 5:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Joel Dranove is a huge fan of Renee Pollack and apparently would believe anything she said, or claimed not to say.
I'm not sure he is a reliable source on this subject.
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joel dranove
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Post Number: 334
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 6:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I am a fan of rational discourse.

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anon
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 6:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I've met Joel Dranove. I doubt he would automatically believe anything anyone said, even himself.
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LibraryLady..
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 6:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Joel and I agree on this one. Aftrer suffering thru years of incompetent principals after Judy Weiss left (Robinson and Robbins) my children finally had a leader at the school in Mrs. Pollack.
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Southorangemom
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 9:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Maybe she was a leader for your child.
I don't feel the same way.

I have yet to see any educational initiatives proposed or implemented by Mrs. Pollack.
I do not see any attempt to reach consensus among staff or students who have different opinions.
I do not know how the education at CHS has improved under her administration.
And many parents whose children are current students at CHS will agree.
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Sauna Queen
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Are we talking about the same person?

1. The same principal who asked a student "are you going to punch me in my f@#@#@ face too." A statement made at a desciplinary hearing to a student, witnessed by several board members.

2. A principal who tells a student that black history month can be celebrated by discussing absentee fathers.

3. A principal who has failed to garner the support and cooperation of her staff.

4. A principal who under her administration, 38 teachers and staff have departed in 1 year.

Is this not enough? I really am very concerned about the willingness of our community to deny the seriousness of the infractions by Renee Pollack.

Is our community that desperate for just any leadership and not quality leadership? Or is it that if she was good for some students and not for others its ok?
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Dave
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
The beat goes on.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
The News Record reports that Pollack said that the teachers got all those students to have that protest. That sure gives the teachers a heck of a lot of credit. If they had that much influence, the kids would be getting all A's.
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N. Bonaparte
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Ms. Pollack, according to the News Record, said the students were "being manipulated by adults on the faculty." This was said in the context of the types of issues that were coming from the students during the protest. I think it's a bit of a stretch to get from that quote and the article that Ms. Pollack said "that the teachers got all those students to have that protest." Not as big as a stretch as others have done here, but I can't communicate with those bigger rubber bands; I can communciate with you Tom.
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sbenois
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Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Quote:

The beat goes on.



Message duly noted.
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mamatamu
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Post Number: 156
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Posted on Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
The best thing about Principal Pollack is that she has acted as a catalyst. Through her ineptitude, she has managed to bring together the frustrated and isolated individuals and galvanize a community united - against her.
Her efforts to censor and cover-up merely backfired and further exposed the corruption.
Finally, a floodlight exposes the mishandlings of the superintendent, the administration and the elected officials.
A new light shines on our children as students and the teachers who educate them.

Those who never liked Ms. Pollack must be grateful to her and her supporters should be disheartened.


Congratulations to Cris Thorne.
I am sure that one day in the not too distance future he will be on the CHS Hall of Fame. Surely, he will be one of the many alumnae to have achieved national prominence.


The events of the past two months only underscore a need for consistent civic participation and vigilance.

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Jeff Markel
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Posted on Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 8:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I'm reposting something that I'd written yesterday in the Education section, because I think it's very important to keep in mind while having this discussion:
I'm not trying to shut down the conversation, but ... however strongly one might feel about her fitness for a particular position, please keep in mind while posting here that Mrs. Pollack is a resident of our community and has been for many years - she is our (collective "we") neighbor and I think has a child who attends CHS.

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