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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1042
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 9:43 pm: | 
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Wow, a thread drift about me. Let me say, all of you are correct. Reingold, I enjoy your posts and your opinions. You obviously use this board for different reasons than I do. I tried, as you know, to be reasonably non-partisan when I first joined on after reading the board without posting for a few years. Then I joined the fray and I tried to be articulate and reasonable. However, soon after I made known my conservative bent, I was pummeled. Then, after Bush's re-election, instead of the libs respecting the vote of the citizens, myself and Red America were called every name under the sun. I am no longer the naive poster. The libs don't want to work together, they want their power back. We have the power and don't want to give it up. The battle stage is set. Tom, I'm not all about winning and do care like you do about doing good things in office. Their will always be corruption and conspiracy theories with the majority party. I'd rather my guys be the one's in power. How is that bad? Then again, it is probably hard for a lib to answer because you guys are just learning what it is like to be the minority party. Please Tom, walk in my shoes. For 40some freakin years the Dems controlled Congress and ran it every bit as iron fisted as my boys are. Let you have to put up with this stuff for another 28 years and I guarantee you'll lose that "do good" mantra and you'll just want to win. Besides, my daddy taught me, it doesn't matter how good you are if you aren't in the game. If you don't win elections you may have the best ideas in the world but the only one interested is your dog. That is why I emphasize winning. I truly believe the conservative philosophy is far and away better than the liberal philosophy. I know you believe differently. Elections answer which direction we go. So yes, I want my side to win for all the same reasons you want your side to win.
Dr.,
I can live with vacuous. I absolutely understand your view as you believe in the liberal agenda. But isn't part of the reason you don't like my posts is because you know there is some truth about my view of the political scene. I try to be honest. I've said several times I think Hillary has a chance to win and that the Dems should pick up the House this fall. I don't want either of these things to happen but unlike many liberal posters I can be honest in my political assessment.
SLK and Chris,
Thanks for the props. My posts are not intended to be deep inquisitive theory based dissertations. They are merely a honest look at the political landscape. Most of the MOL crowd is so stuck in blue America and spoon fed by the New York media that they are shocked when they realize they no longer hold the same beliefs as Middle America. That is why I so enjoy their post election shock and dismay. Every two years there little liberal bubble gets popped and the venom spews. And then they go back to creating that bubble all over again. If they don't get back some part of Congress I'm afraid to see what comes out of that bubble this time. Either way I enjoy reading the posts and letting the libs know when they make some pretty outrageous claims. I mean, how many times can this be the end of Rove, Cheney, and Bush? It's a never ending cycle and quite embarrassing for the libs. Have you noticed a huge decline in the number of the normal libs posting. I think many of them are realizing their party is lost and their tired predictions keep haunting them. I wish we had a strong Democratic party. I think once Hillary has her POTUS campaign and loses they will be able to move on and find some new leaders.
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14186
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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There are two types of people in the world: those who divide the world into two types, and those who don't.
I've been upset with most politicians most of my life. I haven't felt like a winner just because "my party" was in office. If I gave in to that viewpoint, I think I'd be dumbing down my point of view. In fact, I'd be giving up my responsibility to reason.
I criticize Democrats just as much as Republicans. You just can't see it now, because Democrats don't currently pose much of a threat. You extrapolate my criticism into praise for "my side" (as if it existed) but you are incorrect in your assumption.
See, you think you've got me figured out, but you show that you know nothing of the essence of my views. It's not simply "red=bad, blue=good". Maybe your view is that simple, and you are welcome to it.
I'm 45 years old. The belief that it's what side of the blue/red line you in that counts is far stronger than before. We used to argue ideas. Now it's a color war. Boring. I don't buy your assertion that it's always been this way.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1379
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 8:42 am: |
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"There are two types of people in the world: those who divide the world into two types, and those who don't..."
Thank you Tom Reingold, thank you my good man. A toast to you hitting the nail on the head....
Now you understand why posters like Alleygater, tulip and RL drive my blood pressure sky high. And because I call them out on their similar simplistic mindset I am a "raging, bigoted, sexist, homphobic, hick, redneck conservative."
-SLK
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2091
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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southerner,
no, it has nothing to do with whether or not your posts are the "truth." of course they're true - you're constantly stating the glaringly obvious. the Republicans won, the Democrats lost, and you love that it frustrates the "libs." I get it. but that adds nothing to the discussion of issues, and as a result your posts are boring.
but now I'm the one who's getting repetitive, so this is it for me on this topic. it's time to go back to skipping your posts. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1385
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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Dr. O'Boogie,
It is amazing how life is so simple sometimes, huh?
BTW, if someone declares they will "skip reading your posts" is that the ultimate MOL snub? Sounds childish to me....
-SLK |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2092
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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it is what it is. who has time to read everything on the board? I skim through, and I don't read every single post. and sometimes I decide to skip based on who the poster is if experience has proven that person doesn't usually have anything to add to the discussion. if that's childish, so be it. you're free to skip over my stuff too if you think it's devoid of worthwhile content.
my feeling is that this is like any other medium. if you want people to pay attention, write something with at least a minimal amount of content, and don't repeat yourself ad nauseum. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3248
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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Oh, for cryin' out loud...
The occurrence of Katrina was not W's fault.
The decisions of North Korea and Iran to develop nuclear weapons was not W's fault.
The finite amount of petroleum, and the locations where it is more plentiful, are not W's fault.
The statistical likelihood that disadvantaged adults will produce disadvantaged children is not W's fault.
The attacks of the janjaweed are not W's fault.
The failure of certain industries and corporations to be honest about financial matters or product safety is not W's fault.
The tendency of Americans to eat a lot of crap and not get enough exercise is not W's fault.
The incredibly unfortunate fact that W's parents decided to procreate is not W's fault.
Et cetera.
But you know what? The guy is POTUS now, and he has to be able to deal with all of these things in a competent, humanistic, responsible way. But he DOESN'T. It appears that he, in fact, CAN'T. The guy can't even speak his native language any better than your average pro ball player. In short, he SUCKS. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1046
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 8:17 pm: |
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Tom,
You and I aren't that different other than our philosophy of government. I think you don't understand me because as you say the Repubs have been in power. Here is my basic simplistic view - elected officials should be allowed to govern because the majority voted for them and want them to. This doesn't mean the minority can't express their view (they always will and always have), but they should respect the election results. There, that is my simplistic view. I think the Republicans should be allowed to push their agenda as should Bush because they were elected by the majority. I felt the same way about Clinton and have stated this on many occassions. A lot of what the Repubs did to him was ridiculous and I did not approve or agree. Of course, the finger wag lie, was all him and kind of like Bush's "Mission Accomplished", it bit him hard on the backside and that wasn't the Repubs doing. As you stated, since we have "known" each other the Repubs have been attacked and the Dems haven't been in a position to be criticized so I look partisan and most libs look like sore losers. I promise if the Dems take the House then I have no problem with them pushing their agenda and doing what Democrats do. If the American people vote them into office then the rowdy minority should let them do their thing and try to unseat them 2 years later. The same if a Dem gets the Presidency. I made similar posts after Corzine was elected. If the voters in NJ elected him then give the guy a fair shot. Unfortunately, the Repubs will copy what the Dems have done to Bush and I must say the Repubs will probably be more ruthless because they are much better organized. This is politics and I understand it, so what can we do. As for me, I love our government process and feel like if a guy gets elected then let him do his thing even if I didn't vote for him.
Dr.,
I have never claimed to "add to the discussion". I only post when a lib makes a whacky claim, which is almost every other post. I also don't get the "I'm skipping your posts" announcement. Is that some sort of theatrical trick? I have been skipping certain posters for a long time but never felt the need to announce it. Who cares who is reading what. And I know you are reading anyway so why make an untrue claim? |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 287
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 9:53 pm: |
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Did you hear something??? I thought I heard somebody type but it was faint like from far, far away... |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1949
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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Quote:Now you understand why posters like Alleygater, tulip and RL drive my blood pressure sky high. And because I call them out on their similar simplistic mindset I am a "raging, bigoted, sexist, homphobic, hick, redneck conservative."
Awww SLicK, that might be the nicest thing you ever said to me. I'm glad to know it's working. Just realize that sometimes you and Southerner (amongst a few others) come off that way.
As for the world being black and white (or red and blue). I understand that it isn't always like that. But it makes it easier sometimes as a starting point to process the world. I often start at a place where things are right and wrong and then adjust my outlook as necessary. Unfortunately when it comes to caring about the disenfranchised, helping out other humans, funding our schools/education properly, no religion in our public schools/education/government, not hating people due to their sexual orientation (tolerance in general), not spying on our own citizens illegally, not torturing people, not prioritizing the "rights" of corporations over the rights of individuals, allowing women to control their own bodies, and very many BIG PICTURE issues, well it's pretty easy to see the Republicans as being CLEARLY wrong. THIS HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH DEMOCRATS. Rather, I see that how things are right now, sorta sucks and we need some kind of change. Preferably a REALLY BIG ONE. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1321
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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- Alleygator! |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1050
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:47 pm: |
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Alley,
Just so you know, no one gets my blood pressure up. I use this board as a break from the real world. It's my version of the Daily Show, and I love all of you posters. I know in the end we all want our nation to be successful we just have differing views of how to get there. If you Dems take over, I suspect you guys will do your best at governing and I'll do my best to unseat you 2 years later. I have never had or currently have hard feelings for anyone on this board. If it wasn't fun I wouldn't keep logging in. And for my friend Hoops (awesome name) I think half of your 1300 posts are the beer mugs when you agree with a fellow lib. I'm going to throw in a few more "I Love This" from time to time just to get my count up. I figure I can catch Reingold if the NY Times goes under and I live another 20 years! |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1986
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:52 pm: |
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Southerner, I'll find your kryptonite eventually, just wait and see.  |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 405
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:55 pm: |
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So in conclusion:
IT IS ALL THE HANGING CHADS FAULT |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 406
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:56 pm: |
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BTW,
Have never met anyone named Chad. You? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1051
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 9:58 pm: |
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Alley,
I wish I had some, maybe I'd be a little more humble. When you have a great job, land and awesome big house, and a boat load of money I made by departing Essex County (I learned in school to buy low, sell high) not a whole lot gets my blood pressure up. Besides, my philosophy currently rules every aspect of government so yeah, the little things don't get to me. And even if you Dems take over, your party has shown itself to be nothing more than Republican light so I can live with that. It would actually be quite entertaining to see the different wings of the DNC go to battle over legislation. Dean's latest quote is just a small preview. Kind of like Clinton's election made Rush a household name, a Demcratic victory in a mid term may be just the thing the Repubs need to get energized in '08. Either way, the true liberal philosophy is all but dead so I'll be happy either way. Hillary needs another pair of NB's because her first pair is so worn running to the right. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 680
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:03 pm: |
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Life is good in the South!!! I got me a big car too!!
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The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1395
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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Alley-
I think I said this in my last post...
"And because I call them out on their similar simplistic mindset..."
Thank you for clearly illustrating that in your last post.
-SLK
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GOP Man
Citizen
Username: Headsup
Post Number: 379
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:23 pm: |
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what's wrong with a simplistic mindset? it's amazing how life is so simple sometimes. but you libs are always trying to make it more complicated. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1997
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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SLicK: honestly, I'm not sure what you are on about. I try to be clear in my posts (although I'm not always successful I'm sure). But seriously, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1398
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:30 pm: |
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Alleygater-
With all due respect, as per Tom Reingold's post, you have a bad habit of dividing the world into two types, "cons bad/libs good"
Quite frankly I find that it cheapens your otherwise intelligent existence. You are obviously educated and although you drive me nuts sometimes and I hardly agree with you on anything, I do respect you.
But I must ask, why do you sell yourself so short? There is alot of posters that do the same and it is very frustrating.
Peace.
-SLK |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 436
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 8:28 pm: |
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So are we going to say next, Is ANYTHING not President Jeb Bush's fault? |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2005
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:54 am: |
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SLicK: I explained up above that seeing certain issues as Black and White is a fine starting point, I find, for most issues. I do understand that MOST of the world isn't so cut and dry. But this approach has worked for me in the past. I don't see myself as selling myself short. Rather I see your outlook as selling the world short.
I am college educated but that doesn't mean I am smart. In fact, when it comes to politics I would say that I am fairly illiterate, and I see MOL as where I go to get educated. Having said that, I think that certain core issues have been made up for me. I can't imagine any amount of debate or education is going to make me stop caring for people who are less fortunate than myself. Or that I will suddenly be willing to accept tax cuts in favor of reduced education spending or medicare or family planning offices, or social services in general, or want to drill for oil in preserved wilderness. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3262
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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FvF, I directly answered your original question, but it was in the middle of some other "drifty" exchanges. Are you satisfied that we left-wingers don't literally blame Bush for everything, but do hold him responsible for capably dealing with issues of national importance? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3117
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:48 am: |
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Notehead, you don't really expect an answer, do you? The point of the thread was to elicit controversy. To get into an argument. It had nothing to do with actually getting an answer to that question... but you knew that already, I'm sure. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3269
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 2:08 pm: |
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Yeah, you're right. I was just flushing him out. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 464
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 7:38 pm: |
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Notehead- So smug. Why do you assume I am a Bush supporter? You apparently have read few of my posts.
Rastro- You love to argue, I just indulged your predilections. How can I be blamed? |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3283
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:56 pm: |
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Why do you assume I assume you are a Bush supporter? I'm just stating my own opinion about the man. I do read your posts, by the way. You're not on my "skip" list so far.  |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 474
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 5:37 pm: |
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notehead-
To quote Sally Field, "You like me, you actually like me ! ". |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1683
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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Wow.... talk about your ironic posts, huh? |
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