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Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2273
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:13 am: | 
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To the woman whose daughter got run over;
If you don’t have a dog you really shouldn’t bring your kids into the Dog Park. Parker and his pals were racing around playing like maniacs, and your daughter (all of 4 years old) got in the way. I’ve seen 200 lbs men get taken out by the Pack, your daughter didn’t stand a chance. I’m not sure if Parker was the actual dog that stepped on her, but I’m sure he wasn’t entirely innocent. Please stand outside the fence and watch unless you have a dog.
To the woman who got upset because the dogs kept jumping on her;
DO NOT BRING TREATS! If you feed your dog a treat, the other dogs will know. They will Jump, Paw, Climb and bark to get at them. I don’t swim with shrimp in my pockets, don’t go to the dog park with meat in your pants.
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The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 1977
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:26 am: |
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don’t go to the dog park with meat in your pants.
am i the the only one turned on by this? |
Claflin Kennerly
Citizen
Username: 2cents
Post Number: 23
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:27 am: |
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I needed that laugh!!! |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1998
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:54 am: |
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I used to take my dogs to the dog park. I love the way they run around together in almost mad-cap fashion. Then they wear themselves out and break for five minutes, and all of a sudden, one of them starts it again.
But as Brett says: when the pack comes around, you get out of the way. You don't stand in front of them, especially when they're in a turn.
And if you're jogging through there, don't be upset. You'll never keep up with the dogs. |
Wendyn
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Username: Wendyn
Post Number: 2977
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:59 am: |
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Which dog park? I thought Westfield had a minimum age to even go in.
My kids get knocked over when the pugs start chasing each other around the house. I can't imagine letting them into a dog park area. |
kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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I make my five year old sit on the bench outside the park in Livingston. Sometimes I sit with her on the outside and let her older sisters sit on the bench inside the park...even my 12 year old is bewildered by the dogs. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1301
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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Is the Dog Park in Liberty Park?
My 2 year old son got ran over a few weekends ago. I told my wife he got "clipped" but he got full on slammed into.
He was having the time of his life since he loves dogs. He too was running in all directions. Unfortunately he picked the wrong direction to run (into the path of an oncoming pooch) and pow....you know the rest.
He tumbled a couple of times making me even say "holy sh*t!" under my breath as I ran over. He was how I expected to find him. Dirty, bloody and crying his head off...the wind that was in his sails a few seconds earlier was gone. But he was,most importantly, alive.
Many dog owners ran over, the owner of the charging pooch said sorry about 100 times...
I looked at him and said "maybe this isn't he place for you just yet little buddy..."
We went to the duck pond....
My point? I am with you Brett. I knew the risks of allowing my son to run around like that and so should of that woman with her daughter. I just thought the probability of anything happen was low...
What did she expect?
I hope she didn't get mad at you or Packer...
-SLK |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13772
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 1:18 pm: |
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I once ran in the dog park (at Echo Lake). My mistake. Never again. The dogs tried running with me and playing rough with me.
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Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2275
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 2:16 pm: |
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It’s also a problem that some of these kids don’t have dogs. A good example that I saw last week, a dog was playing with a girl and gave her a little nip (Not a bite, just a friendly “How do you do”)
Little girl “Mulligan isn’t playing nice”
Same thing happened to my niece that doesn’t own a dog
Brett’s niece “PARKER BIT ME”
I know that we’re not taming lions out there, but I do know when to take a toy from a dog and when not to. When a dog is riled up, giving kisses is not the best move. Usually they don’t have all four paws on the ground, sometimes they don’t have any. Dogs in motion tent to stay in motion, as do dogs at rest. It’s a dog Park, they’re there to play with dogs, not people.
Oh and it's the new dog park in Ridgewood. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6079
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 3:43 pm: |
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Brett - any updated pictures of Parker? |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 83
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 1:57 pm: |
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Hi All:
Please explain where this dogpark is. Wasn't there supposed to be a new one here in Maplewood? I ran into two women looking for the new dog park in the reservation. Would love to bring my dogs.....
Bajou
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3289
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:08 pm: |
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Oh, Lord, Bajou. What a can of worms you are inadvertently seeking to open!
In a nutshell: There is no dogpark in Maplewood. Some have studied it in great detail and soft proposals were tossed out for one in Memorial Park or near the Pool. There is a rumor that one will be placed in the Reservation in Millburn--I have not seen it confirmed, but it may be true. There is one in Livingston that seems to work well. Not sure of the rules for it.
There are all sorts of debates on MOL about this topic. Meanwhile, Memorial Park continues to be an informal dog run most mornings, especially on weekends--to the great joy of dogs and the chagrin of some residents. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 84
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:20 pm: |
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Hi All:
Please explain where this dogpark is. Wasn't there supposed to be a new one here in Maplewood? I ran into two women looking for the new dog park in the reservation. Would love to bring my dogs.....
Bajou
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catmanjac
Citizen
Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 148
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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On CBS AM (radio) there was a news story about a new dog park opening in the SM reservation. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 718
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:36 pm: |
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My backyard is my dog park..the two of them play with each other..hooray!
nyuk nyuk
Life is easier with small dogs : ) |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3291
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:36 pm: |
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The dogs can chase and kill the deer, solving two problems at once. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 719
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:37 pm: |
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And get rabies and um...carry lyme disease! |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 2:40 pm: |
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Bajou, do a search on MOL for Echo Lake Park, it's in Mountainside/Westfield. I've posted directions numeous times already.
I don't believe you should be in the dog park if you don't have a dog personally. Every time I feed my dog a treat, I get mobbed by dogs and it's VERY hard to shake them. I run with my dog in the dog park fairly regularly with no incident. |
Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1728
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 4:05 pm: |
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Today's Star-Ledger has an article in the Essex County section about the new dog park in the Reservation, which is supposed to open mid-summer. It's going to be located where the deer paddock is. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 86
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 4:08 pm: |
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Dear Alleygater:
Thanks for the directions but I thought they had opened the one in Maplewood. I do know Echo Lake Park and have been there before. I actually own a 90 lbs white shep/akita mix, a maltipoo, and a shiba/bull mix. I work at the Jersey Animal Coalition on the weekends and used to be a regular at the impromptu dog park on the hill in Maplewood. I also have a vet-tech license and have seen some major bite injuries cause by food aggression. Dogs actually will fight over food alot longer and more intense then over a toy.
Enjoy and don't forget to scoop...
Bajou |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 87
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 4:16 pm: |
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Hey Eats...you wrote:
"The dogs can chase and kill the deer, solving two problems at once."
Funny this coming from somebody with your screenname and pic.
What did Bambie do to you..?
Bajou |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3293
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 4:48 pm: |
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Just a cynical sense of humor sometimes.
It's been that type of really bad day. Sorry if I offended you. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 89
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 4:59 pm: |
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Hey Eats...
Did not offend me. Just thought it was funny you having panda boy and eats leaves and then sick them boys on cutie bambie.
hope your day gets better. Mine will in one hour when I can leave the office.
Bajou |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6098
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 5:32 pm: |
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Bayou,
Eats, shoots and leaves is an American saying from somewhere. Mfpark uses it very visually - I always thought it was funny. I hope your day gets better. Mine is insane busy. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 92
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 5:42 pm: |
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Oh I thought the Panda meant "eats his "bamboo" shoots and leaves....LOL
What do you want I am a foreigner....LOL
OOOHHHH next topic...
Foreigners who are not religious, like the vino, and let their dogs run free...friend of foe LOL
Bajou |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3294
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 6:20 pm: |
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A panda walks into a bar wearing a gun belt and a six shooter. He orders a drink and sandwich, finishes his lunch, and pays his bill. As he gets off the barstool, he pulls out the gun and shoots up the ceiling. The bartender stares at him in amazement and asks, "Why did you do that?" In reply, the panda tosses a poorly-punctuated book of animal behavior on the bar, and saunters out the door. The mystified bartender opens to the section on Pandas and reads: Panda Bear--Eats, shoots and leaves.
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catmanjac
Citizen
Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 8:28 pm: |
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...and you have to ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky today?" |
Suzanne Ng
Citizen
Username: Suzanneng
Post Number: 734
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 8:30 pm: |
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"Big Dogs, small dogs will have play space" - Tues 4/25/06, Star Ledger
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1145941185186730.xml& coll=1 |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 723
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 12:48 pm: |
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That is the worst version of the panda joke I have ever heard. |
kmk
Supporter
Username: Kmk
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 1:08 pm: |
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Suzanne,
Thank you for the link.
Here is a silly question...where is (was) the deer paddock?
Will we go west on South Orange Avenue, past Wyoming Ave., past "The Top" and immediatley turn left? The newspaper article mentioned Crest Drive.
Wow - a hose to clean the dog's paws would be great!
It is a win/win sitution because I think that the increased presence of dog park visitors will discourage "cruising" in that part of the reservation as well. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11321
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 1:12 pm: |
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I am happy for all you dog owners, but $500,000 for a dog park? Wow! I hope Corzine didn't read the article and cut the state grant.
And a little history lesson. When we first moved here in 1979 the deer paddock contained deer, the only deer in the Reservation. Kids were harrasing the deer so some rocket scientist decided to let the out. We now have somewhere around 1,000 deer, maybe more, living in SMR. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 93
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Dear Bob:
The deer weren't born into that paddock. They were locked in there by some rocket scientist in the first place and why the heck shouldn't there be deer in SMR!!! I mean a forest is supposed to contain wildlife and yes it swaps over into the residential area but that's the whole point of living in the suburbs. We don't own the place we just rent...
I am in the reservation with my dogs every weekend so take it from me Frontline alone will not help. Your car will be crawling with ticks. All my dogs are frontlined and when i am in the reservation I spray them on top of that with a secondary spray.I can only highly recommend people using tick spray on themselves.
AND A MESSAGE TO ALL YOU NEW PARENTS:
IF YOUR CHILD RUNS THROUGH THE WOODS (OFF THE MAIN PATH)THEN MAKE SURE HE/SHE WEARS APPROPRIATE CLOTHING, TICKSPRAY AND SEARCH THEM ON TOP OF THAT WHEN YOU GET HOME. LYME DECEASE IS VERY PREVALENT IN THE TICKS AT THE SMR. MOSTLY YOU WILL FIND DOG TICKS (BIG AND GREY) WHICH DO NOT CARRY LYME. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT A DEER TICK LOOKS LIKE.
AND TO THE BRAND NEW PARENTS I RECENTLY SAW PLACING THEIR NEWBORN ON THE GRASS TO CHANGE THE DIAPE:
I FIND AT LEAST 2 - 5 TICKS ON MY THREE DOGS (COMBINED)AFTER A WEEKEND IN THE RES. AND MY DOGS HAVE FRONTLINE TREATMENT.
See below a pic of a deer tick. They hide in every crease they can get into. Not only have a had to take lyme test several times but my dog (and other dogs of friends) are lyme positive now.
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Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 94
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 2:09 pm: |
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To KMK:
Yes you pass the "Top" and make the left. You pass by the lookout point and follow the road until you get to the second parkinglot (around a right bend) You will see the fenced in area right there.
Bajou |
Oldstone
Citizen
Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 676
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 2:16 pm: |
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bajou, that's the old deer paddock? if that's where the new dog park is going to be, that's pretty convenient. i was imagining the location to be somewhere deep in the woods. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 96
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
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That is the only deer paddock I know up there. Just be extra careful with the deer ticks. There are a ton of them in that area (well is was a deer paddock) and lyme is not to take lightly. Forget about the fact that your dog can get it but so can you and you can bring a tick home and it could bite another family member that didn't even go anywhere near the dog park.
I spray myself (on the legs), my dogs (even though they are frontlined) and every so often I spray my car.
Anyway it should be great up there and it's about time we got the dogpark. I mean dogowners are people (and taxpayers) too.
By the way ...love your dog picture oldstone.
Here are my three
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 725
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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My advice is do not stop moving...I took a seat on this bench once out on a dock by this grassy field...next thing you know there are 8-12 grass ticks on me..
worst experience...EVER (almost made me want to quit scouts.) |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11328
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 3:50 pm: |
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Bajou, I agree free running deer should be part of the reservation. However, since nobody, not even yours truly, really wants to reintroduce predators such as wolves and mountain lions into the enviornment the population has to be controlled if we want to have a healthy forest (my God that sounds like Bush  that future generations of people, and dogs, can enjoy.
Even you complain about the ticks, which live on deer. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 98
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 5:20 pm: |
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Hey Bob K:
Well wolves and mountain lions would be the natural solution but as you state that is not going to happen. Millburn did a very, very successful culling (which I don't agree with) two years ago and they took way more then a pack of wolves would take in a year. Instead of shooting the deer and wasting the meat the better solution would be birth control. Shooting deer randomly is not as effective because it does not really help to curb the population when you shoot an old female or male that will no longer reproduce and even people like that professional sharpshooter Millburn hired is more likely to hit that age group then a young an alert deer. I will not call him a hunter because that would be an insult to hunters (in my book that's a hired assassin). Anyway I am not complaining about the ticks, I am making people aware of them. Deer carry dog and deer ticks and so does any animal living outside. You can very easily get a tick (the deer or dog kind) in your backyard and the most likely culprit would be a squirrel, a raccoon or a possum, mice and rats carry them too.
If I sound a little harsh I do apologize but I am getting a little "ticked" at people who claim to enjoy the outdoors when they really want a bug free, poison ivy free, annoying wildlife free park.
Bajou
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catmanjac
Citizen
Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 150
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
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Many years ago there was a deer paddock off Valley View Dr (parallel to Cherry Lane) on the other side of South Orange Ave. Valley View Dr is only accessible further north on Cherry Lane at a turnoff called "Oakdale." It used to connect with S.O. Ave, as did Tulip Springs. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11331
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 7:41 pm: |
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Bajou, predators usually take the aged and weak as well. They make easier prey.
I don't know what rules White Buffalo, the company that did the culling, used but I hope they concentrated on breeding animals.
The year after they did the culling I noticed (both in the Res and in our yard) a decrease in the number of deer, but more importantly I saw larger, fatter and healthier animals. One girl in our yard would have been a centerfold in PlayDeer Magazine, if deer had a publishing industry that is.
I may be wrong, but I have always been under the impression that only deer ticks carried Lyme disease. We know several Maplewoodians who have contracted Lyme disease and it ain't fun, especially for kids.
Isn't there a Lyme Disease vacine for dogs? |
catmanjac
Citizen
Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 152
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 7:46 pm: |
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YES, there is a Lyme Disease vaccine for dogs. Ask your Veterinarian. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1786
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
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I'm a bit stupid on the Lyme disease issue. I thought there wasn't a vaccine for Lyme disease. I thought if you got it, you had it for the rest of your life. Is that wrong? |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11336
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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There is no vacine for homo sapiens, but there is, apparently, one for dogs. |
catmanjac
Citizen
Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 153
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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There are three different canine lyme disease vaccines currently in use.
And there is a human one too. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 103
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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Hey Bob K:
You are right, so far only "deer tick" carry Lyme but what I said was that deer are not the only animals which carry the "deer tick".
There are vaccines for humans and canines. Not necessarily 100% effective though and they do have some side effects. Most insurance companies (for both human and pet) do not cover the shots
Unfortunately my shep has lyme and it is not fun. He is going blind due to a weired eye problem, has bad arthritis and regularly has a temperature. Granted he is old but after a 2 to 3 week antibiotic treatment he is always much better for a little while but unfortunately has been diagnosed as chronic by now.
The good news is that a tick needs to stay on for at least 24 hours to transfer enough serum to give somebody lyme so even if you got bit by a deer tick that is infected you can still prevent the transmission of enough serum by checking yourself and your pet. Now remember the deer tick are much smaller then the average dog tick and the deer tick are red unlike the common tick (dog tick) which is dark grey.
Here is the CDC link for further info:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_transmission.htm |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 104
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
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To: Bob K:
White Buffalo did try to focus on breeding animals and they managed to leave a whole bunch of youngsters without moms. And yes, natural enemies focus on the very young and weak which are easier to catch. Wolves and the likes do not care about population control but as you said they care about what they can catch. Weeding out amongst the young and old does keep decease down since the young ones and the old ones are the main carriers of easily transmitable deceases.
What would help in the reservation is if people would stop feeding the deer with apples and cracked corn.
Anyway instead of paying some dude to sit on a tree and shoot deer whose meat is not even consumed (for instance sell it off or donate it to the homeless shelters). Why not pay some other dude to shoot them with birth controll pills and have an effective way of population control.
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Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 105
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:55 pm: |
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By the way an apology to all:
I am horrible at grammar and spelling but please be kind as it is not my first language. Plus I "gots" to type a mile a minute so my boss doesn't catch me on a chat site. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11339
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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Your grammar and spelling are better than mine and English is my first and only language.
I remember reading that the meat from the Millburn culling (I agree it shouldn't be called a hunt) was donated to charities. However, I wonder how many people would eat it, short of those starving to death. I like venison, although I think about four out of five people wouldn't touch it. I think it is illegal to sell wild game, which is a carryover from the days of the "market hunters" who pretty much eliminated a lot of game from NJ. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 112
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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Hi Bob K:
Actually I love venison and I do hope that it went to charity but I was told that that was a PR stunt and that all the deer were cremated.
Venison is a special treat in Austria. It all depends on how it's prepared. |
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