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Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 649
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:52 am: | 
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In 1086, twenty years after William of Normandy conquered England in the Battle of Hastings, he commissioned a survey of his new dominion. This survey is now known as the Doomsday Book. In 1986, on the Doomsday Book's nine-hundredth anniversary, the BBC unveiled a 2.5 million (pounds) updated version. With digitized photos, maps, video, and text – in all, contributions from about a million people – it was expected to stand next to its parchment predecessor as a fundamental piece of scholarship.
And yet the multimedia version is now unusable. Only a few of the custom PCs developed for the project still exist, and its twelve-inch videodiscs are unreadable on any other device. A research project was necessary to salvage the data and store it in a more accessible format. Problem solved? Hardly. No digital format will be readable forever, and preserving this data will be an ongoing task of copying and reformatting to adapt to changing technology.
That’s a lot of fuss when the original Doomsday Book, almost a millennium old, sits well preserved and available to researchers in a Public Record office in London.
Paper, even newsprint, is readable for much longer than a disc. The New York Times Magazine commented on this problem of digital evaporation: “Almost everything today gets recorded, yet almost nothing will survive.”
Future Hype: The Myths of Technology Change
Bob Seidensticker
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1268
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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Why waste time with paper when these last a long time -
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Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1485
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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Sigh.... I suppose we'll have to hear about how Ligeti has a paper phone directory again, and how it's faster to use than a palm pilot.
I wonder what "the message" will be this time? |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 634
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:24 am: |
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I was waiting for you to jump in, Case!!! 
I don't even know what to tell Ligeti anymore. I don't understand his "Reject Technology" theme....especially when he seems to use technology incessantly to post his repetitive threads. |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 650
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:29 am: |
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"...Just because a PC can do something doesn't mean that it's the best tool for the job. A paper calendar, notepad, or address book -- or a cookbook - is still tough to beat." Future Hype: The Myths of Technology Change, Bob Seidensticker
"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done." Andy Rooney
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Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 635
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:32 am: |
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"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done." Andy Rooney
....Like your posts? |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 166
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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Darn Mr. BP .... cutting today aren't we. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1843
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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I like to just call him a luddite and be done with it. |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 651
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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Computer experts around the world are now conceding Ligeti's point that the old photos you stuff into a shoebox in the attic are far more likely to be used in the future than digital files.
Reject the male impulse to gadget up every little aspect of your life in 2006. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1487
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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And here's the delusion popping up right on schedule... with the curious anti-male comments thrown in for good measure. I never thought about that aspect, but it DOES raise some interesting points.
Any thoughts on when we'll hear about his 'army of warriors' or some other typical nonsense?
I have to say, the best part is when he quotes Andy Rooney as his source of expert opinion... makes me wonder about the author of that book, to be honest.
PS - if anyone wants to ask WHO those 'computer experts around the world' might be, go right ahead... if Ligeti stays true to form, he'll ignore the question and start rambling on about some other technology-frustration in his life. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1497
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 4:05 pm: |
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Since this thread seems to have been abandoned by its originator, I thought I'd toss a little blast from the past in (as an example of other 'thread abandonment' experiences)... I guess the SOP is to post for a little while, get verbally bitch-slapped, leave, and then repeat the whole process a month or two later!
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 632
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:27 am:
Shall I sum up our conclusions about new technology?
Very well.
1. SUVs are a needless menace.
2. Cellphones are ruining the sanctity of public space, and don't impress anyone anymore.
3. Bagless vacuums: a giant step backwards.
4. Books and other low-tech reference tools are far superior to the Internet.
5. Free weights provide a more thorough workout than the overdesigned contraptions you see on infomercials.
6. If everyone used a black Manhattan diary, no one would miss or be late for meetings.
7. More on meetings: compulsive laptop clackers are not welcome. Use a lined yellow pad and pencil to take notes or don't bother coming.
8. Blackberry devices are bad for your mental health. Get your work done at the office.
9. Much of high-tech food product packaging causes anguish and/or injury when opening.
10. Don't mistake the tinny, compressed sound you hear in digital files for real music.
11. The more wireless junk we pile on ourselves, the more distracted we become.
12. Automated customer “service”: the sure sign of a society in decline.
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2567
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:49 am:
Perhaps you should say YOUR conclusions. I can't help myself. Someone please stop me...
1. SUVs are a needless menace.
Not needless, but often unnecessary. SUVs are not a menace. People driving them are. If bad drivers didn't have SUVs, they'd still be bad drivers.
2. Cellphones are ruining the sanctity of public space, and don't impress anyone anymore.
Cellphones do not do anything but ring and plays stupid ringtones. PEOPLE are ruining the sancitiy of public space. You seem to be the only person I've ever met who thinks people are so concerned about impressing you that they will make up conversations on their phones.
3. Bagless vacuums: a giant step backwards.
Can't really comment.
4. Books and other low-tech reference tools are far superior to the Internet.
Not always. And what of books on CD (not audio, but digitized books [fiction, non-fiction and reference]) that you can read on your computer?
5. Free weights provide a more thorough workout than the overdesigned contraptions you see on infomercials.
On what do you base this?
6. If everyone used a black Manhattan diary, no one would miss or be late for meetings.
ROFL. Yes, because no one wouled ever forget to check their book. Nothing would ever intefere with making it to a meeting. And being able to check someone's schedule online is a tremendous waste of time.
7. More on meetings: compulsive laptop clackers are not welcome. Use a lined yellow pad and pencil to take notes or don't bother coming.
I actually agree with this (though I prefer white legal pads. Computers are a distraction in a meeting, unless something to be displayed on the computer is the purpose of the meeting.
8. Blackberry devices are bad for your mental health. Get your work done at the office.
Unfortunately, some people's jobs do require that they be accessible outside the normal 9-5 routine. For these people, Blackberries allow them to have a life and not sit in the office waiting for someone to call or email.
9. Much of high-tech food product packaging causes anguish and/or injury when opening.
I've never been assaulted by a potato chip bag, so I can't comment.
10. Don't mistake the tinny, compressed sound you hear in digital files for real music.
I hate to tell you this, but unless you only listen to records, you listen digital files for your music.
11. The more wireless junk we pile on ourselves, the more distracted we become.
Agreed. Not exactly controversial.
12. Automated customer “service”: the sure sign of a society in decline.
Also not exactly controversial. It's just a misnomer. It's not customer service. It's customer distancing.
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 633
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:31 am:
3. You don't vacuum your house?
5. I have large muscles.
8. I agree on the basic need to do work outside the office. But Blackberries enable a kind of "whereever I go, I'm in my office" mentality, which can actually erode productivity, according to my research. And let me frank: most Blackberry pecking is actually just pointless fidgeting, like surfing the Internet when you don't know what else to do.
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2568
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:34 am:
3-I don't personally vacuum my house anymore. Nor do we have a bagless vacuum.
5-And this means what?
8-That is no thte fault of blackberries, but of the people using them.
You often balme technology, when it is the way technology is used that is at fault.
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2569
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 11:34 am:
3-I don't personally vacuum my house anymore. Nor do we have a bagless vacuum.
5-And this means what?
8-That is not the fault of blackberries, but of the people using them.
You often balme technology, when it is the way technology is used that is at fault.
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1261
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:06 pm:
Give him a few hours to respond, Rastro. There will be a diatribe about health club issues, or something equally inane.... he won't have a reasonable answer for the nonsense list, of course.
I hate to pick on you, but Ligeti was correct when he said "our" conclusions. Just because someone is imaginary doesn't mean they don't count! He's referring to himself and his cadre of ghost-technology-warriors.
I shouldn't make comparisons, but at least the Unibomber had the courage of his convictions. HE wasn't spouting nonsense via the Internet - he was actually DOING something to solve a percieved problem!
PS - I have to say... "anguish and injury" from a potato chip bag - I have a clear mental image of this 'struggle' taking place on a small school bus, if you catch my point....
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 832
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 4:20 pm: |
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I <3 my Sony Computer Entertainment System. (Playstation) |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 655
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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btw, Hoops, cuneiform tablets and chisled obelisks may be clumsy vehicles for information storage, but they'll be legible long after our magnetic or optical media have turned into giberish.
This also holds true for my black Manhattan diaries, lined yellow pads and the spiraled notebooks I buy at Drugfair. My information will be available to all for centuries to come.
Reject the here-today-gone-tomorrow stark reality of the digital lifestyle. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 652
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:40 pm: |
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DORK ALERT! |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3932
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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I have a headache. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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All that waiting for the same old nonsense... almost a disappointment, really.
Not a surprise, mind you - I think we all knew what was coming. Though I'm saddened not to be able to read about an army of super-secret agents working to help stamp out technology, though. Those stories are always great!
To be fair, though, he probably missed the part about getting 'verbally bitch-slapped', otherwise I'm confident that I would have received another one of those infamous 'invitations to a gun fight'. Remember those? Classic... |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3061
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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Yes, and perhaps an entire branch of archaeology will be devoted to understanding those notebooks of yours in a so many centuries. Not just archarology, but sociology and psychology. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1319
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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ligeti - I bet you cant even read your own handwriting tho. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1538
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 2:33 pm: |
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Oh God, Hoops.... thanks a bunch. Now we have to hear about Ligeti's handwriting, how it is superior to all forms of modern printing... that he can write longhand faster than a NY Times printing press or a laser printer.
Again, thanks a bunch. (wink wink)
And Rastro, perhaps they can put the Unibomber analysis team on the job? |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 659
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 6:52 am: |
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Too much time on the computer erodes grammar and composition skills. Also the ablility to spell beyond third grade level.
With my lined yellow pad and dictionary system, you could be writing and spelling like an adult in only 5 days! |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 877
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:14 am: |
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You have no idea what you are talking about. |
thoughtful
Citizen
Username: Thoughtful
Post Number: 188
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:20 am: |
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How to account for the sentence fragements, then? |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 661
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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Computer and digital gadget-addicted types have short attention spans. They have difficulty thinking in conventional article-noun-verb-preposition-object terms.
Many express themselves in bursts of primitive, fragmented language. They think spellcheck is cool; we all know it is practically useless.
This weekend, I want everyone to throw all their digital gear into a closet and go for a vigorous walk.
Also, you can read quietly to yourself, beginning with five minute increments of distraction-free, concentrated attention on books or scholarly journals. Don't compulsively check your Blackberry, yak nonsense into your cellphone or IM other digital addicts your American Idol predictions.
FOCUS, people. Reject the hyperdistraction that accompanies the digital lifestyle. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1543
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:01 am: |
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I hope this means we can enjoy a MOL weekend free of nonsense repetitive rants... at least from one source.
Speaking of short attention spans, I wonder why Ligeti never addresses any of the responses to 'his' posts? (By 'his' I'm referring to the cut-and-paste jobs from his latest favorite author).
I'm sure it's not a question of a limited attention span... perhaps it's more of a "nothing to say, so repeat the same thing" situation? |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 879
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:01 am: |
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Can you prove any of your CLAIMS with facts? |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1544
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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Ask his cadre of techno-warriors!
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3086
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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Glock, don't take him seriously. It will only give you an ulcer. He's a troll. If he truly believed what he says, he would not spend time on a message board like this, using a despised computer, connecting to the despised Internet, to communicate inefficiently using a keyboard and impersonally with people he has never met (except Tom R, everyone seems to have met Tom but me). |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1820
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:10 am: |
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I find it odd that you posted this news on an online message board. Wouldn't it have been more efficient to shout it from a street corner while ringing a bell? |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14240
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Rastro, we've got to stop meeting like this.
Ironically, Ligeti owns more than one computer and left one at my house, for me to try to repair. I didn't succeed. Ligeti, come by to pick it up any time, and I'll loan you that book.
If I may speak for him, his message is not to eschew technology unconditionally. Rather, it's that we should not embrace it unconditionally. And one thing seems for sure: he's having more fun pulling your chains than you are by taking him seriously.
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Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1549
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:39 pm: |
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Fun for the feeble minded - I am glad we're making someone's dreary little world a little brighter. His 'message', such as it is, seems to be that yellow pads are the triumph of civilization. I'll leave off commenting on bagless vaccum cleaners and potato chip bags - such serious topics deserve their own thread, I'm sure.
Though I have to say, he was more interesting when he was off his medication and dreaming up fantasy friends (and enemies). Remember the guy at the health club? The one with the red spandex shorts? |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1822
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 4:17 pm: |
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Speaking of technology, I heard an ad on the radio for a prostate screening that I thought was pretty advanced - the digital rectal exam...
And then it hit me - d i g i t a l |
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